DUST Search - To those who think the commando need buffing

Pokey Dravon wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

...... that's not you place as a Commando, even as a Gallente Commando.

Rushing in just loses you very expensive suits and achieves very little. Using a high DPS burst or Tac Rifle to support your assaults from mid range while rep tanking any incoming fire and remaining AV adaptable should be your first priority.

I've always seen and play the Commando as the slow and steady brawler. You're not rushing in like an Assault would but you just keep going at a good steady pace, burning stuff down that gets in the way.

To the OP:

30/11 is, for one not that insane. Unless it's a total clusterfuck of a match, I typically die in my Standard commando maybe 1-3 times, and score a respectable KDR that varies based on the enemy team's performance. Now the Commando suits my playstyle VERY well, so I probably perform better than the average Commando user simply because its a good fit. That, and your account, as pretty anecdotal.

That being said, you need to balance a suit around the average player. And while I do see Commandos in games, you can see at the end of the match that they tend to *slightly* underperfom compared to other players, on average. As for what changes need to happen? My personal opinion is that the fitting is very very restrictive. It doesn't allow for much creativity and I think they could do to have an increase in slots (and an appropriate increase in resources to match).

I'd even go as far as to say as match their slot layouts to that of the Sentinel, in particular to make sure they're not matched too closely by medium suits which have significantly higher slot counts. Though the exact amount of appropriate increase is up for discussion.

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Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1139	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:07:00 - [1] - Quote http://imgur.com/rqed2lV,k9lT7yx#1 I came first one my team with Gallente Com and the opposing teams top player was a caldari commando. sorry about the combat stats crappy photo quality, but hopefully you maybe able to tell when the enemy got desperate for the win and started bringing in heavies with six kin HMG's lol, I only consider 3 of my 11 deaths true deaths since it's no secret that the Burst HMG's require a nerf soon. But all in all, I think commando's ARE balanced and in a good place. If anything at all we may need a stamina buff but even then you work around that. So before you start asking for buffs in Delta, don't ask for something we don't need and break our suits. Already had to give up being a sentinel and HMG because of OP, don't wanna have to give up my commando suits next because people don't realise what their asking for... If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 739	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:27:00 - [2] - Quote If anything the Commandos just need a slight EHP buff. Ever try a scrambler with shotgun? "Your forefathers fought alongside the Empire, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2724	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:28:00 - [3] - Quote Look at this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2318328#post2318328 A little buff is needed, they are not bad, but neither good, they lack of slot, especially at low level. The only good thing about commando are the 2 light weapon. They inherit all the cons from heavies: large hitbox, low speed, crap regen, even less slots, but they gain only a few HP on assaults. Even if you made a nice result (for kills not for deaths), it does not mean that the commando are balanced. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" LOCK REGIONS
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1139	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:30:00 - [4] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: If anything the Commandos just need a slight EHP buff. Ever try a scrambler with shotgun? I run AR and shotgun and PLC on Gallente com. Maybe one day I'll return to the SCR but not until their fixed. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
taxi bastard uptown456 215	Posted - 2014.08.23 16:40:00 - [5] - Quote i use the mini commando and also use the mini assault. IMO the mini commando is considerably less combat effective than the assault and looses out significantly per level due to +1 slot per level. the perk of the suit is that i can run with a combat rifle aswell as swarms as no one else seems to like AV. i thought proir to charlie at advanced the suits were level basic went to the comando and proto to the assault. now i would argue overall the assault is better at basic and the gap grows substantially per level. it needs another slot to balance the suits, can i top the board in a basic commando suit? i probably do 30-40% of the matches i play, yet i will die alot less when using the assault suit to acheive the same status. my principle reason for using the commando is lack of AV players in pubs. from the mini perspective i see no reason to use the commando beyond the advanced level. i have no idea about the other comando's performance.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3146	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:00:00 - [6] - Quote Commandos need a .2 speed buff and maybe a little more health (or an extra slot somewhere). But hey, at least STD is better than before. Remember having only 2 light weapons and an equipment? That was hell.
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1141	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:06:00 - [7] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Commandos need a .2 speed buff and maybe a little more health (or an extra slot somewhere). But hey, at least STD is better than before. Remember having only 2 light weapons and an equipment? That was hell. I still played it tho as my main suit I'm an OG commando, I stopped wearing underwear before it gave us a damage boost! If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
VikingKong iBUN 2.U.P 128	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:18:00 - [8] - Quote You got 30/11 one time? That does not convince me that commandos aren't ****.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1056	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:26:00 - [9] - Quote I just don't like the Commando. I have an ADV Minmando for swarms, but I prefer my Minassault or even a scout suit. The Commando suit seems to have the worst of both worlds instead of the best. I don't think it needs buffing, it might just be a matter of playstyle The one Commando fit I use is an MD/Rail fit, it just fills a niche that is missing for me. I run AV mostly though, I can do a little logi or run an HMG in the city but when that isn't called for I am kind of lost. Because, that's why.
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1141	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:27:00 - [10] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: You got 30/11 one time? That does not convince me that commandos aren't ****. If they was so bad I wouldn't have done.so well. So it's either I'm awesome or Commando's aren't as bad as people.suggest. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.

Cody Sietz Evzones Public.Disorder. 3899	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:34:00 - [11] - Quote They were better then assaults, now it's kind of on the fence. The extra dmg and base ehp are nice but you can pretty much be outdone by a assault or even a Logi. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 415	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:38:00 - [12] - Quote With the assault scrambler heat buildup nerf. The amarr commando is considerably worse than pre-Charlie....I find myself not wanting to even use my commando. And it's my favorite suit Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1292	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:58:00 - [13] - Quote 1 more slot. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
Ankoku Daishogun Safe house rewr 100	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:41:00 - [14] - Quote The commando needs to be a light frame suit.
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1143	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:51:00 - [15] - Quote Ankoku Daishogun wrote: The commando needs to be a light frame suit. Medium actually but that's neither here or there since it's a bit late now to change the frame. If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 478	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:29:00 - [16] - Quote Give Amarr and Caldari a Damage bonus to PLC and Swarms respectively ..... Give Mins a bit more speed . buff the ehp of all SLIGHTLY ... done. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Atiim 11589	Posted - 2014.08.23 19:29:00 - [17] - Quote I've gone 30/3 in a Staff Recruiter Militia Frame, so 30/11 really means nothing. Not to mention that the enemy team is mostly of randoms who lack competence. In debates, this is known as cherry-picking. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1114	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:25:00 - [18] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Give Amarr and Caldari a Damage bonus to PLC and Swarms respectively ..... Give Mins a bit more speed . buff the ehp of all SLIGHTLY ... done. Add some stamina to the mix and that would be great . I think all could use a slight speed or movement speed increase . But they need to fix that and give swarms to the Caldari or just take the swarms out of the FW store and place them in the Minmatar store . That just makes no sense . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Tectonic Fusion 2051	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:39:00 - [19] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: If anything the Commandos just need a slight EHP buff. Ever try a scrambler with shotgun? Indeed. (GIF)
VikingKong iBUN 1.U.P 134	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:36:00 - [20] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: You got 30/11 one time? That does not convince me that commandos aren't ****. If they was so bad I wouldn't have done.so well. So it's either I'm awesome or Commando's aren't as bad as people.suggest. Or it could also mean that 30/11 isn't even a good score, and if that's the best you can do, your suit must be crap. I know from experience, I got gal commando to adv for plasma cannon fun. It's slow, squishy, uses short-ranged weapons and has a massive hit box. There's nothing good about it.

Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1157	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:39:00 - [21] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: VikingKong iBUN wrote: You got 30/11 one time? That does not convince me that commandos aren't ****. If they was so bad I wouldn't have done.so well. So it's either I'm awesome or Commando's aren't as bad as people.suggest. Or it could also mean that 30/11 isn't even a good score, and if that's the best you can do, your suit must be crap. I know from experience, I got gal commando to adv for plasma cannon fun. It's slow, squishy, uses short-ranged weapons and has a massive hit box. There's nothing good about it. only died 8 of those 11 times due to Six kin burst crutches. I'm not against a buff but just saying, don't people winge "Commando's are OP" later If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13020	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:41:00 - [22] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: http://imgur.com/rqed2lV,k9lT7yx#1 I came first one my team with Gallente Com and the opposing teams top player was a caldari commando. sorry about the combat stats crappy photo quality, but hopefully you maybe able to tell when the enemy got desperate for the win and started bringing in heavies with six kin HMG's lol, I only consider 3 of my 11 deaths true deaths since it's no secret that the Burst HMG's require a nerf soon. But all in all, I think commando's ARE balanced and in a good place. If anything at all we may need a stamina buff but even then you work around that. So before you start asking for buffs in Delta, don't ask for something we don't need and break our suits. Already had to give up being a sentinel and HMG because of OP, don't wanna have to give up my commando suits next because people don't realise what their asking for... 30/11 dude are you kidding? What were you doing rushing like an assault? "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Coleman Gray Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1157	Posted - 2014.08.24 21:45:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: http://imgur.com/rqed2lV,k9lT7yx#1 I came first one my team with Gallente Com and the opposing teams top player was a caldari commando. sorry about the combat stats crappy photo quality, but hopefully you maybe able to tell when the enemy got desperate for the win and started bringing in heavies with six kin HMG's lol, I only consider 3 of my 11 deaths true deaths since it's no secret that the Burst HMG's require a nerf soon. But all in all, I think commando's ARE balanced and in a good place. If anything at all we may need a stamina buff but even then you work around that. So before you start asking for buffs in Delta, don't ask for something we don't need and break our suits. Already had to give up being a sentinel and HMG because of OP, don't wanna have to give up my commando suits next because people don't realise what their asking for... 30/11 dude are you kidding? What were you doing rushing like an assault? Yes lol XD If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13021	Posted - 2014.08.24 22:12:00 - [24] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: True Adamance wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: http://imgur.com/rqed2lV,k9lT7yx#1 I came first one my team with Gallente Com and the opposing teams top player was a caldari commando. sorry about the combat stats crappy photo quality, but hopefully you maybe able to tell when the enemy got desperate for the win and started bringing in heavies with six kin HMG's lol, I only consider 3 of my 11 deaths true deaths since it's no secret that the Burst HMG's require a nerf soon. But all in all, I think commando's ARE balanced and in a good place. If anything at all we may need a stamina buff but even then you work around that. So before you start asking for buffs in Delta, don't ask for something we don't need and break our suits. Already had to give up being a sentinel and HMG because of OP, don't wanna have to give up my commando suits next because people don't realise what their asking for... 30/11 dude are you kidding? What were you doing rushing like an assault? Yes lol XD ...... that's not you place as a Commando, even as a Gallente Commando. Rushing in just loses you very expensive suits and achieves very little. Using a high DPS burst or Tac Rifle to support your assaults from mid range while rep tanking any incoming fire and remaining AV adaptable should be your first priority. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
al nize mk2 No Skillz inc. 120	Posted - 2014.08.25 10:11:00 - [25] - Quote For a while ADV Commando was my number 1 suit - but since Charlie I've gone back to assault in a big way. All the extra HP far outweighs the 2 light weapons advantage these days. It's a shame because I was very fond of the Commando. Ah well, it's still there for when the next set of buffs/nerfs shakes things up again! GÇ£All that I know most surely about morality and obligations I owe to football.GÇ¥
Scar Scrilla 343	Posted - 2014.08.25 10:36:00 - [26] - Quote http://imgur.com/Mb9tO4W situational ... "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 347	Posted - 2014.08.25 11:43:00 - [27] - Quote I didn't think commando's needed buffing way back when they were near useless... I don't think they need it now... That damage bonus... Only thing that makes my tac AR worth using.
Aczrahel Can-'Ka No Rey 0	Posted - 2014.08.25 11:45:00 - [28] - Quote Still, the commando seems not found its right place yet, since other suits will do better in probably most cases. Beside the second light weapon, commandos are in disadvantage over other suits in too many things. Altough, the commando is a very fun suit, personally i run AR/PLC combination. Hilarious!
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 707	Posted - 2014.08.25 13:07:00 - [29] - Quote 11 deaths.. I think I'll pass.. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
taxi bastard Shining Flame Amarr Empire 228	Posted - 2014.08.25 19:30:00 - [30] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: But they need to fix that and give swarms to the Caldari or just take the swarms out of the FW store and place them in the Minmatar store . That just makes no sense . if they gave the swarms damage to the caldari it puts all my CR and commando skills to waste. i went mini for the swarms and CR - not the MD i would have to get RR and caldari comando skills up .....which is alot of change and about 5-6 mil SP's

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2961	Posted - 2014.08.25 20:56:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: ...... that's not you place as a Commando, even as a Gallente Commando. Rushing in just loses you very expensive suits and achieves very little. Using a high DPS burst or Tac Rifle to support your assaults from mid range while rep tanking any incoming fire and remaining AV adaptable should be your first priority. I've always seen and play the Commando as the slow and steady brawler. You're not rushing in like an Assault would but you just keep going at a good steady pace, burning stuff down that gets in the way. To the OP: 30/11 is, for one not that insane. Unless it's a total clusterfuck of a match, I typically die in my Standard commando maybe 1-3 times, and score a respectable KDR that varies based on the enemy team's performance. Now the Commando suits my playstyle VERY well, so I probably perform better than the average Commando user simply because its a good fit. That, and your account, as pretty anecdotal. That being said, you need to balance a suit around the average player. And while I do see Commandos in games, you can see at the end of the match that they tend to slightly underperfom compared to other players, on average. As for what changes need to happen? My personal opinion is that the fitting is very very restrictive. It doesn't allow for much creativity and I think they could do to have an increase in slots (and an appropriate increase in resources to match). I'd even go as far as to say as match their slot layouts to that of the Sentinel, in particular to make sure they're not matched too closely by medium suits which have significantly higher slot counts. Though the exact amount of appropriate increase is up for discussion.
taxi bastard Shining Flame Amarr Empire 228	Posted - 2014.08.25 20:59:00 - [32] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: True Adamance wrote: ...... that's not you place as a Commando, even as a Gallente Commando. Rushing in just loses you very expensive suits and achieves very little. Using a high DPS burst or Tac Rifle to support your assaults from mid range while rep tanking any incoming fire and remaining AV adaptable should be your first priority. I've always seen and play the Commando as the slow and steady brawler. You're not rushing in like an Assault would but you just keep going at a good steady pace, burning stuff down that gets in the way. To the OP: 30/11 is, for one not that insane. Unless it's a total clusterfuck of a match, I typically die in my Standard commando maybe 1-3 times, and score a respectable KDR that varies based on the enemy team's performance. Now the Commando suits my playstyle VERY well, so I probably perform better than the average Commando user simply because its a good fit. That, and your account, as pretty anecdotal. That being said, you need to balance a suit around the average player. And while I do see Commandos in games, you can see at the end of the match that they tend to slightly underperfom compared to other players, on average. As for what changes need to happen? My personal opinion is that the fitting is very very restrictive. It doesn't allow for much creativity and I think they could do to have an increase in slots (and an appropriate increase in resources to match). I'd even go as far as to say as match their slot layouts to that of the Sentinel, in particular to make sure they're not matched too closely by medium suits which have significantly higher slot counts. Though the exact amount of appropriate increase is up for discussion. i would say that few new players try the commando as a main - its simply not worth the SP investment unless you have 2 suitable weapons unlocked for your choice of commando over a militia heavy frame with 1 weapon. for me to make it viable i have had to invest heavily to get the suit to 4 and put alot of points into both the CR and swarms.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2961	Posted - 2014.08.25 21:07:00 - [33] - Quote taxi bastard wrote: i would say that few new players try the commando as a main - its simply not worth the SP investment unless you have 2 suitable weapons unlocked for your choice of commando over a militia heavy frame with 1 weapon. for me to make it viable i have had to invest heavily to get the suit to 4 and put alot of points into both the CR and swarms. The progression is kinda weird. You start with a Heavy Frame which uses a Heavy Weapon and a Sidearm, and then skill into a suit which uses neither. I know I never really played with Commandos seriously until after I was done maxing out my Sentinel, at which point I said "Oh why not, I have all the support skills already leveled."
taxi bastard Shining Flame Amarr Empire 228	Posted - 2014.08.25 21:24:00 - [34] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: taxi bastard wrote: i would say that few new players try the commando as a main - its simply not worth the SP investment unless you have 2 suitable weapons unlocked for your choice of commando over a militia heavy frame with 1 weapon. for me to make it viable i have had to invest heavily to get the suit to 4 and put alot of points into both the CR and swarms. The progression is kinda weird. You start with a Heavy Frame which uses a Heavy Weapon and a Sidearm, and then skill into a suit which uses neither. I know I never really played with Commandos seriously until after I was done maxing out my Sentinel, at which point I said "Oh why not, I have all the support skills already leveled." i went mini scout - ASCR - then CR when released. Then i went mini scout + swarms + AV grenades + RE but got fed up with having to spend alot on an advanced suit with 300 EHP and a sidearm as defence form infantry. thought i would try the unfashionable commando as it did have one redeeming feature the 2 weapons which i had SP's into having a bonus to damage. also the low slot count ment less isk per fit =) currently my basic fit is 1 complex damage mod, 1 enhanced armour rep, nanohive, CBR7 swarms and basic CR 21k my advanced fit is 2 comlex damage mod, 1 enhanced armour rep, nanohive, wiyrkomi swarm launcher and basic CR at just under 54K all run base EHP and the advanced fit comes out only if the enemy is going heavy on the veichle side
Toby Flenderson research lab 580	Posted - 2014.08.25 21:26:00 - [35] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Look at this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2318328#post2318328 A little buff is needed, they are not bad, but neither good, they lack of slot, especially at low level. The only good thing about commando are the 2 light weapon. They inherit all the cons from heavies: large hitbox, low speed, crap regen, even less slots, but they gain only a few HP on assaults. Even if you made a nice result (for kills not for deaths), it does not mean that the commando are balanced. You forgot about the blanket damage bonus for racial weapons... That's pretty huge. But I agree that just because someone can do well with a suit/weapon/mechanic doesn't mean that it isn't UP. I personally love the commando suits but scoreboards wouldn't prove they do or don't need a nerf/buff
Jakkal Shoobah Direct Action Resources 5	Posted - 2014.08.30 03:54:00 - [36] - Quote VikingKong iBUN wrote: You got 30/11 one time? That does not convince me that commandos aren't ****. Hey ballsac. Commandos are glorious. Only mofos with two rifles. They are still fodder for snipers,tanks,hmgs, cloak shottys, and what have you, but they provide an alternative to being an assault or dancing scout or waddling chubby with a damn minigun. I will personally kill your clone with my ar and or rr. Scrub. Go hate on some other damn suit. Jakkal "Jammal" Shoobah, The friendly/pissy Gallente Commando/Assault Assault Rifles til I get stomped to the ground


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