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iliel
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.08.26 03:14:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:You need all profile affecting skills to 5 (scout+dampening), 2 complex dampeners and a proto cloak on to get underneath gal. logi scanners. If you just alter only 1 part of it like downgrading the cloak to a advanced or run only 1 complex and 1 advanced dampener you will be scanned. Gal. Logis with scanners have no mercy in that aspect. Trust me on it cause im one. Oh yeah this goes for gal+cal scouts all other scouts need to get like 3 dampeners+proto cloak on.
not sure to whom this is responding, but i have all these at 5. I'm more concerned about the min scout in this post - - i've reconciled my issues with the changes to the caldari  . |
Cody Sietz
Evzones
Public.Disorder.
3917
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Posted - 2014.08.26 05:08:00 -
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iliel wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:iliel wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:iliel wrote:Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives).
All in favor, say I. You do know the Amarr has the highest bonus to precision...right? What's with all the Gallente hate. Gal's bonus literally makes the min scout and only the min scout useless in competitive play. Without the precision bonus, both min and gal would be invisible to each other - - then it's just nova knife v. shotgun; not scanning sg v. blind nova knife. Two dampeners puts you below any possible gal scout scan. no it doesn't: gal has 21, I have 23.7?
The Gal bonus brings it to 31.5.
1 precision mod brings it to roughly 23 ish and 2 brings it to 19 ish...
The Minmatar scout goes to 23 ish with 1 damp and 18 ish with 2 damps.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
9162
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Posted - 2014.08.26 06:26:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:iliel wrote:Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives).
All in favor, say I. I and many others hate shotguns and would never have gone near the gal scout if it wasted a bonus on shotguns. Swapping out the current gal bonuses for shotguns would be like stealth nerfing the min scout knife bonus and giving a mass driver bonus or something instead. So no. get rid of my knife bonus and give me EWAR and ill be happy
/silently stabs him from behind
/pulls the dead clone body into the shadows
/starts to eat it
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Ryme Intrinseca
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Posted - 2014.08.26 07:18:00 -
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iliel wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:iliel wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:iliel wrote:Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives).
All in favor, say I. You do know the Amarr has the highest bonus to precision...right? What's with all the Gallente hate. Gal's bonus literally makes the min scout and only the min scout useless in competitive play. Without the precision bonus, both min and gal would be invisible to each other - - then it's just nova knife v. shotgun; not scanning sg v. blind nova knife. Two dampeners puts you below any possible gal scout scan. no it doesn't: gal has 21, I have 23.7?
2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile
2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision.
So there you go, there was never a problem after all. |
Haerr
Legio DXIV
1251
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Posted - 2014.08.26 07:37:00 -
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HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:Thank you, management. All we need to do now is to wait for the call. |
Kyr Kitar
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2014.08.26 08:03:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Sure, you can have my GalScout's precision. However, I'd like an RoF increase bonus to shotguns in return.
I'd say a RoF bonus that makes the regular shotgun a burst shotgun with 3 shots at once when I tap r1.
:D |
Francois Sanchez
What The French
Red Whines.
91
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Posted - 2014.08.26 08:13:00 -
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Damn guys use dampeners on your Min scouts and that's it. Btw, if you don't use damps, any scout can scan you with one precision enhancer. I can't count the number of Minjas I knife with my own Minja because they don't use the suit right. |
sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
376
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Posted - 2014.08.26 09:33:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:iliel wrote:Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives).
All in favor, say I. gallente scout does not have a bonus to precision
Gallente was given a precision bonus in hotfix Charlie.
Desperate attempt to get BPOs
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
2316
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Posted - 2014.08.26 10:27:00 -
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Scouts are yard trash.
Remove these parasitic creatures with a solid mass driver bath. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3190
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Posted - 2014.08.26 12:00:00 -
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As a proto Gallente Scout, i will tell you that precision alone is utterly useless :D |
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Mejt0
Made in Poland...
E-R-A
413
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Posted - 2014.08.26 15:32:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:As a proto Gallente Scout, i will tell you that precision alone is utterly useless :D
Maybe but it does work atleast.
Caldari scout range bonus doesnt work.
Caldari Loyalist
Markiplier fan.
Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2182
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Posted - 2014.08.26 15:36:00 -
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Min scouts have always been the most OP in the game, its only fair that they have to sacrifice all their speed and hacking abilities for the ability to remain under radar cause they obviously sacrifice nothing else 
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
315
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:48:00 -
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I said before charlie rhat minscouts should have a dampening bonus especially since the amscout scan bonus.
Why?
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
315
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Posted - 2014.08.26 16:52:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:You need all profile affecting skills to 5 (scout+dampening), 2 complex dampeners and a proto cloak on to get underneath gal. logi scanners. If you just alter only 1 part of it like downgrading the cloak to a advanced or run only 1 complex and 1 advanced dampener you will be scanned. Gal. Logis with scanners have no mercy in that aspect. Trust me on it cause im one. Oh yeah this goes for gal+cal scouts all other scouts need to get like 3 dampeners+proto cloak on.
Um or i could just use 3 cplx damps and an adv cloak but what do i know i hardly ever get scanned.
Why?
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
133
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Posted - 2014.08.26 18:19:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile
2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision.
So there you go, there was never a problem after all.
Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers. How the heck was I on permascan by a Gal scout then? I run two damps and a kin cat. I guess he had an amarr scout with him - - but it seems unlikely. And I didn't get the scan warning, so it wasn't an active scanner. Anyhow, I'll try the suit again later. Very frustrating. |
Death Shadow117
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
315
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Posted - 2014.08.26 18:47:00 -
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iliel wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile
2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision.
So there you go, there was never a problem after all.
Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers. How the heck was I on permascan by a Gal scout then? I run two damps and a kin cat. I guess he had an amarr scout with him - - but it seems unlikely. And I didn't get the scan warning, so it wasn't an active scanner. Anyhow, I'll try the suit again later. Very frustrating.
Were you not using cplx damps?
Why?
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
341
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:38:00 -
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Throw on some precision enhancers, then bait the overconfident scout into a more advantageous situation for you. Just because the enemy knows where you are, doesn't mean you can't use that against them(so long as you know where they are as well). Adjust your playstyle & fits to the situation, the Min scout is just fine as is. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3547
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:48:00 -
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iliel wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile
2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision.
So there you go, there was never a problem after all.
Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers. How the heck was I on permascan by a Gal scout then? I run two damps and a kin cat. I guess he had an amarr scout with him - - but it seems unlikely. And I didn't get the scan warning, so it wasn't an active scanner. Anyhow, I'll try the suit again later. Very frustrating.
While I have disagreed with your approach I am glad to see someone who is willing to accept reason and be proven wrong.
+1 to you.
It is also a good way for people to take your feedback more seriously in the future, because at least we know we can have a reasonable discussion with you.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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DozersMouse XIII
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
875
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:07:00 -
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iliel wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile
2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision.
So there you go, there was never a problem after all.
Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers. How the heck was I on permascan by a Gal scout then? I run two damps and a kin cat. I guess he had an amarr scout with him - - but it seems unlikely. And I didn't get the scan warning, so it wasn't an active scanner. Anyhow, I'll try the suit again later. Very frustrating.
was there a cal scout about?
it's squishy as hell but when I run my cal I run 4 comp precision and pick up dual damped gals (uncloaked)
M.A.G. Platinum trophy holder
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
259
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:15:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:iliel wrote:Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives).
All in favor, say I. gallente scout does not have a bonus to precision Umm it kinda... does.
Its range and dampening for gal scout not precision |
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Zindorak
1.U.P
680
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:16:00 -
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Well atleast u can hide from it if you use all your lows
Pokemon master!
CCP undo ScP nerf. It hurt my feering very bad
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
259
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:17:00 -
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iliel wrote:Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives).
All in favor, say I.
First it range and dampening not precision, second with max ewar skills all you need is 1 proto dampener and a proto cloak and you get under everything except a proto active scanner. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3554
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:13:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:
Its range and dampening for gal scout not precision
You have that mixed with Cal
Cal has range and dampening.
Gal has precision and dampening.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4493
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:38:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:
Its range and dampening for gal scout not precision
This is incorrect. Check in-game bonus descriptions; they are up-to-date with the exception of CalScout range reading +10% (currently bugged at +3%).
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4493
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Posted - 2014.08.26 22:40:00 -
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iliel wrote:
Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers.
I believe these numbers to be correct.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
134
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:31:00 -
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DozersMouse XIII wrote:iliel wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile
2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision.
So there you go, there was never a problem after all.
Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers. How the heck was I on permascan by a Gal scout then? I run two damps and a kin cat. I guess he had an amarr scout with him - - but it seems unlikely. And I didn't get the scan warning, so it wasn't an active scanner. Anyhow, I'll try the suit again later. Very frustrating. was there a cal scout about? it's squishy as hell but when I run my cal I run 4 comp precision and pick up dual damped gals (uncloaked)
yeah, i actually sometimes run 4 com prec too. no clue how you can pick up dual damped gals. from what i understand, even a single damped gal n adv or proto cloak gets under these. |
iliel
0uter.Heaven
134
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Posted - 2014.08.27 00:35:00 -
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while we're here, can someone confirm whether the precision or profile win when they are equal. i've assumed profile, but perhaps i've been wrong. |
One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
3570
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:23:00 -
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iliel wrote:while we're here, can someone confirm whether the precision or profile win when they are equal. i've assumed profile, but perhaps i've been wrong.
That is correct.
Tie goes to the scanner.
Also, there is rounding, so if a scanner has 18.75 dB, and a dampened merc has 18.6 dB, both round to 19 and the scanner wins.
You can always tell a Millford Minja
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
4508
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Posted - 2014.08.27 01:26:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:iliel wrote:while we're here, can someone confirm whether the precision or profile win when they are equal. i've assumed profile, but perhaps i've been wrong. That is correct. Tie goes to the scanner. Also, there is rounding, so if a scanner has 18.75 dB, and a dampened merc has 18.6 dB, both round to 19 and the scanner wins.
^ 100% accurate. Values round to nearest whole. Ties go to scanner.
Shoot scout with yes.
- Ripley Riley
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