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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:26:00 -
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Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3210
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:30:00 -
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It's fun, though. |
Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2158
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:34:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:It's fun, though.
its more fun in every other scout suit and by fun i mean more effective (im assuming you mean novaknives...)
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Riruodo
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:35:00 -
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I don't like how they look... (T-T )
My other car is Utena
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2343
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:36:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so AND while having a lower profile!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed
this from the jackass who managed to somehow get behind me each time I was killed in the same match except once. Yeah, Min scouts are under-performing.
My ass.
Ran out of ammo on the HMG, because little bastards move to fast to track, and he comes running up to me with knives, and I finally got the satisfaction of killing him by punching his ass to death.
Then promptly ate a drive-by from his buddy (the one time)
That was the most satisfying melee kill I have ever had, and it took like seven deaths to gank the little opportunist since he'd wait till I was already engaged. Good way to do it, but yeah.
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:37:00 -
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I think the min scout needs a pg buff. Hell, I thought we were getting one in charlie. Min scouts are supposed to be the masters of speed, right? Well, how are we ment to be speedy if kincats are so pg heavy and min scouts have the least pg of any scout?! I say buff the min scout's pg or reduce the pg requirement of kincats, maybe cost less pg but more cpu? You know, even it out a bit? I'd also like to see a hp buff, maybe 20 extra shield? Or an increased base speed? Or a bigger hacking bonus. Something!!!
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2159
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:38:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so AND while having a lower profile!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed this from the jackass who managed to somehow get behind me each time I was killed in the same match except once. Yeah, Min scouts are under-performing. My ass. Ran out of ammo on the HMG, because little bastards move to fast to track, and he comes running up to me with knives, and I finally got the satisfaction of killing him by punching his ass to death. Then promptly ate a drive-by from his buddy (the one time) That was the most satisfying melee kill I have ever had.
if you think thats bad imagin what i would of been like running at 1m more a second with twice the HP WITH F45/remote explosives to boot!!!!! because thats the difference between the minmatar and the gallente proto scouts.
me and snuggles were dieing laughing when he rolled over you right after, the only thing i could manage to say was "worth it" and then i couldnt stop laughing for a bit
yes i actually moved you into position for the driveby
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Cody Sietz
Evzones Public.Disorder.
3919
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:40:00 -
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Have you tried running it as a GalScout would?
1 damp, 1 amp and whatever last mod you want?
Throw in a precision mods and 1 shield extender and it shouldn't be awful. I've seen you kick ass with it, hacking and mirdering the crap outta people on a point.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2346
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:40:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so AND while having a lower profile!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed this from the jackass who managed to somehow get behind me each time I was killed in the same match except once. Yeah, Min scouts are under-performing. My ass. Ran out of ammo on the HMG, because little bastards move to fast to track, and he comes running up to me with knives, and I finally got the satisfaction of killing him by punching his ass to death. Then promptly ate a drive-by from his buddy (the one time) That was the most satisfying melee kill I have ever had. if you think thats bad imagin what i would of been like running at 1m more a second with twice the HP :P me and snuggles were dieing laughing when he rolled over you right after, the only thing i could manage to say was "worth it" and then i couldnt stop laughing for a bit the punch was a hail mary because I was out of ammo on both the HMG and SMG. I can't believe it connected.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2159
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:46:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Have you tried running it as a GalScout would?
1 damp, 1 amp and whatever last mod you want?
Throw in a precision mods and 1 shield extender and it shouldn't be awful. I've seen you kick ass with it, hacking and mirdering the crap outta people on a point.
yes i can do devistating things with my scout suit
but im handycapped in every way while i do so. when im up against other top tier players it just isnt up to snuff and every other suit suit out performs it by such a wide margin that its not even funny.
gallente is a better hacker because it can achieve the same hacking speeds with more HP and more EWAR simultaniously so even in a competitive game where my goal would be hacking focused the gal scout would perform better.
everything the minmatar scout can do, every other scout does better.
in short ive been handycapping myself all this time... im ******* specing gallente
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2159
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:47:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so AND while having a lower profile!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed this from the jackass who managed to somehow get behind me each time I was killed in the same match except once. Yeah, Min scouts are under-performing. My ass. Ran out of ammo on the HMG, because little bastards move to fast to track, and he comes running up to me with knives, and I finally got the satisfaction of killing him by punching his ass to death. Then promptly ate a drive-by from his buddy (the one time) That was the most satisfying melee kill I have ever had. if you think thats bad imagin what i would of been like running at 1m more a second with twice the HP :P me and snuggles were dieing laughing when he rolled over you right after, the only thing i could manage to say was "worth it" and then i couldnt stop laughing for a bit the punch was a hail mary because I was out of ammo on both the HMG and SMG. I can't believe it connected.
the LAV was my hail mary...
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Pvt Numnutz
Prophets of the Velocirapture
1844
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:49:00 -
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Duck tape warriors
Master Skyshark rider
Kaalaka dakka tamer
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4552
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:50:00 -
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Weren't you just telling us how OP it was?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2331713#post2331713
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2159
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:52:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Weren't you just telling us how OP it was?
novaknives and minmatar scout suits arnt the same thing :P
it was also a satire thread :P
high scores in a pub match dont make something overpowered or not... i can get high scores with a damn frontline fit in the right games
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2203
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:19:00 -
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All it needs is the ability to avoid all passives with one damp and a cloak--thats it
It'll be so good it'll actually make NK's useful in a PC setting, and hacking fits viable
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2162
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:21:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:All it needs is the ability to avoid all passives with one damp and a cloak--thats it
It'll be so good it'll actually make NK's useful in a PC setting, and hacking fits viable
the other scouts would STILL be better
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3591
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:39:00 -
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I think you have been spoiled by Gallente too long.
I love the suit. I don't care that it is harder to fit, I can fit more on now than I had previously.
I can dampen now, and knife people. I hack the crap out of things. Its great!
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2162
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:42:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:I think you have been spoiled by Gallente too long.
I love the suit. I don't care that it is harder to fit, I can fit more on now than I had previously.
I can dampen now, and knife people. I hack the crap out of things. Its great!
i dont have any points in any dropsuits that arnt minmatar as of right now.
im changing that with this event SP because the minmatar suits are holding me back
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
416
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:11:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I think you have been spoiled by Gallente too long.
I love the suit. I don't care that it is harder to fit, I can fit more on now than I had previously.
I can dampen now, and knife people. I hack the crap out of things. Its great! i dont have any points in any dropsuits that arnt minmatar as of right now. im changing that with this event SP because the minmatar suits are holding me back
Matar/gal scouts >> caldari/amarr scouts.
Matar scout is now in good spot. With damps and cloak it can go under 15db scans ans still hack thing in few seconds.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2166
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:16:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:I think you have been spoiled by Gallente too long.
I love the suit. I don't care that it is harder to fit, I can fit more on now than I had previously.
I can dampen now, and knife people. I hack the crap out of things. Its great! i dont have any points in any dropsuits that arnt minmatar as of right now. im changing that with this event SP because the minmatar suits are holding me back Matar/gal scouts >> caldari/amarr scouts. Matar scout is now in good spot. With damps and cloak it can go under 15db scans ans still hack thing in few seconds.
the problem is that both amaar and gallente are better at hacking then the matari scout....
with gallente coming out on top due to being able to avoid scans while keeping a high hacking speed, and amaar being good for detecting aproching threats while hacking AND maintaining a good hacking speed.
the difference in hacking speed between the matari scout and teh other scouts is only equivilant to a single complex hack mod, and after 2 modules the added effect is minmal anyways, so a gallente scout with 3 hack modules a damp and 2 complex shields is not only more survivable and more hidden from scans, but it also has the same hacking speed as a 1x damp hack matari scout while maintaining more HP and a lower DB
the amaar scout is similar in that i can achieve the same hacking result trading some dampening for more precision alowing it to see aproching threats more easily while hacking at the same speed as the martari scout if it carries 3x hack mods 1 dmp and 2 extenders, ALSO while having more HP then the matari scout.
Minmatar is Winmatar
Creed of the Minja - "I'm a leaf on the wind"
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OZAROW
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
1516
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:07:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so AND while having a lower profile!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed Dunno bro try 3 shield complex reactive and two shield regulators I like that
Yes, you just got rocked by a guy with a BOLT PISTOL and a pair of knives! !
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RedPencil
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
80
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Posted - 2014.08.28 05:37:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Weren't you just telling us how OP it was? novaknives and minmatar scout suits arnt the same thing :P it was also a satire thread :P high scores in a pub match dont make something overpowered or not... i can get high scores with a damn frontline fit in the right games
NK come in pair with most minja. So the bad reputation that you made on NK affect ninja as well.
No doube, othe scouts are out perform min. Here is Charlie ewae table from CCP Rattati.
conclude: - Proto Gal without presision module can pick up all Min no damp. - 2 damp + proto cloak is a minimum for Min to evade Amarr passive scan. (So STD or ADV Min is dead) - 2 damp + proto cloak for Gal or Cal scout to evade any passive or focus scan. (profile below 14.5 dB) - Min need 3 damps + proto cloak to get below 14.5 dB (Used all 3 low slots) - Min with 3 damps has Sprint Speed 8.31 m/s and Hack Speed Factor 1.72 - Gal with 2 damps + code + kin has Sprint Speed 9.02 m/s and Hack Speed Factor 1.64 (better go to option)
NK is a one little thing that we can do better than other. (And then you flame NK in forum, WTF!).
Beware paper cut M[;..;]M
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Dreis Shadowweaver
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
85
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Posted - 2014.08.28 07:45:00 -
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The Min scout is obviously not ment for EWAR, so I don't even bother with it. My lows are for kincats and codebreakers and my highs are for shield. If I stack kincats, the Min scout is the fastest suit in the game. If I stack codebreakers, the Min scout becomes the fastest hacker in the game. Knives on a Min scout do more damage with them than any other scout can. The Min scout is the best at a lot of things, but EWAR isn't one of them. If I were you, I'd stop trying to make the Min scout into something it's not ment to be, because it exceeds in other areas. Besides, EWAR's overrated.
Well, I once meleed an R.E....
I've only ever known 1.8...
Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3
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A Cactuar
Trollolol .inc
3
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:34:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so AND while having a lower profile!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed
I've had adv Gallente, proto Caldari, proto Minmatar, and adv Amarr.
Never have I had more fun, and more satisfying gameplay than in the Minmatar.
Kind Regards
Chunky Munkey
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
1117
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:38:00 -
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I've said this before: min scout needs to have a stealth bonus when NK is equiped so that you are not picked on passive by every other scout and their grandma while trying sneak up on ppl with a knife. Of course, to make ti fair there should be like 10-20 sec cooldown where you don't gain stealth bonus right after u switch to KN.
PLC, NK, Scout - before 1.8.
That's right, I stack that OP Sh!t.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1196
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:34:00 -
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It's a tricky one, and I'm not sure what the fix to Min Scouts could be.. I use it as my primary suit because I'm one of the idiots here that enjoys challenging gameplay
Like Ghost states.. all of the other scouts fit better than a Matari Scout.. We have the hack bonus and the knife bonus both useful but when a 200k suit is one shotted everytime It gets pretty tiring trying to compete with 400+ shield cal scouts, then 400+ Armour Scouts.. Thats my main issue the others out tank it by a 100 hp too easily, leaving the poor slaves behind
CCP, I'm not asking for buffs to Mk.0... I want you to balance scouts for all races The Matari is weakest, low HP and not worth a thing if you tank it... A scout having 500 ehp should be max tank.. allowing Cal to exceed 600 via dual tanking And the Amarr or Gal can make the Cal look weak in comparison, it's not healthy for the game Sadly, the best option for a Min Scout, is to spec into another scout ... QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ As anything we can do they can do better, Knife bonus LOL dat scannable Scout with knives is EPIC! The knives are good, but don't mean much when you spend a round fighting shotgunners who can scan down your every move and drop you from about 10 meters away from your knives...
CCP, allowing the players to play how they want is fine, but most just abuse that Its long overdue that light suits became light suits and the lite-slayers can go abuse the next suit
Well if you can wade through my rant, good on ya have a nice day
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1196
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:40:00 -
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Note : The Mk.0 base speed makes it ideal for stomping the primitive public battles In PC where the teams are co-ordinating and holding down defence the Min Scout fails In comparison to the other 3.. like when being asked to ring for a PC battlle, they need a Scout
The Minja X's up, the team he's stepping into all cringe and quickly PM real scouts to get **** done As the MinScout can't provide the required E-war or slaying power to match the other scouts
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Mejt0
Made in Poland... E-R-A
417
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:06:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:Note : The Mk.0 base speed makes it ideal for stomping the primitive public battles In PC where the teams are co-ordinating and holding down defence the Min Scout fails In comparison to the other 3.. like when being asked to ring for a PC battlle, they need a Scout
The Minja X's up, the team he's stepping into all cringe and quickly PM real scouts to get **** done As the MinScout can't provide the required E-war or slaying power to match the other scouts
Min scout is more useful than gal/cal in PC.
Matar have hack, speed, and if needed it can damp. Add to that OHK NK strikes.
Gal with codebreaker and kincat have no regen.
Caldari is killed as easy as matar. 400shields is still 1 charged ScR shoot.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1197
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:07:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:TheD1CK wrote:Note : The Mk.0 base speed makes it ideal for stomping the primitive public battles In PC where the teams are co-ordinating and holding down defence the Min Scout fails In comparison to the other 3.. like when being asked to ring for a PC battlle, they need a Scout
The Minja X's up, the team he's stepping into all cringe and quickly PM real scouts to get **** done As the MinScout can't provide the required E-war or slaying power to match the other scouts Min scout is more useful than gal/cal in PC. Matar have hack, speed, and if needed it can damp. Add to that OHK NK strikes. Gal with codebreaker and kincat have no regen. Caldari is killed as easy as matar. 400shields is still 1 charged ScR shoot.
It has it's uses as I said in my first post, I just feel that all scouts should be brought down to 500hp (max) Rather than the Slayer fits that are used often.. The Gal Scout defeats the Matari too easily.. Any fit a Matari can make the gal can equal if not beat it, in terms of (hack/speed/HP) the only bonus is that the Min can knife which is good but your up against Sentinel/Shotgun spam so knives aren't going to win many engagements like that, as I said I am lost as how to 'fix' scouts..
The Cal is not what it was but certainly a more viable combat fit that the Matari Speed is good but in scouting in PC Ewar is better...
hence my Mk.0 running 3 damps on anything other than run like a mofo link fits
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
6764
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:01:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Ive tried CCP, ive tried so hard to make this suit in any way competitive.
it just simply doesnt have the PG to compete with any other scout suit even in its own nieche roles!
gallente scouts are better hackers being able to obtain VERY similar hacking speeds while retaining nearly double the HP while doing so AND while having a lower profile!
now that novaknives finally work the extra damage from the min scout bonus end up overkill in almost every single situation.
its just a terrible suit... and nothing i can do can redeem it ive tried nearly every combination of modules and builds i can think of but every other scout simply out performs in every way for every role.
im just very very very disapointed
Stop trying to take the city by storm.
Minmatar scout is hands down the best suit for attacking homepoint.
I main a Minmatar scout and handle myself well in PC, try this suit for attacking Homepoint
Min Scout MK.0 1x Complex Shield 1x Enhanced Shield 1x Basic Shield (It's the most efficient way to get shields for PG)
Six Kin ACR Proto Knives
N-11/A Flux Links Proto Cloak Basic Flux
1x Complex Codebreaker 2x Complex Dampener
Set down links outside of objective, sneak in with dampening. Kill target with Knives, cap objective super fast and DEFEND.
You are faster than the 2x Codebreaker Gal Scout, and also have more regen due to your main tank. Knives are great for assassinations and the better strafe makes you great at range with the ACR.
It works, trust me.
FA's Stabber Extraordinaire
Minmatar Enthusiast
Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
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