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iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 00:50:00 - [1] - Quote Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:19:00 - [2] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. gallente scout does not have a bonus to precision yes it does. and it literally only affects the min scout.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:20:00 - [3] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. I and many others hate shotguns and would never have gone near the gal scout if it wasted a bonus on shotguns. Swapping out the current gal bonuses for shotguns would be like stealth nerfing the min scout knife bonus and giving a mass driver bonus or something instead. So no. didn't say swap both. said get rid of precision for a bonus to shotgun damage. just like the min has a bonus to nova knife damage.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:21:00 - [4] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. I and many others hate shotguns and would never have gone near the gal scout if it wasted a bonus on shotguns. Swapping out the current gal bonuses for shotguns would be like stealth nerfing the min scout knife bonus and giving a mass driver bonus or something instead. So no. get rid of my knife bonus and give me EWAR and ill be happy nobody wants this. and min doesn't need ewar if gal can't scan us at no cost.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:23:00 - [5] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: It DOES have precision. The reason it has a bonus to precision is because of its limited number of High Slots. Similarly, Caldari have a dampening bonus because of their limited number of Low Slots. wrong, cal has dampening to get under focused scanners on gal logi. rattati said this somewhere. the bonus literally allows cal to do what every other scout needs to do, but the gal, to get under focused - - use all lows for proto damps and proto cloak. gal should have damage buff to help it kill non-scouts. just like the nova knife buff only affects non-scouts.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:25:00 - [6] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. I and many others hate shotguns and would never have gone near the gal scout if it wasted a bonus on shotguns. Swapping out the current gal bonuses for shotguns would be like stealth nerfing the min scout knife bonus and giving a mass driver bonus or something instead. So no. get rid of my knife bonus and give me EWAR and ill be happy He says wearing the face of an Amarr... Not to be trusted. Keep the knife bonus. yep. don't touch the min. touch the dang gallente.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:27:00 - [7] - Quote gustavo acosta wrote: taxi bastard wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. I and many others hate shotguns and would never have gone near the gal scout if it wasted a bonus on shotguns. Swapping out the current gal bonuses for shotguns would be like stealth nerfing the min scout knife bonus and giving a mass driver bonus or something instead. So no. get rid of my knife bonus and give me EWAR and ill be happy ARe You Even a MINMATAr Scout? BREH? exactly... let me get an i for the gal prec to be a damage buff to sg. literally so stupid being perma-scanned in a min by a gal scout.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:30:00 - [8] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. You do know the Amarr has the highest bonus to precision...right? What's with all the Gallente hate. Gal's bonus literally makes the min scout and only the min scout useless in competitive play. Without the precision bonus, both min and gal would be invisible to each other - - then it's just nova knife v. shotgun; not scanning sg v. blind nova knife.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 125	Posted - 2014.08.26 01:32:00 - [9] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: iliel wrote: One Eyed King wrote: It DOES have precision. The reason it has a bonus to precision is because of its limited number of High Slots. Similarly, Caldari have a dampening bonus because of their limited number of Low Slots. wrong, cal has dampening to get under focused scanners on gal logi. rattati said this somewhere. the bonus literally allows cal to do what every other scout needs to do, but the gal, to get under focused - - use all lows for proto damps and proto cloak. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=173884&f=728&q=2332302 gal should have damage buff to help it kill non-scouts. just like the nova knife buff only affects non-scouts. Euhm... wut? get min scout and try to be stealthy and find out for yourself. yes, i know amarr scouts can scan us - - but amarr scouts are slow and can themselves be scanned if they don't dampen. gal scouts are invisible and scan. they are what cal scouts to min scouts used to be.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 127	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:00:00 - [10] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: iliel wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. I and many others hate shotguns and would never have gone near the gal scout if it wasted a bonus on shotguns. Swapping out the current gal bonuses for shotguns would be like stealth nerfing the min scout knife bonus and giving a mass driver bonus or something instead. So no. didn't say swap both. said get rid of precision for a bonus to shotgun damage. just like the min has a bonus to nova knife damage. Still, lots of min scouts would do a sad if they lost their knife bonus for, say, a mass driver bonus. So why should gal scouts get similarly arbitrary treatment. not arbitrary. gal scouts never had the precision bonus. and this bonus only makes the min scout underpowered. unless min get's a third bonus (i.e., dampening) then it is the worst scout simply because the gal scout can scan it without having to sacrifice anything. basically, just want the suits balanced. gal does not need the scan bonus. and a shotgun bonus would help it with regard to the stupidly op six-kin heavies. i mean: as a min scout, i'd take dampening and hack - - but i don't know if everyone else wants that.

iliel 0uter.Heaven 127	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:01:00 - [11] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Sure, you can have my GalScout's precision. However, I'd like an RoF increase bonus to shotguns in return. that's what i said.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 127	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:04:00 - [12] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: I never seen OP run anything but ck.0/RR. I do like that fit now given the current meta. But I also run the CR on my ck.0 and trying the nova knives on my mk.0 - - but I suck with the lattermost and the CR on ck.0 just isn't as fun anymore. I've also been trying the militia SG as well.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 127	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:05:00 - [13] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: iliel wrote: One Eyed King wrote: It DOES have precision. The reason it has a bonus to precision is because of its limited number of High Slots. Similarly, Caldari have a dampening bonus because of their limited number of Low Slots. wrong, cal has dampening to get under focused scanners on gal logi. rattati said this somewhere. the bonus literally allows cal to do what every other scout needs to do, but the gal, to get under focused - - use all lows for proto damps and proto cloak. gal should have damage buff to help it kill non-scouts. just like the nova knife buff only affects non-scouts. Wrong really? Look here. This is what you will find. CCP Rattati wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So why are Gallente getting precision? Can someone explain to me the thinking here? What will its effects be? so it can get decent precision with their 2H slots, if that's what they want. Its a supplementary second skill to make sure all of them have two and to even the playing field. that's also why cal is getting a dampening bonus. Lines in bold to emphasize how not wrong I am hmm. good call. well, I guess I now know where to complain. thanks
iliel 0uter.Heaven 127	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:12:00 - [14] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: iliel wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: iliel wrote: Why does Gal Scout have precision? Makes it so unbalanced against Min Scouts - - which need to literally use all of their low slots to hide from it. Give Gal Scout something else - - like damage buff to shotgun (just as min has damage buff to nova knives). All in favor, say I. You do know the Amarr has the highest bonus to precision...right? What's with all the Gallente hate. Gal's bonus literally makes the min scout and only the min scout useless in competitive play. Without the precision bonus, both min and gal would be invisible to each other - - then it's just nova knife v. shotgun; not scanning sg v. blind nova knife. Two dampeners puts you below any possible gal scout scan. no it doesn't: gal has 21, I have 23.7?
iliel 0uter.Heaven 127	Posted - 2014.08.26 03:14:00 - [15] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: You need all profile affecting skills to 5 (scout+dampening), 2 complex dampeners and a proto cloak on to get underneath gal. logi scanners. If you just alter only 1 part of it like downgrading the cloak to a advanced or run only 1 complex and 1 advanced dampener you will be scanned. Gal. Logis with scanners have no mercy in that aspect. Trust me on it cause im one. Oh yeah this goes for gal+cal scouts all other scouts need to get like 3 dampeners+proto cloak on. not sure to whom this is responding, but i have all these at 5. I'm more concerned about the min scout in this post - - i've reconciled my issues with the changes to the caldari .
iliel 0uter.Heaven 133	Posted - 2014.08.26 18:19:00 - [16] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: 2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile 2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision. So there you go, there was never a problem after all. Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers. How the heck was I on permascan by a Gal scout then? I run two damps and a kin cat. I guess he had an amarr scout with him - - but it seems unlikely. And I didn't get the scan warning, so it wasn't an active scanner. Anyhow, I'll try the suit again later. Very frustrating.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 134	Posted - 2014.08.27 00:31:00 - [17] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: iliel wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: 2 damp min scout - 18.49db profile 2 precision gal scout - 21.41db precision. So there you go, there was never a problem after all. Wow, this is true. I had the wrong numbers. How the heck was I on permascan by a Gal scout then? I run two damps and a kin cat. I guess he had an amarr scout with him - - but it seems unlikely. And I didn't get the scan warning, so it wasn't an active scanner. Anyhow, I'll try the suit again later. Very frustrating. was there a cal scout about? it's squishy as hell but when I run my cal I run 4 comp precision and pick up dual damped gals (uncloaked) yeah, i actually sometimes run 4 com prec too. no clue how you can pick up dual damped gals. from what i understand, even a single damped gal n adv or proto cloak gets under these.
iliel 0uter.Heaven 134	Posted - 2014.08.27 00:35:00 - [18] - Quote while we're here, can someone confirm whether the precision or profile win when they are equal. i've assumed profile, but perhaps i've been wrong.