DUST Search - Im sorry cod babies...

Death Shadow117 wrote:

TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:

Death Shadow117 wrote:

But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one.

There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8.

Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are.

Logis can kill too, at least the good ones.

But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture.

So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too.

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Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:52:00 - [1] - Quote But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. Why?
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2889	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:53:00 - [2] - Quote I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up..
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:55:00 - [3] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. Yeah he thinks he is right but he isnt. Why?
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 429	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:58:00 - [4] - Quote A videogame has no relation with real life bro. Yes this game is a bit more strategy involved and plenty brutal but the war.concept is nowhere close to an actual war. No to the logi stat. Frankly dude, I really dont know what you're rambling about Saying what's on people's minds
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2490	Posted - 2014.08.19 19:58:00 - [5] - Quote Except he is. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the *whole* game. BEH!
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:00:00 - [6] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Except he is. No you arent and ill laugh when ccp removes kdr. Why?
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2490	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:02:00 - [7] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Except he is. No you arent and ill laugh when ccp removes kdr. Kdr matchmaking removes kdr, you can laugh then. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the *whole* game. BEH!
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2621	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:03:00 - [8] - Quote Replace kill and death with isk gained vs isk lost In eve universe death isn't the end, Bankruptacy is the closest thing to the end Bring These Back Tanker Turned Ads Pilot
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:07:00 - [9] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Replace kill and death with isk gained vs isk lost In eve universe death isn't the end, Bankruptacy is the closest thing to the end This is great too. Why?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:09:00 - [10] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: Except he is. No you arent and ill laugh when ccp removes kdr. Kdr matchmaking removes kdr, you can laugh then. Are you a logi? Probably not. Like i said not everyone is a slayer so its a stupid way to judge people. Why?

Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2490	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:10:00 - [11] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: Replace kill and death with isk gained vs isk lost In eve universe death isn't the end, Bankruptacy is the closest thing to the end This is great too. In before Bpo/starter fit adjustment. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the *whole* game. BEH!
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2484	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:14:00 - [12] - Quote Damn! Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:15:00 - [13] - Quote Anarchide wrote: Damn! GJR tell this guy why kdr matcaking is a stupid idea. Why?
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 472	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:17:00 - [14] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones.
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1574	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:17:00 - [15] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2484	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:17:00 - [16] - Quote Because it doesn't take any tacos into account, that's why. Not enough delightful spicyness involved. Dust Loyalist *Greedy Bastards*
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2892	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:19:00 - [17] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I wonder how long until that "KDR Matchmaking will fix this" guy shows up.. His struggle for relevance is real. He should try actually defending his point sometimes. Honestly I don't even remember the guy's name, just his stupid suggestion.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:24:00 - [18] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture. So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too. Why?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 300	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:24:00 - [19] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture. So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too. Why?
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 754	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:24:00 - [20] - Quote You all have the right to remain silent. Please use it. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.

TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 472	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:31:00 - [21] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. There is always a way to abuse stats. Your proposal can be pointless if players just revive boost to make themselves look like amazing logis. Not too mention you don't even have to boost for your revive to be pointless and the player die upon revive. The best way to tell how good a player is has always been to play with them/against them. The kd/r guy isn't wrong. It will be weird to start, but over time kd/r will equalize and players will be placed with players who get the same amount of kills. Eventually everyone will be close to 1.0 with the best players probably being at 1.2 to 1.4 and the worst being from .5 to .8. Things like snipers having to only fight snipers just shows how bad a mechanic letting players snipe in the red line is. Likewise, vehicles having high kd/r just shows how OP vehicles are. Logis can kill too, at least the good ones. But to be honest, there isn't much point in caring. This game is mired in bad design flaws that aren't going to magically disappear with any sort of matchmaking system. That's probably why CCP took Dust out to pasture. So i guesa everyone should just become slayers then. I can logi and get 4000 wp wasy with a 0/0 kdr because im keeping my hwavies alive. Maybe not use revivea as one but total health given should get onto your carachter sheet too. Sorry I have a nasty habit of editing my posts as I think more on the subject. Here's a part you missed: "Not everything is about killing in a first person shooter war game!" It's always about killing, varying roles are about helping your team to kill. When's the last time a team not killing anyone won a match? I've never seen one side go 150/75 and the 75 side win by MCC destruction. I've seen like 40/75 with 40 winning by MCC destruction but that implies that the 75 side couldn't apply enough pressure and taking objectives. Again, all comes back to killin'. If your 4000 wp and 0/0 helps the team win then sure. But I have a sneaky suspicion you would be more helpful if you actually killed some people from time to time. Honestly you shouldn't worry about a kd/r matchmaking system if you are really good at this game and just have a bad kd/r because you are a logi you will become a god until you equalize and reach your actual level of play. It will be like the battle academy all over again. To answer your question yes, everyone should be slayers. When I use my mobile command center logi with nanos and uplinks I still plan to be a slayer and when I use a medic suit I still plan to be a slayer. You should always be aiming to kill the enemy when you can.
saxonmish Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 214	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:32:00 - [22] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. This game is a FPS which means First Person Shooter, Also i kknow alot of logi's who have a 2.0 plus KDR and being a former cod player this game is alot easier tbh. Character* SLAYER.
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 302	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:35:00 - [23] - Quote saxonmish wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. This game is a FPS which means First Person Shooter, Also i kknow alot of logi's who have a 2.0 plus KDR and being a former cod player this game is alot easier tbh. Character* This is easier thatn cod? You men the game where 2 bullets kill people right? Cod is one of the easiest fps' to play why do you think more 9 year olds play it than dust. Why?
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 3074	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:45:00 - [24] - Quote Mmmm. Black cod.
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 472	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:45:00 - [25] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: saxonmish wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life because we have medics grunts etc. etc. I propose a new stat be added on the carachter sheet it should just be total lifetime healing given and total revives given so, when you apply you can put it into your app so they can judge you with being a logi and how good you are at it. Not everyone is a slayer so not everyone should be judged as one. This game is a FPS which means First Person Shooter, Also i kknow alot of logi's who have a 2.0 plus KDR and being a former cod player this game is alot easier tbh. Character* This is easier thatn cod? You men the game where 2 bullets kill people right? Cod is one of the easiest fps' to play why do you think more 9 year olds play it than dust. More any age play CoD then Dust that's a bad analogy lol. In CoD to be good you have to be quick to react and have great awareness. In CoD you can get lucky and hit a guy, but the people that consistently go 30/0 in CoD aren't lucky. In Dust, you could roll a tank or a heavy in a hmg and get away with being oblivious to your surroundings and generally bad at aiming and come out with a 30/0 score. Or do what most people do, squad up and pick on newberries in their proto fits then circle jerk to their 30/0 or 30/8 kd/rs. I've yet to see a match where a group squadded up in militia gear and went 30/0 or 30/8 against proto randoms. It just never happens. Not even the best corps in the history of Dust can pull that off. Because much of the good and bad players are essentially determined by SP. That's why you won't see Nyain San letting in guys with 10 mil sp or whoever consider themselves to be top dogs these days (I know Nyain San doesn't really play competitively now.)
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 733	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:47:00 - [26] - Quote Bad logi's making excuses for sucking. Do you need to stand with a rep tool in your hand 24/7, or a nanite, or even a hive? No? You do hold your gun? Why not try using it? Concentrated DPS is as useful as healing, if not more so.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition 3214	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:50:00 - [27] - Quote I have to agree with Sota on this one. You see these threads pop up every couple weeks by a guy with no gun game saying "this game has so much depth than cod and kdr is irrelevant". No... in fact.. in the words of the wise and all-powerful Regnyum "KDR > EVERYTHING". No truer words have ever been spoken... if you have a bad KDR then you are a bad player. Its okay though... don't feel too bad about it. Not everyone can be good afterall right? B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 756	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:51:00 - [28] - Quote You can be good at Dust but suck at CoD. You can't be good at CoD but suck at Dust. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 317	Posted - 2014.08.19 20:56:00 - [29] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life I stopped here...
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 756	Posted - 2014.08.19 21:01:00 - [30] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: Death Shadow117 wrote: But dust is very different. You cant judge everyone by kdr you know why. Because cod doesnt have support roles it teaches you to shoot people and dont give a **** about friendlies. Dust belive it or not is more related to real life I stopped here... Right!? How is it like real life? My merc quarters doesn't have a toilet or jerk off station. This future sucks! If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.



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