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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:52:00 -
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But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one.
Why?
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2889
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:53:00 -
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I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. |
Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:55:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. Yeah he thinks he is right but he isnt.
Why?
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
429
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:58:00 -
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A videogame has no relation with real life bro. Yes this game is a bit more strategy involved and plenty brutal but the war.concept is nowhere close to an actual war.
No to the logi stat.
Frankly dude, I really dont know what you're rambling about
Saying what's on people's minds
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2490
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:58:00 -
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Except he is.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:00:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Except he is. No you arent and ill laugh when ccp removes kdr.
Why?
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2490
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:02:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Except he is. No you arent and ill laugh when ccp removes kdr. Kdr matchmaking removes kdr, you can laugh then.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men.
2621
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:03:00 -
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Replace kill and death with isk gained vs isk lost
In eve universe death isn't the end, Bankruptacy is the closest thing to the end
Bring These Back
Tanker Turned Ads Pilot
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:07:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Replace kill and death with isk gained vs isk lost
In eve universe death isn't the end, Bankruptacy is the closest thing to the end This is great too.
Why?
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:09:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Except he is. No you arent and ill laugh when ccp removes kdr. Kdr matchmaking removes kdr, you can laugh then. Are you a logi? Probably not. Like i said not everyone is a slayer so its a stupid way to judge people.
Why?
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2490
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:10:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Replace kill and death with isk gained vs isk lost
In eve universe death isn't the end, Bankruptacy is the closest thing to the end This is great too. In before Bpo/starter fit adjustment.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2484
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:14:00 -
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Damn!
Dust Loyalist
Greedy Bastards
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:15:00 -
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GJR tell this guy why kdr matcaking is a stupid idea.
Why?
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
472
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:17:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one.
There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8.
Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are.
Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. |
Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
1574
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:17:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real. |
Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
2484
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:17:00 -
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Because it doesn't take any tacos into account, that's why. Not enough delightful spicyness involved.
Dust Loyalist
Greedy Bastards
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2892
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:19:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real.
He should try actually defending his point sometimes.
Honestly I don't even remember the guy's name, just his stupid suggestion. |
Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:24:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture. So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too.
Why?
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:24:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture. So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too.
Why?
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
754
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:24:00 -
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You all have the right to remain silent. Please use it.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
472
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:31:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture. So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too.
Sorry I have a nasty habit of editing my posts as I think more on the subject. Here's a part you missed:
"Not everything is about killing in a first person shooter war game!"
It's always about killing, varying roles are about helping your team to kill. When's the last time a team not killing anyone won a match? I've never seen one side go 150/75 and the 75 side win by MCC destruction. I've seen like 40/75 with 40 winning by MCC destruction but that implies that the 75 side couldn't apply enough pressure and taking objectives. Again, all comes back to killin'.
If your 4000 wp and 0/0 helps the team win then sure. But I have a sneaky suspicion you would be more helpful if you actually killed some people from time to time. Honestly you shouldn't worry about a kd/r matchmaking system if you are really good at this game and just have a bad kd/r because you are a logi you will become a god until you equalize and reach your actual level of play. It will be like the battle academy all over again.
To answer your question yes, everyone should be slayers. When I use my mobile command center logi with nanos and uplinks I still plan to be a slayer and when I use a medic suit I still plan to be a slayer. You should always be aiming to kill the enemy when you can. |
saxonmish
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
214
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:32:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one.
This game is a FPS which means First Person Shooter, Also i kknow alot of logi's who have a 2.0 plus KDR and being a former cod player this game is alot easier tbh. Character*
SLAYER.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
302
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:35:00 -
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saxonmish wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. This game is a FPS which means First Person Shooter, Also i kknow alot of logi's who have a 2.0 plus KDR and being a former cod player this game is alot easier tbh. Character* This is easier thatn cod? You men the game where 2 bullets kill people right? Cod is one of the easiest fps' to play why do you think more 9 year olds play it than dust.
Why?
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
3074
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:45:00 -
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Mmmm.
Black cod. |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
472
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:45:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:saxonmish wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. This game is a FPS which means First Person Shooter, Also i kknow alot of logi's who have a 2.0 plus KDR and being a former cod player this game is alot easier tbh. Character* This is easier thatn cod? You men the game where 2 bullets kill people right? Cod is one of the easiest fps' to play why do you think more 9 year olds play it than dust.
More any age play CoD then Dust that's a bad analogy lol. In CoD to be good you have to be quick to react and have great awareness. In CoD you can get lucky and hit a guy, but the people that consistently go 30/0 in CoD aren't lucky. In Dust, you could roll a tank or a heavy in a hmg and get away with being oblivious to your surroundings and generally bad at aiming and come out with a 30/0 score.
Or do what most people do, squad up and pick on newberries in their proto fits then circle jerk to their 30/0 or 30/8 kd/rs.
I've yet to see a match where a group squadded up in militia gear and went 30/0 or 30/8 against proto randoms. It just never happens. Not even the best corps in the history of Dust can pull that off. Because much of the good and bad players are essentially determined by SP. That's why you won't see Nyain San letting in guys with 10 mil sp or whoever consider themselves to be top dogs these days (I know Nyain San doesn't really play competitively now.) |
PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
733
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:47:00 -
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Bad logi's making excuses for sucking.
Do you need to stand with a rep tool in your hand 24/7, or a nanite, or even a hive? No? You do hold your gun?
Why not try using it? Concentrated DPS is as useful as healing, if not more so.
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
3214
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:50:00 -
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I have to agree with Sota on this one. You see these threads pop up every couple weeks by a guy with no gun game saying "this game has so much depth than cod and kdr is irrelevant".
No... in fact.. in the words of the wise and all-powerful Regnyum "KDR > EVERYTHING".
No truer words have ever been spoken... if you have a bad KDR then you are a bad player. Its okay though... don't feel too bad about it. Not everyone can be good afterall right?
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
756
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:51:00 -
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You can be good at Dust but suck at CoD. You can't be good at CoD but suck at Dust.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Derpty Derp
Dead Man's Game
317
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:56:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life
I stopped here... |
Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
756
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:01:00 -
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Derpty Derp wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life I stopped here...
Right!? How is it like real life? My merc quarters doesn't have a toilet or jerk off station. This future sucks!
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
302
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:02:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Bad logi's making excuses for sucking.
Do you need to stand with a rep tool in your hand 24/7, or a nanite, or even a hive? No? You do hold your gun?
Why not try using it? Concentrated DPS is as useful as healing, if not more so.
Im not even a logi and im speaking for more than just myself. Logis shouldnt go looking for fights they should stay with their heavy and the heavy should look for the fight. If it comes to it and i have to kill someone in my logi i will but i dont go picking fights in my logi.
Why?
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
302
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Posted - 2014.08.19 21:04:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life I stopped here... Right!? How is it like real life? My merc quarters doesn't have a toilet or jerk off station. This future sucks! In real life we have medics and vehicles and vehicle specialists cod doesn't.
Why?
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2490
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:36:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture. So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too. Sorry I have a nasty habit of editing my posts as I think more on the subject. Here's a part you missed: "Not everything is about killing in a first person shooter war game!" It's always about killing, varying roles are about helping your team to kill. When's the last time a team not killing anyone won a match? I've never seen one side go 150/75 and the 75 side win by MCC destruction. I've seen like 40/75 with 40 winning by MCC destruction but that implies that the 75 side couldn't apply enough pressure and taking objectives. Again, all comes back to killin'. If your 4000 wp and 0/0 helps the team win then sure. But I have a sneaky suspicion you would be more helpful if you actually killed some people from time to time. Honestly you shouldn't worry about a kd/r matchmaking system if you are really good at this game and just have a bad kd/r because you are a logi you will become a god until you equalize and reach your actual level of play. It will be like the battle academy all over again. To answer your question yes, everyone should be slayers. When I use my mobile command center logi with nanos and uplinks I still plan to be a slayer and when I use a medic suit I still plan to be a slayer. You should always be aiming to kill the enemy when you can. He's going to burn out a brain cell trying to not get something put far more eloquently than I could have... but not as succinctly.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2490
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:41:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Bad logi's making excuses for sucking.
Do you need to stand with a rep tool in your hand 24/7, or a nanite, or even a hive? No? You do hold your gun?
Why not try using it? Concentrated DPS is as useful as healing, if not more so.
Im not even a logi and im speaking for more than just myself. Logis shouldnt go looking for fights they should stay with their heavy and the heavy should look for the fight. If it comes to it and i have to kill someone in my logi i will but i dont go picking fights in my logi. Player says they aren't a logi. Player describes how they run logi.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3327
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:43:00 -
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Personally I judge people on their WP/D ratio, If they are achieving 50WP per death they are pulling their weight per death. Personally nowadays I pull between 300-400 WP per death on average which for me, means I'm worth 8 peoples deaths.
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
3327
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:00:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:Bad logi's making excuses for sucking.
Do you need to stand with a rep tool in your hand 24/7, or a nanite, or even a hive? No? You do hold your gun?
Why not try using it? Concentrated DPS is as useful as healing, if not more so.
Or prehaps their are more important things than simply killing people. You could win a skirmish with out killing a single person (potentially) Domination is won by uplinks Ambushes have been won and lost because of one good logi with a needle.
Futhermore unless your running a slayer fit, you just aren't built for 1v1 engagements, you are going to loose. I mean do you really expect logis to win out against 800-900 eHP assaults or cut through 900-1100 eHP sentinels? I have logi fits with less than 400 eHP I have eWAR fits with less than 400 eHP I spend more of my time jn a dropship destroying uplinks, chasing away tanks and transporting infantry.
Yet I'm regularly their in the top 5 pulling in more warpoints than the 40/3 slayers carving around in wolfpacks!
They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank!
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
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Hakyou Brutor
Pure Evil.
1083
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:12:00 -
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False. irl K/D > All |
Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
286
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:15:00 -
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inb4 snipers vs snipers matches.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Ghosts Chance
Inf4m0us
2084
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:16:00 -
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why are people still posting about KDR?
KRD isnt relevent and never was none of us pros even look at the stat and i havnt seen any competitive team use KDR to value its members except Zatara when his team loses and thats just because he cant make a battle plan to save his life and vents it on others when things dont quite go according to the non-exsistant plan.
KDR doesnt matter, so stop posting on the forums that it doesnt matter because really if you care that much about KDR that your coming on the forums to ***** about KDR whores then your no different then they are.
Minmatar is Winmatar
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Onesimus Tarsus
is-a-Corporation
2490
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:22:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real. He should try actually defending his point sometimes. Honestly I don't even remember the guy's name, just his stupid suggestion. No one can remember, or pronounce my name. That said:
Player A, for whatever reason, is 15/2 KDR for the first hypothetical match. So is player B.
A and B meet on opposite sides and start pew pew. A kills B. A is now 16/2, B is 15/3.
If matchmaking is purely by KDR (not that it's the only relevant stat, just the one that most jarringly separates stompers from stompees), then A and B are that much less likely to meet again (with population being a big factor) unless their KDRs are somehow re-matched by wins/losses to other players. After a few thousand people have done this for a while, striation of KDR occurs and people generally only meet people of their lethality (KDR over time). Because of this, stomping simply stops. Every match is closely contested and the margin of victory thins.
Then it gets interesting. KDR has been largely negated as a stat that wins matches, and other, more nuanced factors begin to emerge. Capturing points, repping heavies, needling corpses effectively all become vastly more important than before, because they are the new difference. WPs matter so much more because one well-placed (or poorly placed) orbital can be the only difference in winning and losing.
Gear gets chewed up at a phenomenal rate for all but the Starter Fits and BPO crowd, but payouts match expense far more closely than before. FOTM is basically just another way to jack your KDR up to a place where you get your teeth caved in while wearing it (and losing it). Squads matter more, and they have to function well or they don't matter. Corps matter, but only if they make good squads.
New players quickly find their lethality and have challenging matches that don't spiral them into despair. Even the most seasoned vet is challenged at almost the exact same pace. Players are forced to diversify to fill gaps in game-to-game strategy. A new game mode emerges: King of the hill. And everyone is playing it, whether they know it or not.
It's everyone vs everyone. E. v. E. BEH!
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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M1A1 Blaster Master
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Add a guardian stat. Every time you get guardian points it ticks up by 1, then divide it by every minute you had a rep tool active. So if you were playing an ambush match and it lasted 7 minutes and you had 36 guardian points then your guardian average would be 5.14.
Then combine that stat with amount of damage healed per guardian point. There you would see who is logi and who is just trying to cover up a poor gun game. |
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:False. irl K/D > All
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:inb4 snipers vs snipers matches.
If you want to judge a player you should look at K/D Ratio, WP/match ratio, K/min ratio, W/L ratio. That's what make a good player good, all the rest are carebears.
This wouldn't happen unless all snipers killed all other snipers at the exact same rate every time forever. Thank you, KDR matchmaking, you just fixed the redline too!
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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M1A1 Blaster Master
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:KDR drivel This would never work in DUST because of the complexity of skill levels, suit fits, vehicles and support roles. Then add in the squad factor. CS, COD or any other vanilla shooter it might work, but not here. |
Ghosts Chance
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real. He should try actually defending his point sometimes. Honestly I don't even remember the guy's name, just his stupid suggestion. No one can remember, or pronounce my name. That said: Player A, for whatever reason, is 15/2 KDR for the first hypothetical match. So is player B. A and B meet on opposite sides and start pew pew. A kills B. A is now 16/2, B is 15/3. If matchmaking is purely by KDR (not that it's the only relevant stat, just the one that most jarringly separates stompers from stompees), then A and B are that much less likely to meet again (with population being a big factor) unless their KDRs are somehow re-matched by wins/losses to other players. After a few thousand people have done this for a while, striation of KDR occurs and people generally only meet people of their lethality (KDR over time). Because of this, stomping simply stops. Every match is closely contested and the margin of victory thins. Then it gets interesting. KDR has been largely negated as a stat that wins matches, and other, more nuanced factors begin to emerge. Capturing points, repping heavies, needling corpses effectively all become vastly more important than before, because they are the new difference. WPs matter so much more because one well-placed (or poorly placed) orbital can be the only difference in winning and losing. Gear gets chewed up at a phenomenal rate for all but the Starter Fits and BPO crowd, but payouts match expense far more closely than before. FOTM is basically just another way to jack your KDR up to a place where you get your teeth caved in while wearing it (and losing it). Squads matter more, and they have to function well or they don't matter. Corps matter, but only if they make good squads. New players quickly find their lethality and have challenging matches that don't spiral them into despair. Even the most seasoned vet is challenged at almost the exact same pace. Players are forced to diversify to fill gaps in game-to-game strategy. A new game mode emerges: King of the hill. And everyone is playing it, whether they know it or not. It's everyone vs everyone. E. v. E. BEH!
In theory that works, but the reality is much different.
mostly becuase your theory is based on the assumption that the goal is to win the match, when there is a large subsect of the game population that have no such interest and that fact completly undermines the mechanics that would make this theory function.
not to mention twinking will be a thing as theres already a large portion of people that roll new alts over and over again to mess with things.
its also VERY easy to manipulate by just joining matches and scuiciding over and over and over and over again to tank your KDR and manipulate the metrics to put them back in the bracket they want to be in and yes ALOT of people will do that.
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Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:49:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real. He should try actually defending his point sometimes. Honestly I don't even remember the guy's name, just his stupid suggestion. No one can remember, or pronounce my name. That said: Player A, for whatever reason, is 15/2 KDR for the first hypothetical match. So is player B. A and B meet on opposite sides and start pew pew. A kills B. A is now 16/2, B is 15/3. If matchmaking is purely by KDR (not that it's the only relevant stat, just the one that most jarringly separates stompers from stompees), then A and B are that much less likely to meet again (with population being a big factor) unless their KDRs are somehow re-matched by wins/losses to other players. After a few thousand people have done this for a while, striation of KDR occurs and people generally only meet people of their lethality (KDR over time). Because of this, stomping simply stops. Every match is closely contested and the margin of victory thins. Then it gets interesting. KDR has been largely negated as a stat that wins matches, and other, more nuanced factors begin to emerge. Capturing points, repping heavies, needling corpses effectively all become vastly more important than before, because they are the new difference. WPs matter so much more because one well-placed (or poorly placed) orbital can be the only difference in winning and losing. Gear gets chewed up at a phenomenal rate for all but the Starter Fits and BPO crowd, but payouts match expense far more closely than before. FOTM is basically just another way to jack your KDR up to a place where you get your teeth caved in while wearing it (and losing it). Squads matter more, and they have to function well or they don't matter. Corps matter, but only if they make good squads. New players quickly find their lethality and have challenging matches that don't spiral them into despair. Even the most seasoned vet is challenged at almost the exact same pace. Players are forced to diversify to fill gaps in game-to-game strategy. A new game mode emerges: King of the hill. And everyone is playing it, whether they know it or not. It's everyone vs everyone. E. v. E. BEH!
Their are too many other variables for a pure KDR matchmaking system to work. It works fine in other games, because most other FPS's only really have 1 goal, to kill your enemy.
But here in DUST, I've seen people go 2/12 in the top 3, I've pulled out some utterly abysmal 7/10's but come top of the leader board.
What about eWAR scouts jacked up on code breakers, they'll hack everything 7 times each, but because they got killed 5 times while doing it they are sitting on lowly 0.4 KDR's.
What about logis who rarely engage in combat, who are mauled by explosives and so forth. He may have gone 1/4, but without him you wouldn't be seeing 4, 20+/2's up there.
What about pilots or AVers who carve through 10+ vehicles a match, but because the enemy driver always got out he is sitting on 2/10.
What about Snipers who abuse the terrain/redline/mechanics so they never die. There all sitting their with +250 on their KD/R, who are you gonna match those against?
Or those pilots earlier, who loose millions of ISK a match, but because they always get out of their tanks, they have huge KD/R's who are gonna match those with the Snipers?
What about the padders who go out make one kill, then AFK all match?
In DUST a simple KDR system isn't enough, you need an infamy system, it, works on a similar principle, but their more factors that contribute to its value than simply your, kills and deaths.
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.08.19 23:57:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real. He should try actually defending his point sometimes. Honestly I don't even remember the guy's name, just his stupid suggestion. No one can remember, or pronounce my name. That said: Player A, for whatever reason, is 15/2 KDR for the first hypothetical match. So is player B. A and B meet on opposite sides and start pew pew. A kills B. A is now 16/2, B is 15/3. If matchmaking is purely by KDR (not that it's the only relevant stat, just the one that most jarringly separates stompers from stompees), then A and B are that much less likely to meet again (with population being a big factor) unless their KDRs are somehow re-matched by wins/losses to other players. After a few thousand people have done this for a while, striation of KDR occurs and people generally only meet people of their lethality (KDR over time). Because of this, stomping simply stops. Every match is closely contested and the margin of victory thins. Then it gets interesting. KDR has been largely negated as a stat that wins matches, and other, more nuanced factors begin to emerge. Capturing points, repping heavies, needling corpses effectively all become vastly more important than before, because they are the new difference. WPs matter so much more because one well-placed (or poorly placed) orbital can be the only difference in winning and losing. Gear gets chewed up at a phenomenal rate for all but the Starter Fits and BPO crowd, but payouts match expense far more closely than before. FOTM is basically just another way to jack your KDR up to a place where you get your teeth caved in while wearing it (and losing it). Squads matter more, and they have to function well or they don't matter. Corps matter, but only if they make good squads. New players quickly find their lethality and have challenging matches that don't spiral them into despair. Even the most seasoned vet is challenged at almost the exact same pace. Players are forced to diversify to fill gaps in game-to-game strategy. A new game mode emerges: King of the hill. And everyone is playing it, whether they know it or not. It's everyone vs everyone. E. v. E. BEH! In theory that works, but the reality is much different. mostly becuase your theory is based on the assumption that the goal is to win the match, when there is a large subsect of the game population that have no such interest and that fact completly undermines the mechanics that would make this theory function. not to mention twinking will be a thing as theres already a large portion of people that roll new alts over and over again to mess with things. its also VERY easy to manipulate by just joining matches and scuiciding over and over and over and over again to tank your KDR and manipulate the metrics to put them back in the bracket they want to be in and yes ALOT of people will do that. Let them, if they want to put in the time, which increases with each kill. Please, try to think deeper than one match.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Vell0cet
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:00:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:its also VERY easy to manipulate by just joining matches and scuiciding over and over and over and over again to tank your KDR and manipulate the metrics to put them back in the bracket they want to be in and yes ALOT of people will do that. This could easily be solved by having 2 stats. Your actual K/D (public), and your matchmaker K/D. The latter would ignore suicides. It should also factor in WPs/death.
I'd also like to see an ISK efficiency stat. This should be the most prominent stat on the end of match screen and on the leader boards. While we're at it, the end of match screen should show assists on the leader board: K/D/A.
Best PvE idea ever!
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Defy Gravity
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Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. I as a heavy approve this message
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Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. Stats don't matter to me at all. They probably shouldn't matter to corps either. All you need to do is start a recruiting squad and play with the applicants for a few games and you will get an idea of what kind of a player they are. |
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:19:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Let them, if they want to put in the time, which increases with each kill. Please, try to think deeper than one match.
i am, you can play at about a 4 to 1 ratio of stomp to scuicide games and still stay in whatever KDR bracket you want to. the lower the KDR bracket the more scuicide games you have to play to maintain your position however so its not exactly a 4 to 1 thats pretty much just an average.
see the problem you dont see is the math part.
lets say you run 20/3 for 4 games thats 80/12
to balance out to a 1/1 bracket you only need to kill yourself 68 times wich you can easily do in 2 games so if you suicide for 1/3rd of your games you will stay in a 1/1 bracket indefinatly
its a whole lot easyer to tank your kdr then it is to increase it, your thinking its harder to tank then it is to raise... tanking your KDR gets easyer the higher your KDR is not the other way around so saying "it increases with each kill" is pointless as it gets easyer to manipulate the higher your KDR is.
saying "let them" is dumb as it undermines the whole point of changing the matchmaking system
its the same thing as saying "lets change the matchmaking system so that its easyer to pair yourself up against new players more consistantly and face no real oposition."
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:21:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:its also VERY easy to manipulate by just joining matches and scuiciding over and over and over and over again to tank your KDR and manipulate the metrics to put them back in the bracket they want to be in and yes ALOT of people will do that. This could easily be solved by having 2 stats. Your actual K/D (public), and your matchmaker K/D. The latter would ignore suicides. It should also factor in WPs/death. I'd also like to see an ISK efficiency stat. This should be the most prominent stat on the end of match screen and on the leader boards. While we're at it, the end of match screen should show assists on the leader board: K/D/A.
there are lots of ways to kill yourself... LOTS
having a stat at the end of game that shows the amount of isk lost for each team would be good though as it will really show the importance of isk effeciant wins and give new players a moral boost when they see that even though they lost the match they destroyed twice as much isk as they lost.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:23:00 -
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Death Shadow117 wrote:But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. Revives? HAVE YOU EVER BEEN REVIVED IN DUST? HOW DID IT TURN OUT?
Omfg.
You cant find a weapon in DESTINY that looks cooler than the viziam or a suit that look better than the basic gal proto.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:34:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Let them, if they want to put in the time, which increases with each kill. Please, try to think deeper than one match.
i am, you can play at about a 4 to 1 ratio of stomp to scuicide games and still stay in whatever KDR bracket you want to. the lower the KDR bracket the more scuicide games you have to play to maintain your position however so its not exactly a 4 to 1 thats pretty much just an average. see the problem you dont see is the math part. lets say you run 20/3 for 4 games thats 80/12 to balance out to a 1/1 bracket you only need to kill yourself 68 times wich you can easily do in 2 games so if you suicide for 1/3rd of your games you will stay in a 1/1 bracket indefinatly its a whole lot easyer to tank your kdr then it is to increase it, your thinking its harder to tank then it is to raise... tanking your KDR gets easyer the higher your KDR is not the other way around so saying "it increases with each kill" is pointless as it gets easyer to manipulate the higher your KDR is. saying "let them" is dumb as it undermines the whole point of changing the matchmaking system its the same thing as saying "lets change the matchmaking system so that its easyer to pair yourself up against new players more consistantly and face no real oposition." So, people who are willing to suicide for 1/3rd of their game time all day, every day are the most relevant? Odd that your mind went there so quickly. And then of course, we have the six guys all agreeing to suicide together at the exact same rate so that they can squad stomp, and the corps of dozens of players duty-bound to suicide at the exact same rate in order to rule the world. If that's the game, nothing stops it. Thank God, however, most people are normal and those pitiful few will fall to insignificance as fast as they perpetrate their idiocy. Of course, having a rule that the fifth suicide in a match removes you from the match with no statistical results recorded...
But what am I saying? That's just crazy pills.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
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Posted - 2014.08.20 00:59:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Let them, if they want to put in the time, which increases with each kill. Please, try to think deeper than one match.
i am, you can play at about a 4 to 1 ratio of stomp to scuicide games and still stay in whatever KDR bracket you want to. the lower the KDR bracket the more scuicide games you have to play to maintain your position however so its not exactly a 4 to 1 thats pretty much just an average. see the problem you dont see is the math part. lets say you run 20/3 for 4 games thats 80/12 to balance out to a 1/1 bracket you only need to kill yourself 68 times wich you can easily do in 2 games so if you suicide for 1/3rd of your games you will stay in a 1/1 bracket indefinatly its a whole lot easyer to tank your kdr then it is to increase it, your thinking its harder to tank then it is to raise... tanking your KDR gets easyer the higher your KDR is not the other way around so saying "it increases with each kill" is pointless as it gets easyer to manipulate the higher your KDR is. saying "let them" is dumb as it undermines the whole point of changing the matchmaking system its the same thing as saying "lets change the matchmaking system so that its easyer to pair yourself up against new players more consistantly and face no real oposition." So, people who are willing to suicide for 1/3rd of their game time all day, every day are the most relevant? Odd that your mind went there so quickly. And then of course, we have the six guys all agreeing to suicide together at the exact same rate so that they can squad stomp, and the corps of dozens of players duty-bound to suicide at the exact same rate in order to rule the world. If that's the game, nothing stops it. Thank God, however, most people are normal and those pitiful few will fall to insignificance as fast as they perpetrate their idiocy. Of course, having a rule that the fifth suicide in a match removes you from the match with no statistical results recorded... But what am I saying? That's just crazy pills.
Suicides 4 times, leaves match, joins another, rinse repeat. Better yet play 95% of match purposefully die a lot, leave match, deaths are recorded but not the kills..
Look at the players we have today, so many are afraid of a fair fight they will go great lengths to avoid them, adding a simplistic kdr system won't solve it. In all honesty their is no matchmaking system that could currently be implemented in DUST that would actually ensure people would play against enemies of equal skill.
This game gives greater reward for cowardice than it does for bravery!
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Onesimus Tarsus
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:16:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Let them, if they want to put in the time, which increases with each kill. Please, try to think deeper than one match.
i am, you can play at about a 4 to 1 ratio of stomp to scuicide games and still stay in whatever KDR bracket you want to. the lower the KDR bracket the more scuicide games you have to play to maintain your position however so its not exactly a 4 to 1 thats pretty much just an average. see the problem you dont see is the math part. lets say you run 20/3 for 4 games thats 80/12 to balance out to a 1/1 bracket you only need to kill yourself 68 times wich you can easily do in 2 games so if you suicide for 1/3rd of your games you will stay in a 1/1 bracket indefinatly its a whole lot easyer to tank your kdr then it is to increase it, your thinking its harder to tank then it is to raise... tanking your KDR gets easyer the higher your KDR is not the other way around so saying "it increases with each kill" is pointless as it gets easyer to manipulate the higher your KDR is. saying "let them" is dumb as it undermines the whole point of changing the matchmaking system its the same thing as saying "lets change the matchmaking system so that its easyer to pair yourself up against new players more consistantly and face no real oposition." So, people who are willing to suicide for 1/3rd of their game time all day, every day are the most relevant? Odd that your mind went there so quickly. And then of course, we have the six guys all agreeing to suicide together at the exact same rate so that they can squad stomp, and the corps of dozens of players duty-bound to suicide at the exact same rate in order to rule the world. If that's the game, nothing stops it. Thank God, however, most people are normal and those pitiful few will fall to insignificance as fast as they perpetrate their idiocy. Of course, having a rule that the fifth suicide in a match removes you from the match with no statistical results recorded... But what am I saying? That's just crazy pills. Suicides 4 times, leaves match, joins another, rinse repeat. Better yet play 95% of match purposefully die a lot, leave match, deaths are recorded but not the kills.. Look at the players we have today, so many are afraid of a fair fight they will go great lengths to avoid them, adding a simplistic kdr system won't solve it. In all honesty their is no matchmaking system that could currently be implemented in DUST that would actually ensure people would play against enemies of equal skill. This game gives greater reward for cowardice than it does for bravery! Yet another baseless anecdotal refutation of the system to seemingly abnegate it's benefits in the face of imagined detriment.. So, people are going to spend all their time in the loading screens to avoid what? Playing the game? Meanwhile, all the normal people will be playing normally, the top 50 or so will have bragging rights, and the rest can compete or idiotically fake greatness. You're right in a way, proper matchmaking doesn't end delusional stomp-chasing. Nor does it end acne. Or political ineptitude. Let's just fold the whole thing and have protostomping 24/7 instead or chase the "balance" unicorn around a while longer.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:27:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Bad logi's making excuses for sucking.
Do you need to stand with a rep tool in your hand 24/7, or a nanite, or even a hive? No? You do hold your gun?
Why not try using it? Concentrated DPS is as useful as healing, if not more so.
Im not even a logi and im speaking for more than just myself. Logis shouldnt go looking for fights they should stay with their heavy and the heavy should look for the fight. If it comes to it and i have to kill someone in my logi i will but i dont go picking fights in my logi. Player says they aren't a logi. Player describes how they run logi. sorr i have a tunnel vision mind idc what i say but im still amazed that you think kdr is all we should focus on anyways what is yours?
Why?
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Death Shadow117
New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:28:00 -
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M1A1 Blaster Master wrote:Add a guardian stat. Every time you get guardian points it ticks up by 1, then divide it by every minute you had a rep tool active. So if you were playing an ambush match and it lasted 7 minutes and you had 36 guardian points then your guardian average would be 5.14.
Then combine that stat with amount of damage healed per guardian point. There you would see who is logi and who is just trying to cover up a poor gun game. Good thank you for adding here is a like.
Why?
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Death Shadow117 wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Death Shadow117 wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:Bad logi's making excuses for sucking.
Do you need to stand with a rep tool in your hand 24/7, or a nanite, or even a hive? No? You do hold your gun?
Why not try using it? Concentrated DPS is as useful as healing, if not more so.
Im not even a logi and im speaking for more than just myself. Logis shouldnt go looking for fights they should stay with their heavy and the heavy should look for the fight. If it comes to it and i have to kill someone in my logi i will but i dont go picking fights in my logi. Player says they aren't a logi. Player describes how they run logi. sorr i have a tunnel vision mind idc what i say but im still amazed that you think kdr is all we should focus on anyways what is yours? Lets see dustboards says your a corphopping unknown kdr scrub. Give it up who is your main? Just checked your all time kdr its .86. Guess thats why ive never seen you in a match. Look, you pantsed yourself enough already and you seemingly have no way of perceiving the concept. Go eat some cereal or something.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. BEH!
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