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ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.23 05:47:00 - [1] - Quote It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped.
Darth-Carbonite GIO Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 721	Posted - 2014.08.23 05:52:00 - [2] - Quote Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. Living proof that the Amarr can't do anything without the Caldari
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:18:00 - [3] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. No. Map tactics would be turrets you could call in. I know where all the turrets are and i know when they drop, its just repetitive. Its not even fun killing the damn things.
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2479	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:39:00 - [4] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. Normally I would agree with you, but the fact that they're in the redline as well kind of ticks me off. This kind of turret setup encourages camping the redline and not doing anything for your team. Other than that, I agree with you. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3916	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:45:00 - [5] - Quote Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? B3RT > PFBHz > TEAM > MHPD > IMPS > FA They call me ~Princess Zatata~ Skype: Zatara.Rought Twitter: @ZataraRought
Dergle Kiith Sobani 16	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:52:00 - [6] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. I am with Darth on this. The turrets were too squishy before, in a python you could sneeze at em and they are gone. It gives the infantry a longer break from getting bombed on when I need to take out an installation too. Overall it is a good thing. Less QQ, more PEW PEW
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2479	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:53:00 - [7] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? not my experience with it. Usually I'm in a skirm, or dom, they still have links out, and can easily try to push the objective instead of planting themselves on it. Sometimes they start off the match on the turret, not even bothering to help in the initial push. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:56:00 - [8] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? Yes but why make the other turrets just as strong if the whole point was to stop redlining? Now its made vehicles terrible, especially tanks because anyone can just hack a turret and party.A turret 1v1 a tank will almost always win. I mean why invest millions of sp to get beat by a free installation.
Dergle Kiith Sobani 16	Posted - 2014.08.23 06:57:00 - [9] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Normally I would agree with you, but the fact that they're in the redline as well kind of ticks me off. This kind of turret setup encourages camping the redline and not doing anything for your team. Other than that, I agree with you. I have seen an increased amount of reds try n shoot at me with their redline turrets the whole game, out of range, but they are persistent, and useless. Maybe a remedy for this could be Non player controlled redline installations. Just a thought Less QQ, more PEW PEW
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 244	Posted - 2014.08.23 07:01:00 - [10] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? Yes but why make the other turrets just as strong if the whole point was to stop redlining? Now its made vehicles terrible, especially tanks because anyone can just hack a turret and party.A turret 1v1 a tank will almost always win. I mean why invest millions of sp to get beat by a free installation. It would be nice if the tanker turret skills had an effect on stationary turrets. My take on 514: Five Empires, One Dead, Four Alive

ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.23 07:13:00 - [11] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? Yes but why make the other turrets just as strong if the whole point was to stop redlining? Now its made vehicles terrible, especially tanks because anyone can just hack a turret and party.A turret 1v1 a tank will almost always win. I mean why invest millions of sp to get beat by a free installation. It would be nice if the tanker turret skills had an effect on stationary turrets. Thatd be nice but not the point turrets are ruining vehicle gameplay right now. If ccp can cut their hp back, but exclude the redline turrets from any changes.
vincent FF7 514 sephiroth clones 12	Posted - 2014.08.23 07:36:00 - [12] - Quote Dust 514 with an identity curse. The see saw effect.
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 497	Posted - 2014.08.23 08:02:00 - [13] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: turrets are ruining vehicle gameplay I'm sorry, can you explain in further detail how this is? Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.23 08:45:00 - [14] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: turrets are ruining vehicle gameplay I'm sorry, can you explain in further detail how this is? Why skill into tanks when you can get the strongest tank for free ,an installation. Do you see its replacing our intended role. Also im rarely getting into vehicle vs vehicle fights anymore its all vehicle vs AI.
Dergle Kiith Sobani 16	Posted - 2014.08.23 08:51:00 - [15] - Quote Your argument is invalid due to your skewed logic. If an installation does a better job than you in a tank, you're doing it wrong. Less QQ, more PEW PEW
Riptalis Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 53	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:50:00 - [16] - Quote Somewhat agreed with OP. Before Charlie I could take out a turret with one clip from my XT's; now it takes two clips which is cool and all. The most annoying issue is taking out the redline rail turrets while a missile turret is constantly firing at me and completely rocking my ship from side to side. Logistics ak.0 ADS Pilot PSN: Riptalis
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1292	Posted - 2014.08.23 18:06:00 - [17] - Quote A stationary target creates a problem for a vehicle that can move in any direction and quickly out of range? Yeah, I think you're your problem. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
Dergle Kiith Sobani 20	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:21:00 - [18] - Quote The redline missile installations have 250m range! Haha it's not that hard to stay out of the way... Less QQ, more PEW PEW
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3994	Posted - 2014.08.23 20:41:00 - [19] - Quote With 1 gunner and 2 small rails on my incubus (front+sidegun) i need like 2 strafing runs to kill the new turrets. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:04:00 - [20] - Quote Dergle wrote: The redline missile installations have 250m range! Haha it's not that hard to stay out of the way... On AI but theres always a redberry camping them.

Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 818	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:21:00 - [21] - Quote Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. So now people can sit in the redline and railgun 300M out of it while being almost indestructible. 12000 HP turret requires 25+ prototype XT-1 missiles to blow up. That is over 25% of ammo on the python. Using a incubus, It is impossible to kill redline turrets because the thing shoots so freking slow unless you want to spend over half the game trying to take out one turret. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Anmol Singh G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 818	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:24:00 - [22] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? No. They allow red berries to control a lot of the map. I don't know if you know this but 300m railgun on some domination maps cover the objective. And on other covers 1/3 of the map. 300m for a redline turret is too much especially one as powerful as the railgun. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3122	Posted - 2014.08.23 21:33:00 - [23] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Dergle wrote: The redline missile installations have 250m range! Haha it's not that hard to stay out of the way... On AI but theres always a redberry camping them. You mean a redberry in a squishy little drop suit that cant move at all and is standing exposed on all but one side while using the turret? I mean seriously its "waaah waaah waaah an installation shot down my toy" even though the person manning it is a sitting duck to a decent shot
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.23 22:19:00 - [24] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Dergle wrote: The redline missile installations have 250m range! Haha it's not that hard to stay out of the way... On AI but theres always a redberry camping them. You mean a redberry in a squishy little drop suit that cant move at all and is standing exposed on all but one side while using the turret? I mean seriously its "waaah waaah waaah an installation shot down my toy" even though the person manning it is a sitting duck to a decent shot Why you so defensive, im just pointing out that a red in his redline on a 10k hp installation can reach me while im on the objective.I thought this was to prevent redlining, so why do they have so much reach?
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1115	Posted - 2014.08.23 22:21:00 - [25] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: turrets are ruining vehicle gameplay I'm sorry, can you explain in further detail how this is? He means , for him . Think about how LAV's and HAV's feel ??? At least you can fly away . You don't have NK scouts jumping out from the four corners .. on you . Air ships have it so easy compared to ground vehicles that pilots really should have no complaints in that area of the game . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1115	Posted - 2014.08.23 22:25:00 - [26] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: I thought this was to prevent redlining, so why do they have so much reach? They cut the range of missiles and rails but blasters do have to far a reach but that dispersion falls off of the shots ... so far away that they are only bothersome at times . I would say that they should cut the range of them as well if that wasn't the case . Again , no room to complain . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 249	Posted - 2014.08.23 22:30:00 - [27] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. Normally I would agree with you, but the fact that they're in the redline as well kind of ticks me off. This kind of turret setup encourages camping the redline and not doing anything for your team. Other than that, I agree with you. I agree with both of you, and Mr. action on his point about knowing exactly where all the turrets are. We need far less things encouraging redline play, and more things encouraging fighting for the objective. "Anybody order chaos?"
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 776	Posted - 2014.08.23 22:34:00 - [28] - Quote Oh yes, it really does suck. I only see 1-3 ADS a game compared to 3-5. Get real. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
MarasdF Loron Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 955	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:03:00 - [29] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? To a degree yeah, rail or missile tanks will take those things out in no time at all. Dropships have no place in ashlands before someone takes out the redline turrets because players camping in those deny the whole map for dropships. Some redline turrets are completely pointless (because they cannot reach out of the redline), the only purpose they serve is to deny killing other redline turrets with dropships. I'd say move the blaster installations near to the edge of the redline, so they serve a purpose and they can also be destroyed, and move missile and rail installations out of the redline because those are just OP inside the redline. Well, that's just how I see things but others might disagree with me (infantry) because they are either never or very rarely a victim of these free turrets. I dunno what infantry would think if there were free AI turrets on the field. And that they would be incredibly though for infantry to take out (think 1000 shields 5000 armor (your AI weaponry will work just like it works against dropsuits, SL wont work)). My guess is there would be lots of tears.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3124	Posted - 2014.08.23 23:51:00 - [30] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? To a degree yeah, rail or missile tanks will take those things out in no time at all. Dropships have no place in ashlands before someone takes out the redline turrets because players camping in those deny the whole map for dropships. Some redline turrets are completely pointless (because they cannot reach out of the redline), the only purpose they serve is to deny killing other redline turrets with dropships. I'd say move the blaster installations near to the edge of the redline, so they serve a purpose and they can also be destroyed, and move missile and rail installations out of the redline because those are just OP inside the redline. Well, that's just how I see things but others might disagree with me (infantry) because they are either never or very rarely a victim of these free turrets. I dunno what infantry would think if there were free AI turrets on the field. And that they would be incredibly though for infantry to take out (think 1000 shields 5000 armor (your AI weaponry will work just like it works against dropsuits, SL wont work)). My guess is there would be lots of tears. You must spend all your time in a vehicle, blaster turrets would (Still do? I always approach from a different angle now) fire on infantry and turn you into swiss cheese if you werent careful But most infantry players would just not stand in front of it and hack the damn thing so we wouldnt get shot up but I guess vehicle players cant handle simple concepts

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 339	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:00:00 - [31] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped. That is kind of the idea... Your team is supposed to help capture/defend them... But they don't, so roll with a missile tanker, they'll get the job done. Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? If you're squishing a team into the redzone, you kill the redzone turrets... It's about the only time the redzone turrets get killed now... Tanks still bone installations, just not if they're defended.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 400	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:16:00 - [32] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Dergle wrote: The redline missile installations have 250m range! Haha it's not that hard to stay out of the way... On AI but theres always a redberry camping them. If redberry sits in missile instalation, he will never hit moving target. Yes they are dumb. Instalations are okay. They are still very easy to destroy. Tanks (rail,blaster) needs half a clip to get one. ADS little more. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5808	Posted - 2014.08.24 00:33:00 - [33] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Dergle wrote: The redline missile installations have 250m range! Haha it's not that hard to stay out of the way... On AI but theres always a redberry camping them. The absolute range of the missiles is 250m, they were made consistent with HAV missiles so they explode when they hit that range. The old missile AI would shoot at dropships across maps, for the record. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
ugg reset Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 601	Posted - 2014.08.24 01:30:00 - [34] - Quote Right, this would be the feel pilots get when they afterburn away to safely. Thr33 is the magic number. no hope.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.24 02:56:00 - [35] - Quote Bump
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1828	Posted - 2014.08.24 03:05:00 - [36] - Quote I really like it. It makes the battle field multidimensional, you are encouraged to work with a ground team to help neutralize AA positions. You can destroy the 2x or even 3x as fast with gunners ;) Do you even teamwork bro? Master Skyshark rider Kaalaka dakka tamer
ImIvan 8	Posted - 2014.08.24 03:14:00 - [37] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. No. Map tactics would be turrets you could call in. I know where all the turrets are and i know when they drop, its just repetitive. Its not even fun killing the damn things. Yea, like a warbarge but it drops support stuff =3 Why must you use prototypes?
Thurak1 Psygod9 940	Posted - 2014.08.24 04:02:00 - [38] - Quote Zatara Rought wrote: Redline turrets prevent you camping the enemy stuck in their own redline by using them, no? That is the original intent of the redline and such. It is however a very abused mechanic. By that i speak of the many people that sit in the redline sniping or using rail / missile turrets to take out enemy's from afar and with little to no worry about being hit themselves.
Thurak1 Psygod9 940	Posted - 2014.08.24 04:22:00 - [39] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped. Probably because you are focused on taking out the turret (which has more hps now) and the AV on the team is concentrating on taking you out.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.24 05:16:00 - [40] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped. Probably because you are focused on taking out the turret (which has more hps now) and the AV on the team is concentrating on taking you out. Thats the point its a lose lose. If i attack the turrets the av gets me, if i attack the av the turrets get me.

aaaasdff ertgfdd 236	Posted - 2014.08.24 05:22:00 - [41] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped. They dont shoot at you, ignore them, or use a tank first, to remove them. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.24 06:31:00 - [42] - Quote aaaasdff ertgfdd wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped. They dont shoot at you, ignore them, or use a tank first, to remove them. I already do that but its just repetetive. Vehicles arent fun like they used to be im gonna be a heavy now.
Vell0cet Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 2203	Posted - 2014.08.24 06:42:00 - [43] - Quote Have you considered getting a teammate on your dropship? You could drop him off behind the enemy and he can quickly assassinate the guy and hack the turret? Pick him up and repeat for other turrets? Or do you just want to fly around solo and uncontested and milk WPs? Tactics and teamwork, right? Best PvE idea ever!
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.24 06:52:00 - [44] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: Have you considered getting a teammate on your dropship? You could drop him off behind the enemy and he can quickly assassinate the guy and hack the turret? Pick him up and repeat for other turrets? Or do you just want to fly around solo and uncontested and milk WPs? Tactics and teamwork, right? Thats a good idea but im done dropshipping for now. Im gonna leave that account on the passive till it gets more interesting.
taxi bastard uptown456 220	Posted - 2014.08.24 08:05:00 - [45] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped. swarm nerf you mean? unless you are talking about all those AV specialists who use basic swarm launchers for the challenge? most of those Pro's run in militia gear because they are just so god dam OP. the advanced buff is negligible to non existent and where it counts at proto level there has been a nerf. all i see is people crying that a) they are not getting their +100 WP as easily and just like us on the ground getting war points has an element of risk. infact many scrubs would call in tanks solely for this stage of the battle before recall. b) turrets are worth manning now because they do not die when looked at by a veichle. As a result they have a tactical point in battle, they restrict the movement of vehicles when red so working together with infantry is key at the start of the battle. Bear in mind the increase in blaster turret accuracy has made them alot more deadly to infantry too. c) low SP players can kill veichle users......just like they can infantry......wait i know its wrong piliots should not be able to be killed by anything less that teams of pure AV specialists with full proto.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 408	Posted - 2014.08.24 09:25:00 - [46] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: Thurak1 wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: It just does, i can deal with the swarm buff, i can deal with not getting the promised python buff but whenever im trying to take out these turrets i get av stomped. Probably because you are focused on taking out the turret (which has more hps now) and the AV on the team is concentrating on taking you out. Thats the point its a lose lose. If i attack the turrets the av gets me, if i attack the av the turrets get me. Then you should change tactic. Take out AV first if they are out of redline. If they sit near instalation then take tank and shred it. Gunlogi with 2x hardeners and you can take AV fire all day. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Scar Scrilla 340	Posted - 2014.08.24 11:31:00 - [47] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote: Disagree. I think the installation buff adds another layer to map tactics, and needed to be done. So now people can sit in the redline and railgun 300M out of it while being almost indestructible. 12000 HP turret requires 25+ prototype XT-1 missiles to blow up. That is over 25% of ammo on the python. Using a incubus, It is impossible to kill redline turrets because the thing shoots so freking slow unless you want to spend over half the game trying to take out one turret. Well an Incubus with small rails is shooting kinda fast in fact... "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Dergle Kiith Sobani 26	Posted - 2014.08.24 15:49:00 - [48] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Do you even teamwork bro? Dropships are still classified as a support vehicle, teamwork is imperative to have a good game. DUST is not a democracy! Ain't nobody want to hear your problems, Everyone got problems.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2014.08.25 05:04:00 - [49] - Quote Bump i think tanks suck worse than dropships right now.


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