its not the game, people are clearly cheating in this game. CCP would fix the issue if there was one, but according to them there is nothing wrong, so why else would the red team not take damage?

Lag is the answer, but then why oh why doesn't "lag" not effect them? The damage they deal hits me no issues, and yet the red team seems impervious.

Cheaters, cheating. That is the issue here.

Hit detection in this game has always been wonky, nobody is cheating.

Grow up.

It can't be fixed, hit detection is directly related to lag, which also can't be fixed, only treated.

In my experience, people that tell other people to grow up tend to be the most childish; not that I'm calling you childish.

In my experience people that call others cheaters without proof or understanding are the very avatar of immaturity.

its not the game, people are clearly cheating in this game. CCP would fix the issue if there was one, but according to them there is nothing wrong, so why else would the red team not take damage?

Lag is the answer, but then why oh why doesn't "lag" not effect them? The damage they deal hits me no issues, and yet the red team seems impervious.

Cheaters, cheating. That is the issue here.

Want to as i have allot of PC FPS experience, they also do it because they think they are some kind of FPS God and in no way can they be beaten in a fight, when they do get their *ss handed to them, its either one of these things

-He was lagging
-You were lagging
-His PC froze
-He wasn't serious, but now is

10 minutes into the game

-You are cheating
-You don't take damage, he had a shotgun in cqc, you had a sniper rifle
-You have a nice aimbot
-Using that weapon is cheap
-Using grenades is cheap, while he is allowed to use em
-Using a sniper rifle is cheap, while he also tries it but fails

At this point he will start broadcasting in worldchat about your cheating & hacks and get laughed at by team who previously
beat your *ss into the ground that they just won in a fair fight with you

-He is now asking where he could get the same cheat/aimbot combo because it would compliment his already great skills
-Rage Quits the game

Now, the next day you encounter this dude, you will be in so much hurt that it isnt funny

-He will kill your entire team in 4 headshots, regardless of your buddies position to him
-He will at all times be waiting for you around a corner
-After 20 kills, it's all still headshots
-He will Message you about how he was just messing with you the day before and was not playing serious
-He will message now that this is his actual skill

Few days pass, you encounter the dude, his "skills" keeps getting better, then he gets banned

-He will then make a new account and pm you and wonder why he got banned
-He will then pm you why you did not get banned, cuzz he like knows you where cheating
-He insists to know what your hack is, for information purposes

Fun times starts if you again meet his new character in a match and the cycle restarts until he rage quits, most
hardcore cheaters are born this way.

PS; True story from a guy i played against in APB Reloaded ^^

APB was a terrible game and the VIP mission was just bad as they would always hide up on roofs and camp the ladders, that game was also rife with hacks and the "gold guns" were OP as all hell and on breifcase missions they would just leave it as bait and gun people down as they try to get up that elaborate way they did to place it precariously on a fence which basically gave them guaranteed win.. its not a true shooter if you want that play CS where the real pros play

lag switches
disrupts in-flow of data but keeps the out flow so it wont register taken hits but the system will register the bullets spewed out

if they were also caldari scout they were 1, useing a suit with a bugged hitbox and 2, useing the super scout speed to strafe hard and avoid your shots

i think there is a hidden timer for when people are "lagging out" before they are kicked from a match so its probably used in short duration...

OR they are just scouts who strafe like a little B****

lag switches
disrupts in-flow of data but keeps the out flow so it wont register taken hits but the system will register the bullets spewed out

if they were also caldari scout they were 1, useing a suit with a bugged hitbox and 2, useing the super scout speed to strafe hard and avoid your shots

i think there is a hidden timer for when people are "lagging out" before they are kicked from a match so its probably used in short duration...

OR they are just scouts who strafe like a little B****

its not the game, people are clearly cheating in this game. CCP would fix the issue if there was one, but according to them there is nothing wrong, so why else would the red team not take damage?

Lag is the answer, but then why oh why doesn't "lag" not effect them? The damage they deal hits me no issues, and yet the red team seems impervious.

Cheaters, cheating. That is the issue here.

i dont get how people think their gun dosnt hit what u shot at asde from a forge gun or rail turret from time to time, my buttlet alwayz hit what i shoot every time except when i use those two fore-mentioned weapons. may u guys just lag but i dont see any problem with hit detection ever, and yeah you cant lag switch in this game.

Yep and this is the kind of crap that is going to happen to legion.
Its far less likely on a console system like the playstation with how the firmware is locked down.

Yes this will be a known problem that people should be wondering now , " How this will be dealt with ? " .. seeing as how this will be kind of unavoidable . PC is the stomping grounds for this type of behavior but I guess since they don't see it rampant in EVE game play ( I guess it isn't ) but legion will be a different game all together as far as mechanics between the two , so it might not be an issue until it happens .

It's should be talked about and thought over though while it's early and not waiting until it becomes an issue .

Hell , hit detection is an issue with this game and I was just wondering why but once ported to the PC this game and that experience will reach new heights .

I'm just wondering why it is an issue ( in Dust ) if it's a known problem and what , if anything could be done about it ?

Edit : I'm not talking about or saying that there is and who is cheating , I'm talking about hit detection and the problem that it is but cheating is a problem that I do see talked about .

How it works and the mechanics are unknown to me so I wouldn't know if it was done to me besides the spamming of a turbo or how people spam needles and kills but don't get booted automatically after a certain amount of kills but you could get banned for shooting a converted vehicle .

I would just like to know what could or if anything could be done about hit detection .

If Legion is Monthly pay like EvE there won't be so many crappy players cheating. But that means that Legion should be like a perfect game and everyone knows that is not gonna happen.

What i find funny when i start playing Defiance when becomes free. I haven't experience hit detection and you have an open world with public events like everywhere where in some you can find like 60 players shooting and nothing of that.

i'm beginning to think people are cheating too. if the player kill screen is correct i have died some bull s**t deaths. killed from 7m away from nova knife, did he throw them? basic forge gun instant killing my tank dealing over 7000 damage. basic nades also instant killing me in heavy suit doing 3x the amount of damage. just a few. and i don't get why the lag never effects the other team. seems to always favor the same people.

I have noticed that the hit detection is not just on those weapons it affects pretty much every weapon, the sniper is much more noticeable due to having a clearer idea of whether you are on target combined with more time post failed shot.

i.e when my hmg suffers a hit detection issue it's usually against another heavy or a shotty scout and i die within seconds.. easy to mistake it for bad aim etc.

my prof 5 boundless hmg goes down real fast to guys just using the basic hmg. scouts run head on into my gun fire all the time taking no damage. hit detection always seems to work on me, i feel every bullet and die easy.

David you just summed it up and you make it sound so simple but I still just don't understand it .

You have people that will swear up and down that there is nothing going on ... as a result of your example ( Which I agree with . ) and tell you that your having the problem because their not experiencing the same thing and it must be you .

Am I to assume that these re the same type of people who are exploiting this same practice , you know .. the one's who can spam SR rounds faster than a pro using a CR ?

I'm just so confused and I agree with you and I'm thankful that you make it sound so simple so that others could understand ... but I'm still confused .

I guess I should just follow my mind and be like those who are likeminded , such as yourself and follow that answer and just not let it get to me when that crap happens .