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Malleus Malificorum wrote:

Apothecary Za'ki wrote:

im a logi, i bring more then enough support then 4 people or 2 scouts can (reffering to equipment slots)
plenty of people spawn vehicles anyway but i get into the filth waste deep to perform the 5 R's of LogiBro-ness
but even i know 1 person cannot carry an entire team to victory when the team equates to something a-kin to wrangling cats with out the aid of milk or fishy treats or chicken......which whenever i seem to have gone amarr or caldari seems to be the case.

usually blue on blue action and/or the opposing force has complete domination, no close matches or anything.. but that being said when i went minmatar for the short time i was doing it we won all games near flawlessly with little challenge(aka boring) for atleast 5 rounds, at which time i bought a bunch of proto FW dropsuits and took a break..

so all in all FW is in a bleak state of affares even if the underdogs manage to get a couple wins in a row its a sparrows tear in a bucket of water in comparason.. match makeing needs updateing so Queue syncing cannot be done.

All I'm seeing is QQ. Equipment is one step towards winning a match, but you still need to be willing to do the things that need doing as soon as you notice them, because if you don't no one else will. Rooftop uplinks? Best get up there and kill them. Vehicles? Better have a swarm launcher. No one holding an objective? Switch to a scout suit and lurk (in fact if you want to play solo in FW scouts are a great option and commando's with av secondaries work very well too).

As far as queue syncing goes - It isn't the reason you're losing, nor is it the reason the enemy team is winning. A single good squad can win faction warfare quite easily. I've seen plenty of matches where 2 full squads ran into one 4 man squad and got destroyed.

And FYI having 4 equipment slots is meaningless - I'd rather have 4 players with basic drop uplinks creating multiple reinforcement routes. Logi's can be a great role and asset to the team, but they function best in squads, a solo logi will almost never impact FW, but a solo scout defending a point (particularly an amarr or gallente scout) is an absolute ****ing terror.

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Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 84	Posted - 2014.08.20 14:32:00 - [31] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: im a logi, i bring more then enough support then 4 people or 2 scouts can (reffering to equipment slots) plenty of people spawn vehicles anyway but i get into the filth waste deep to perform the 5 R's of LogiBro-ness but even i know 1 person cannot carry an entire team to victory when the team equates to something a-kin to wrangling cats with out the aid of milk or fishy treats or chicken......which whenever i seem to have gone amarr or caldari seems to be the case. usually blue on blue action and/or the opposing force has complete domination, no close matches or anything.. but that being said when i went minmatar for the short time i was doing it we won all games near flawlessly with little challenge(aka boring) for atleast 5 rounds, at which time i bought a bunch of proto FW dropsuits and took a break.. so all in all FW is in a bleak state of affares even if the underdogs manage to get a couple wins in a row its a sparrows tear in a bucket of water in comparason.. match makeing needs updateing so Queue syncing cannot be done. All I'm seeing is QQ. Equipment is one step towards winning a match, but you still need to be willing to do the things that need doing as soon as you notice them, because if you don't no one else will. Rooftop uplinks? Best get up there and kill them. Vehicles? Better have a swarm launcher. No one holding an objective? Switch to a scout suit and lurk (in fact if you want to play solo in FW scouts are a great option and commando's with av secondaries work very well too). As far as queue syncing goes - It isn't the reason you're losing, nor is it the reason the enemy team is winning, claiming that is is a pathetic excuse. A single good squad can win faction warfare quite easily. I've seen plenty of matches where 2 full squads ran into one 4 man squad and got destroyed. Queue syncing to me is a non issue - if you want to do it okay whatever but I typically find it more economical to have squads affiliated with my faction in different matches so that we're taking more ground than the other faction. And FYI having 4 equipment slots is meaningless - I'd rather have 4 players with basic drop uplinks creating multiple reinforcement routes. Logi's can be a great role and asset to the team, but they function best in squads, a solo logi will almost never impact FW, but a solo scout defending a point (particularly an amarr or gallente scout) is an absolute ****ing terror. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 577	Posted - 2014.08.20 14:35:00 - [32] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: im a logi, i bring more then enough support then 4 people or 2 scouts can (reffering to equipment slots) plenty of people spawn vehicles anyway but i get into the filth waste deep to perform the 5 R's of LogiBro-ness but even i know 1 person cannot carry an entire team to victory when the team equates to something a-kin to wrangling cats with out the aid of milk or fishy treats or chicken......which whenever i seem to have gone amarr or caldari seems to be the case. usually blue on blue action and/or the opposing force has complete domination, no close matches or anything.. but that being said when i went minmatar for the short time i was doing it we won all games near flawlessly with little challenge(aka boring) for atleast 5 rounds, at which time i bought a bunch of proto FW dropsuits and took a break.. so all in all FW is in a bleak state of affares even if the underdogs manage to get a couple wins in a row its a sparrows tear in a bucket of water in comparason.. match makeing needs updateing so Queue syncing cannot be done. All I'm seeing is QQ. Equipment is one step towards winning a match, but you still need to be willing to do the things that need doing as soon as you notice them, because if you don't no one else will. Rooftop uplinks? Best get up there and kill them. Vehicles? Better have a swarm launcher. No one holding an objective? Switch to a scout suit and lurk (in fact if you want to play solo in FW scouts are a great option and commando's with av secondaries work very well too). As far as queue syncing goes - It isn't the reason you're losing, nor is it the reason the enemy team is winning. A single good squad can win faction warfare quite easily. I've seen plenty of matches where 2 full squads ran into one 4 man squad and got destroyed. And FYI having 4 equipment slots is meaningless - I'd rather have 4 players with basic drop uplinks creating multiple reinforcement routes. Logi's can be a great role and asset to the team, but they function best in squads, a solo logi will almost never impact FW, but a solo scout defending a point (particularly an amarr or gallente scout) is an absolute **ing terror. i do what i can even playing "sapper" but like i said.. in previous posts Queue syncing just kills FW and on top of that the imbalance of players (more higher sp players in gal/min) leaves just die hards and low sp-ers to pad the numbers aka bend over and take a loss in the A just so the gal and min FWers can rub one out and feel good about how they won with out even loseing 25% of their shields or what ever [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah**
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 84	Posted - 2014.08.20 14:42:00 - [33] - Quote Queue syncing doesn't affect anything. You play solo and expect to have an impact and you are wrong to expect that because a single squad has far more impact than 10 solo players (unless they're all people like Mr Mustard). Any one squad of decent players with a good sense of how a battle flows will beat the snot out of 2 synced squads, unless they're synced squads of badasses, which you could still easily end up with even without queue syncing. The problem isn't with queue syncing. It's with your idea that you can accomplish things going it solo. Solo logi's are worthless - Having four equipment slots isn't anything amazing because you can't be in four places on the map placing uplinks at once. If you want to win, you need to interact with other people who also want to win FW. If you want to be a pubstar solo logi, stick to ambush where you can earn 2billion points from 2 uplinks. You want to complain about blueberries? If you're not in a squad you are one. Weep not poor children, For life is this way, Murdering beauty and passion.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 577	Posted - 2014.08.20 14:43:00 - [34] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Mejt0 wrote: 1. Sad truth. Caldari Fraction have dumbest blueberries. They are just terribad. 2. Qsync on FW is something like PC practise/fun. Dont except to win vs good squad/squads without help of squad/team. 3. People also play for caldari. Not so often like for gal/matar but still they/we are. 4. Have fun. Its not always about wining. #2 needs to be "fixed" as for #4 loseing constantly or winning with out effort is not FUN in my book FW is basically PC light. Why do you think FF is turned on? Why do you think there are better rewards? You want the good stuff? Be willing to risk for it. Put some good gear and ISK on the line. i do.. L4 logi gear and proto LP suit is best i can atm but despite this it always seems; at least when ever i decide to do FW, that cal and amarr always lose and by a big margin.. iv yet to experance one of these fabled "WINs" for cal or amarr.. as for amarr and cal i run them on my just barely advanced gear baby logis with L3 gear tho i have tried with my main logi too and still no difference in the result. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4611	Posted - 2014.08.20 14:46:00 - [35] - Quote I actually got a winning streak with Caldari during the day rather than late at night when I would usually play. It's more about interest in the game mode that is the issue. I'm guessing that if there was caldari scout dropsuits and the racial sentinels in the faction store more people would actually play. Heck, Amarr has FOUR different dropsuits in their store...I don't see why it wouldn't be more popular. It also has a much more dedicated channel than minmatar. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 577	Posted - 2014.08.20 14:50:00 - [36] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Queue syncing doesn't affect anything. You play solo and expect to have an impact and you are wrong to expect that because a single squad has far more impact than 10 solo players (unless they're all people like Mr Mustard). Any one squad of decent players with a good sense of how a battle flows will beat the snot out of 2 synced squads, unless they're synced squads of badasses, which you could still easily end up with even without queue syncing. The problem isn't with queue syncing. It's with your idea that you can accomplish things going it solo. Solo logi's are worthless - Having four equipment slots isn't anything amazing because you can't be in four places on the map placing uplinks at once. If you want to win, you need to interact with other people who also want to win FW. If you want to be a pubstar logi, stick to ambush where you can earn 2billion points from 2 uplinks. You want to complain about blueberries? You are one. your thinking im running liek a solo slayer logi of old.. and i dont always solo thats when im on my baby alts that i sometimes solo cause they got less to lose and i highly doubt meny single squads will beat Q-syncers and i hate ambush.. and fyi noobcakes uplinks in ambush can cause more deaths/losses cause smart deploy dosnt take into account hostiles camping uplinks, i prefer hives reps and rezzes, keeping my peeps alive is more important then letting them die just to come back and die again.. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Thumb Green Raymond James Corp 1265	Posted - 2014.08.20 14:57:00 - [37] - Quote If it makes you feel better the Gallente were getting their dicks kicked in for a couple of hours yesterday. At the RJC we don't kick ass, we kick dick and we kick it hard. Kill Scotty
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 577	Posted - 2014.08.20 15:02:00 - [38] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I actually got a winning streak with Caldari during the day rather than late at night when I would usually play. It's more about interest in the game mode that is the issue. I'm guessing that if there was caldari scout dropsuits and the racial sentinels in the faction store more people would actually play. Heck, Amarr has FOUR different dropsuits in their store...I don't see why it wouldn't be more popular. It also has a much more dedicated channel than minmatar. as much as id like to agree with you shayz this FW thing stems from the EVE-O meta of gallente and minmatar winnning / being dominant in FW there too.. as for amar having the dropsuits.. yes i did wonder that but still nothing but losses when i have been there on my amarr alt..or caldari fw losses when on caldari alt.. and with how seeming OP amarr assault is atm i would have thought the FOTM chasers would have already been grinding amarr like a horny jack Russel humps legs. as for the caldari win streak.. thats still a drop in the ocean.. like one guy said gallente got beaten a whole 2 times Woooo.. thats nothing when gall win pretty much constantly save the rare times they drop the ball of which i believe is probably aorund the time you must have been running cal-fw shayz i guess im frustrated at the fact being curb stomped or being on the team handing out the curb stomp just dosnt feel fun in the slightest, i do have more fun in normal matchmakeing because i have had some great games which have been really down to the wire.. as for FW i do like there being friendly fire as it adds a whole other level of difficulty while i can appreciate. even if ccp was to populate all the factions LP stores with all the items it still wouldnt make much differance i bet as EVE meta knocks on into Dust meta so it would still be gal and min shrugging off cal and amarrs once in a blue moon victory(s) [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 577	Posted - 2014.08.20 15:08:00 - [39] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: If it makes you feel better the Gallente were getting their dicks kicked in for a couple of hours yesterday. tbh it dosnt.. i would prefer a good hard fight where it actually feels like every CRU hacked.. every uplink popped.. every person repped up to full.. placing down ammo in good locations (not around the supply silo).. throwing out scans.. rezzing people.. where every little bit makes it feel like your helping to WIN.. and not just being a Fluffer for Egos, which sadly is the case like 90% of the time if not more. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
zzZaXxx D3ATH CARD 425	Posted - 2014.08.20 15:16:00 - [40] - Quote OP you should never go into FW without a full squad. Preferably queu sync two.

Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 577	Posted - 2014.08.20 15:20:00 - [41] - Quote zzZaXxx wrote: OP you should never go into FW without a full squad. Preferably queu sync two. queue-syncing, i view it as an exploit as its a way to circumvent the matchmakeing system. as for joining squads i do "hot-drop" into squads with free room but if its on cal/amarr side it always seems to be a complete pushed back to the MCC type fight.. or even worse we dont even get to cap a single thing.. that is why cal and amarr fw hardly have any good players.. its cause they all join min/gal cause they too are sick of being steamrolled. [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17257	Posted - 2014.08.20 15:23:00 - [42] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: queue-syncing, i view it as an exploit as its a way to circumvent the matchmakeing system. 'Matchmaking system'. There isn't one. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. 'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 577	Posted - 2014.08.20 15:26:00 - [43] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: queue-syncing, i view it as an exploit as its a way to circumvent the matchmakeing system. 'Matchmaking system'. There isn't one. i seem to recall ccp mentioning they were working on the queue syncing "issue" tho fo them that could mean months while were only receiving hotfixes [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6586	Posted - 2014.08.21 19:31:00 - [44] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I actually got a winning streak with Caldari during the day rather than late at night when I would usually play. It's more about interest in the game mode that is the issue. I'm guessing that if there was caldari scout dropsuits and the racial sentinels in the faction store more people would actually play. Heck, Amarr has FOUR different dropsuits in their store...I don't see why it wouldn't be more popular. It also has a much more dedicated channel than minmatar. We have a channel? I thought they all died. Send me a message in game for the channel. I'll join. Been Merc'ing for the Gallente for the past week. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 381	Posted - 2014.08.21 20:08:00 - [45] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: RPing in eve/dust just dosnt feel right, atleast till WiS comes in to EVE. Don't hold your breath
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13005	Posted - 2014.08.21 20:50:00 - [46] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: faction war isnt fun and if you sign up as cal or amarr is nearly always a guaranteed loss I don't remember loosing a single Amarr FW match when PCLAS gets on the field. It's really a shame FW is not a ****** up farmville, that remains a pointless endeavour with no tangible benefits what so ever for a broken, half finished game. When any of you start working EVE side let me know.... I might decide to care. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17322	Posted - 2014.08.21 20:50:00 - [47] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: faction war isnt fun and if you sign up as cal or amarr is nearly always a guaranteed loss I don't remember loosing a single Amarr FW match when PCLAS gets on the field. It's really a shame FW is not a ****** up farmville, that remains a pointless endeavour with no tangible benefits what so ever for a broken, half finished game. When any of you start working EVE side let me know.... I might decide to care. I lost one with you on my side. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. 'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 853	Posted - 2014.08.21 20:51:00 - [48] - Quote We win roughly 85 out of every 100 Amarr battles. We take 12 people minimum into roughly 90 out of every 100 battles. We bring orbital support to roughly 70 out of every 100 battles. Coincidence? NO, Teamwork is certainly OP and should be nerfed immediately. If going into Amarr please take a minimum of 6 people as it is really not cool having all these randoms giving away our districts while we are busy taking more. If you need a Q-Sync channel for Amarr feel free to message me.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 13005	Posted - 2014.08.21 21:09:00 - [49] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: True Adamance wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: faction war isnt fun and if you sign up as cal or amarr is nearly always a guaranteed loss I don't remember loosing a single Amarr FW match when PCLAS gets on the field. It's really a shame FW is not a ****** up farmville, that remains a pointless endeavour with no tangible benefits what so ever for a broken, half finished game. When any of you start working EVE side let me know.... I might decide to care. I lost one with you on my side. You do Amarr FW? When? "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4330	Posted - 2014.08.21 21:26:00 - [50] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: OP you should never go into FW without a full squad. Preferably queu sync two. queue-syncing, i view it as an exploit as its a way to circumvent the matchmakeing system. as for joining squads i do "hot-drop" into squads with free room but if its on cal/amarr side it always seems to be a complete pushed back to the MCC type fight.. or even worse we dont even get to cap a single thing.. that is why cal and amarr fw hardly have any good players.. its cause they all join min/gal cause they too are sick of being steamrolled. What about "there is no matchmaking in FW" are you not understanding? Do we need to get crayons out? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3892	Posted - 2014.08.21 21:48:00 - [51] - Quote 1) Join channel 2) Don't play for the Amarr during daytime hours in the US (for whatever reason, that's been a losing proposition as long as I can remember) 3) ???? 4) Profit Admittedly, 8 months ago, if you weren't rolling with PCLAS or Cubs, you were screwed in Amarr FW. But, with a recent influx of talent like Deezy's crew, nighttime in the US continues to be pretty much a steamroll for the Empire. (and yes, sorry to say it True, the winning percentage is pretty high, but I remember some losses in squads with you. Hell, I even lost 2 in a row with Cubs' squad on the field one night. That was shocking to say the least, but it was against 15 Ultramarines so I guess it shouldn't have been) As for Caldari, well, sometimes Hellstorm and a couple guys from my corp play there and I can get a good fight with them. Otherwise, yeah, it's kindof a lost cause. Malleus' comment about the lack of a single channel was hilariously accurate. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 856	Posted - 2014.08.21 21:50:00 - [52] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: zzZaXxx wrote: OP you should never go into FW without a full squad. Preferably queu sync two. queue-syncing, i view it as an exploit as its a way to circumvent the matchmakeing system. as for joining squads i do "hot-drop" into squads with free room but if its on cal/amarr side it always seems to be a complete pushed back to the MCC type fight.. or even worse we dont even get to cap a single thing.. that is why cal and amarr fw hardly have any good players.. its cause they all join min/gal cause they too are sick of being steamrolled. What about "there is no matchmaking in FW" are you not understanding? Do we need to get crayons out? LOL some people dont bother to look at how something works before griping. FW match CREATION as it could be better called is built almost specifically to support q-syncing. You are able to choose which side of the battle you want and priority for entering the match is given to squads. Feel free to search past dev blogs to confirm this. If you want matchmaking go back to pubs. If you want a fight get a real group of players together and go hope that someone has done the same on the opposite side. I left all my crayons out in the sun so I had to just type it instead.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 858	Posted - 2014.08.21 22:00:00 - [53] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 1) Join channel 2) Don't play for the Amarr during daytime hours in the US (for whatever reason, that's been a losing proposition as long as I can remember) 3) ???? 4) Profit Admittedly, 8 months ago, if you weren't rolling with PCLAS or Cubs, you were screwed in Amarr FW. But, with a recent influx of talent like Deezy's crew, nighttime in the US continues to be pretty much a steamroll for the Empire. (and yes, sorry to say it True, the winning percentage is pretty high, but I remember some losses in squads with you. Hell, I even lost 2 in a row with Cubs' squad on the field one night. That was shocking to say the least, but it was against 15 Ultramarines so I guess it shouldn't have been) As for Caldari, well, sometimes Hellstorm and a couple guys from my corp play there and I can get a good fight with them. Otherwise, yeah, it's kindof a lost cause. Malleus' comment about the lack of a single channel was hilariously accurate. Blush..... hahaha I operate on a simple premise that 3 things are necessary for a win in this game. In order of importance: 1. Numbers (more players coordinating than on the opposite side) 2. Coordination 3. Gear (aka SP) In factional 2 of these 3 things MUST exist or you are wasting your time. Obviously in PC that would be different due to the fact that all 3 have been obtained and the right equipment must be used to form a complete team as well as having skilled players.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 3892	Posted - 2014.08.21 22:03:00 - [54] - Quote That said, you may not have noticed, but I only use ADV level gear other than some of my logi equipment. The other 2 are pretty important though. (and you're welcome) Also, I agree with you that we don't need matchmaking per se in FW, but, lets be honest, there is no matchmaking in pubs. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 858	Posted - 2014.08.21 22:11:00 - [55] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: That said, you may not have noticed, but I only use ADV level gear other than some of my logi equipment. The other 2 are pretty important though. (and you're welcome) Also, I agree with you that we don't need matchmaking per se in FW, but, lets be honest, there is no matchmaking in pubs. Gear is third because it only comes into play as something needed if one of the other principles fall short. Also, agreed matchmaking in pubs is a rouse at best in most cases but it is an attempt because it is meant to be there. This is why on a weekly basis I run 10-15 pubs maximum and 40-50 factionals minimum. Soon we will have our daytime crew back running at its former glory as well so that we can keep things on track taking districts faster than randoms can give them back. The influx to FW brought by Charlie forced some alterations to my plans which will come to light over the next couple of weeks.
ImIvan 3	Posted - 2014.08.22 00:04:00 - [56] - Quote Meh, I just hate how you get crap for losing. Either the other side runs proto, or your side does. Why must you use prototypes?


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