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ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:01:00 -
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Something needs to be done about ADS, there is no counter to them. Not even themselves. When I'm hunting down a Python, all they have to do when they are on low life is pop the after burner, fly straight up and the shield regens. It's too hard to shoot another ADS in your own ADS when they can fly straight up in a few seconds -.- The only way I can seem to take them down is ramming into them.
ADS are not squishy, they can take hits. They can move the fastest. They can FLY.
They can take out tanks as easily as they can take out infantry. ADS vs. ADS is a joke.
I'm thinking less speed for ADS.
Why must you use prototypes?
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:04:00 -
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Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You dont have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:06:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You dont have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata.
Why dont we all just play with paint balls then since killing people in a god damned shooter is apparently not winning but chasing them off for a few seconds is |
ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:07:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You do fit have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata.
Yea that's what I did all of last game, but the pythons are near impossible to take out for me, when they fly up I either
A. Fly up my self
B. First person camera, but then they get out of range...
I would just like to see an actual counter for these ***** things -.-
I don't want to run counter ADS all game long.
Why must you use prototypes?
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:09:00 -
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It's boring to ads vs ads, especially if there's bonus stacking going on... But lol if you can't kill a Python with a rail turret, you need to practice more. |
ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:13:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:It's boring to ads vs ads, especially if there's bonus stacking going on... But lol if you can't kill a Python with a rail turret, you need to practice more.
Probably because I don't have my Incubus leveled, I just unlocked it because ADS is OP and annoying -.-
Why must you use prototypes?
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:31:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:It's boring to ads vs ads, especially if there's bonus stacking going on... But lol if you can't kill a Python with a rail turret, you need to practice more. Probably because I don't have my Incubus leveled, I just unlocked it because ADS is OP and annoying -.-
that would be your problem
Minmatar is Winmatar
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saxonmish
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:47:00 -
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ADS vs. ADS -.-
nuff said ^
SLAYER.
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Vulpes Dolosus
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1879
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Posted - 2014.08.20 22:53:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You dont have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata. Why dont we all just play with paint balls then since killing people in a god damned shooter is apparently not winning but chasing them off for a few seconds is
Don't be narrow minded. There's more than one way to win. |
ladwar
HEARTS OF PHOENIX
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:03:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You do fit have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata. Yea that's what I did all of last game, but the pythons are near impossible to take out for me, when they fly up I either A. Fly up my self B. First person camera, but then they get out of range... I would just like to see an actual counter for these ***** things -.- I don't want to run counter ADS all game long.
Guess what, its a full time job, just like av is. Thats where your argument falls apart at. Counter are full time till what you are counter changes tactics or the game ends.
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Groz'zar Kazoku
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:12:00 -
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Its not so much that hes being narrow minded as he is pissed off. I can say. nailing it four to five times with swarmers is a little much. its to the point they can tank like tanks and fly dozens of times faster. so if your good at flying them. its literally impossible to kill them or damage them enough they don't just come back 10 seconds later. YOu say WP Pinata I say annoying and enjoyment killing. I would rather get less points and be done with it. I say we need something Light infantry can use to counter. Because not everyone wants to play a walking brick house just to finally finish them. Swarmers as they are work wonderfully against anything on the ground.... but in the air its a joke trying to shoot anything down. To be honest the missiles just need a speed buff so if you fired them before the boosters kicked in. it hits. but after misses. Not the fireing rate. But the missles movement speed. To be honest in rl you would never see missiles go that slow. IT needs something or make the swarmers ground targets only and make a new AV-Dropship weapon. |
Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:14:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You dont have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata. Why dont we all just play with paint balls then since killing people in a god damned shooter is apparently not winning but chasing them off for a few seconds is
If it's the difference between your team maintaing the high ground or not in order to do what they need to do on the ground,I'd say that's a win.
When I ADS, I don't go looking for kills (unless it's a stomp, in which case I will while my little bro does david anttenborouh impressions), I go usually to scare off tanks, transport lost, troops, keep the rooftops clear, keep the skies clear and generally **** people off enough that they change to AV to try and get me while my team slaughters them because they aren't looking.
I've gone matches with 3/0 but 800 WP I a dropship, I spent most of my time hitting uplinks and ant's nests in attempt to make life a little easier for those on the ground. If I do that successfully I call that a win.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3345
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:19:00 -
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Groz'zar Kazoku wrote:Its not so much that hes being narrow minded as he is pissed off. I can say. nailing it four to five times with swarmers is a little much. its to the point they can tank like tanks and fly dozens of times faster. so if your good at flying them. its literally impossible to kill them or damage them enough they don't just come back 10 seconds later. YOu say WP Pinata I say annoying and enjoyment killing. I would rather get less points and be done with it. I say we need something Light infantry can use to counter. Because not everyone wants to play a walking brick house just to finally finish them. Swarmers as they are work wonderfully against anything on the ground.... but in the air its a joke trying to shoot anything down. To be honest the missiles just need a speed buff so if you fired them before the boosters kicked in. it hits. but after misses. Not the fireing rate. But the missles movement speed. To be honest in rl you would never see missiles go that slow. IT needs something or make the swarmers ground targets only and make a new AV-Dropship weapon.
Yeah but if it's a simple as "One Application" where is the full scale war, where is the fairness for the pilot, who's doomed as soon as he gets within 100m of you?
Vehicles should be a constant they should be active all match, I'm not necessarily saying the one same vehicle, but I should expect to be seeing vehicles rock up for me to have my wicked AV ways with, on a regular basis.
People should be starting out in AV fits, not just running to the nearest depot as soon as you hear that bolas.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:37:00 -
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Odds are I'll crash into something and die during a ADS Vs ADS fight simply because the crap camera angles we get. Had a match long duel with another rail incubus it was just an exercise in futility. Now if I can get the drop on em with my fit that includes are damage mod over a AB it can be over quick, if not I am at a severe disadvantage with no AB.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:45:00 -
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ladwar wrote:ImIvan wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You do fit have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata. Yea that's what I did all of last game, but the pythons are near impossible to take out for me, when they fly up I either A. Fly up my self B. First person camera, but then they get out of range... I would just like to see an actual counter for these ***** things -.- I don't want to run counter ADS all game long. Guess what, its a full time job, just like av is. Thats where your argument falls apart at. Counter are full time till what you are counter changes tactics or the game ends.
Your missing the point, I don't think that the counter for ADS should be ADS itself, which is not very effective unless you are completely speced into them. They can easily kill infantry, Tanks, and normal dropships. The ADS only has 1 counter and that's itself, where as tanks have much more counters. This is where ADS is flawed. It is just simply OP, compare it to tanks. It can move very fast, outrun swarms, FLY, and depending on what ship you are using, it can shoot a rocket launcher/railgun extremely fast.
Why must you use prototypes?
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3104
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:51:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Rail incubus > Missile Python > Missile Incubus
Also, as long as you chase it away (and get 75 points), you've basically won. You dont have to kill it, just prevent it from doing what it wants to do. If it comes back, just beat it like a WP pi+Ķata.
This is why I don't use my whole mag of swarms on them. Just one will make them run like pansies. If not, then they're dead. |
anaboop
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:59:00 -
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my suggestion
I still stand by that suggestion.
I dont think the ads or ds needs a direct nerf, just something to slow them down, afterburner cooldown increase or something with regen.
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ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.21 01:14:00 -
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Incubus shooting a railgun faster than a rail rifle...camping my redline...making it impossible to call in any vehicle...sounds fair i guess... (5% ROF boost instead of 10% in my opinion, he had a second gunner on there too so I'm guessing they both had skills lvled)
Why must you use prototypes?
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ladwar
HEARTS OF PHOENIX
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Posted - 2014.08.21 01:32:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Incubus shooting a railgun faster than a rail rifle...camping my redline...making it impossible to call in any vehicle...sounds fair i guess... (5% ROF boost instead of 10% in my opinion, he had a second gunner on there too so I'm guessing they both had skills lvled)
Av is a counter to every vehicle
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
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Posted - 2014.08.21 02:47:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Incubus shooting a railgun faster than a rail rifle...camping my redline...making it impossible to call in any vehicle...sounds fair i guess... (5% ROF boost instead of 10% in my opinion, he had a second gunner on there too so I'm guessing they both had skills lvled)
Not as bad as having your incoming BPO LAV being destroyed by an orbital just because they had that many to spare. Things could be a lot worse on any given map.
Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.08.21 02:59:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:It's boring to ads vs ads, especially if there's bonus stacking going on... But lol if you can't kill a Python with a rail turret, you need to practice more. Probably because I don't have my Incubus leveled, I just unlocked it because ADS is OP and annoying -.-
Let me get this straight.
You comp!ain that pythons are impossible for you to kill, but are unwilling to skill into what will help you kill them.
Rest in peace, oh Captain, my Captain.
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ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.21 03:43:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:ImIvan wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:It's boring to ads vs ads, especially if there's bonus stacking going on... But lol if you can't kill a Python with a rail turret, you need to practice more. Probably because I don't have my Incubus leveled, I just unlocked it because ADS is OP and annoying -.- Let me get this straight. You comp!ain that pythons are impossible for you to kill, but are unwilling to skill into what will help you kill them.
I am skilling into it, I'm not spending AUR nor am I playing all the time in order to achieve this however, and the main point of this thread to to discuss on why and how ADS should be nerfed.
Why must you use prototypes?
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.21 03:48:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:ImIvan wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:It's boring to ads vs ads, especially if there's bonus stacking going on... But lol if you can't kill a Python with a rail turret, you need to practice more. Probably because I don't have my Incubus leveled, I just unlocked it because ADS is OP and annoying -.- Let me get this straight. You comp!ain that pythons are impossible for you to kill, but are unwilling to skill into what will help you kill them. I am skilling into it, I'm not spending AUR nor am I playing all the time in order to achieve this however, and the main point of this thread to to discuss on why and how ADS should be nerfed.
ADS don't need a nerf as they already are paper thin as is especially with the crap collision damage for shields verse armor.
Earn your kill.
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Dergle
Kiith Sobani
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:01:00 -
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If you can't take out a python w an inc than you must suck at flying. All it takes to get away from you is after burning away? Haha the inc has a way faster top speed than the pie, sounds like the OPoster needs a lesson on how to pilot hahaha
Less QQ, more PEW PEW
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ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:05:00 -
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Dergle wrote:If you can't take out a python w an inc than you must suck at flying. All it takes to get away from you is after burning away? Haha the inc has a way faster top speed than the pie, sounds like the OPoster needs a lesson on how to pilot hahaha
I'm sorry im not MLG? Still does not change the fact that ADS needs a nerf. Tanks cant do much, infantry cant, and installations cant. To those who say that they are "Squishy", they are not, you have to suck at flying to get taken down by infantry/tank/installation. Python it the only 1 that takes a **** ton of collision damage, but why the hell are you running into walls in the first place?
Why must you use prototypes?
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M1A1 Blaster Master
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:21:00 -
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Wasn't there supposed to be fighters in this game? You all know the cutscene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzVjggarRns&list=PLul12rRxdZ18l3XIoKhKB_gtX9PN3ZI9z. Yeah remember that? Then there is this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tASM8P6c16c&index=6&list=PLul12rRxdZ18l3XIoKhKB_gtX9PN3ZI9z weren't we supposed to be able to shoot into space by now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw0gOjOWDuI&index=7&list=PLul12rRxdZ18l3XIoKhKB_gtX9PN3ZI9z
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:27:00 -
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ImIvan wrote:Dergle wrote:If you can't take out a python w an inc than you must suck at flying. All it takes to get away from you is after burning away? Haha the inc has a way faster top speed than the pie, sounds like the OPoster needs a lesson on how to pilot hahaha I'm sorry im not MLG? Still does not change the fact that ADS needs a nerf. Tanks cant do much, infantry cant, and installations cant. To those who say that they are "Squishy", they are not, you have to suck at flying to get taken down by infantry/tank/installation. Python it the only 1 that takes a **** ton of collision damage, but why the hell are you running into walls in the first place?
They maybe running into walls because of the amount of force swarm launchers, forge guns or rail cannons are knocking them around and the ADS pilot lost control also Gorgon suicide runs.
ADS don't need a nerf as there is a lot of factors that a pilot needs to watch out for just to stay alive while supporting the team. You on the other hand can just dive into cover or cloak up.
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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ImIvan
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:29:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:ImIvan wrote:Dergle wrote:If you can't take out a python w an inc than you must suck at flying. All it takes to get away from you is after burning away? Haha the inc has a way faster top speed than the pie, sounds like the OPoster needs a lesson on how to pilot hahaha I'm sorry im not MLG? Still does not change the fact that ADS needs a nerf. Tanks cant do much, infantry cant, and installations cant. To those who say that they are "Squishy", they are not, you have to suck at flying to get taken down by infantry/tank/installation. Python it the only 1 that takes a **** ton of collision damage, but why the hell are you running into walls in the first place? They maybe running into walls because of the amount of force swarm launchers, forge guns or rail cannons are knocking them around and the ADS pilot lost control also Gorgon suicide runs. ADS don't need a nerf as there is a lot of factors that a pilot needs to watch out for just to stay alive while supporting the team. You on the other hand can just dive into cover or cloak up.
Do you fly ADS? Just wondering...I rarely die due to infantry/running into walls though, the main thing that kills me is ramming into my MCC when fleeing XD ADS is amazingly easy to fly, all I'm looking for is a speed debuff.
Why must you use prototypes?
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:34:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:ImIvan wrote:Dergle wrote:If you can't take out a python w an inc than you must suck at flying. All it takes to get away from you is after burning away? Haha the inc has a way faster top speed than the pie, sounds like the OPoster needs a lesson on how to pilot hahaha I'm sorry im not MLG? Still does not change the fact that ADS needs a nerf. Tanks cant do much, infantry cant, and installations cant. To those who say that they are "Squishy", they are not, you have to suck at flying to get taken down by infantry/tank/installation. Python it the only 1 that takes a **** ton of collision damage, but why the hell are you running into walls in the first place? They maybe running into walls because of the amount of force swarm launchers, forge guns or rail cannons are knocking them around and the ADS pilot lost control also Gorgon suicide runs. ADS don't need a nerf as there is a lot of factors that a pilot needs to watch out for just to stay alive while supporting the team. You on the other hand can just dive into cover or cloak up.
I think the ADS does need a review. Remember, I proto AV too. And in this build my swarms are not as effective against an ADS as they could be, not so much damage but the engagement sphere.
Skilled AV use should stack the engagement in favor of AV
Skilled ADS use should stack the engagement in the pilots favor
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:40:00 -
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My preferred solution is getting a friend and both using breach forge guns.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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