DUST Search - CCP, is this possible?

Syeven Reed wrote:

I was trying to think of a game mode that would not require a client update. I've got an idea and would like to know if this kind of thing is possible, taking into consideration workload, many hot fixes down the road.

It's common knowledge that the maps we play on now are part of three much larger maps. If you take the time to stop and look during a battle you can sometimes see other complexes far off into the distance.

So heres my question, would it be possible to open them up? Get rid of the red lines for us to explore everything as one big map, under a new game mode, exploration? I understand that the maps are incomplete (i think) but they are big enough to make for some fun "exploration".

My idea is this,

Get rid of any timers or MCC. (a map where people can join and leave at a whim)

Introduce a similar concept to Ambush Spawns, whilst keeping the ground spawns we have in Skirmish and Domination.

Make the salvage rate 50%. (Salvage only received upon exit of a map)

Get rid of the vehicle cap. (Keep in mind that redlining isn't a thing due to point 2)

No Orbitals. (Or only after a CD timer post taking over a null cannon)

Some things which sound great! But I'm not to sure if it's possible,

Keep objectives up and make them hackable for salvage/ISK (Give cool down windows that get larger and larger, with multiplying payouts for the squad hacking ((add soft cap) resets when a different squad hacks)

I'm sure there are a lot of aspects you could add to this, but, like the title says, I just want to know if this sort of thing is possible. Or if its even under consideration for far off into the future.

Thanks for reading,

Reed.

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Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 819	Posted - 2014.08.17 20:31:00 - [1] - Quote I was trying to think of a game mode that would not require a client update. I've got an idea and would like to know if this kind of thing is possible, taking into consideration workload, many hot fixes down the road. It's common knowledge that the maps we play on now are part of three much larger maps. If you take the time to stop and look during a battle you can sometimes see other complexes far off into the distance. So heres my question, would it be possible to open them up? Get rid of the red lines for us to explore everything as one big map, under a new game mode, exploration? I understand that the maps are incomplete (i think) but they are big enough to make for some fun "exploration". My idea is this, Get rid of any timers or MCC. (a map where people can join and leave at a whim) Introduce a similar concept to Ambush Spawns, whilst keeping the ground spawns we have in Skirmish and Domination. Make the salvage rate 50%. (Salvage only received upon exit of a map) Get rid of the vehicle cap. (Keep in mind that redlining isn't a thing due to point 2) I'm sure there are a lot of aspects you could add to this, but, like the title says, I just want to know if this sort of thing is possible. Or if its even under consideration for far off into the future. Thanks for reading, Reed. Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 62	Posted - 2014.08.17 20:56:00 - [2] - Quote Yes and allow a pub version and a corp battle version so you can set up a badass tank battle or something like that.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1204	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:08:00 - [3] - Quote It's different. People would enjoy it. CCP wrote: No. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17098	Posted - 2014.08.17 21:18:00 - [4] - Quote I highly doubt that can be done server side. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. 'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 819	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:05:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I highly doubt that can be done server side. Maybe, but I intentionally only used aspects that are already in the game, all CCP need to do is combine them correctly. A new game mode is overdue. Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2189	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:09:00 - [6] - Quote make the hack points raider objectives. You can control the objectives to gain salvage (Preferably salvage you can use) and ISk rewards. Make them hackable once every what, two, three minutes?
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 819	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:10:00 - [7] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: make the hack points raider objectives. You can control the objectives to gain salvage (Preferably salvage you can use) and ISk rewards. Make them hackable once every what, two, three minutes? That, is a fiiine suggestion! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2190	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:11:00 - [8] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: make the hack points raider objectives. You can control the objectives to gain salvage (Preferably salvage you can use) and ISk rewards. Make them hackable once every what, two, three minutes? That, is a fiiine suggestion! and if you camp a hack point you can hack rewards for your squad, and salvage loot from the cuckleheads you slaughter while defending your loot pinata.
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 72	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:15:00 - [9] - Quote A new game mode is overdue but I would say that this wouldn't be one of them. But a scavenger ambush with a higher chance of good salvage. *Eye of the Reaper* Pro Caldari assault and sentinel. Proto magsec, Forgegun and Rail Rifle
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 23	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:23:00 - [10] - Quote This totally wouldn't cause performance issues.

Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 821	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:25:00 - [11] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 23	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:34:00 - [12] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. No but you are proposing removing the vehicle limit. There is a vehicle limit in skirmish for a reason, and it's server performance, hell the game has a hard enough time running the science research center, I'm not saying a new mode is impossible, but increasing the map to over 1km would require Ccp to rework how the ps3 loads everything, unless you think both the server and the client can handle preloading that much space with loading that many vehicles. Plus it only partially renders it in the distance, not fully.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2195	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:37:00 - [13] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. No but you are proposing removing the vehicle limit. There is a vehicle limit in skirmish for a reason, and it's server performance, hell the game has a hard enough time running the science research center, I'm not saying a new mode is impossible, but increasing the map to over 1km would require Ccp to rework how the ps3 loads everything, unless you think both the server and the client can handle preloading that much space with loading that many vehicles. Plus it only partially renders it in the distance, not fully. Use the small sockets that don't eat resources. Vehicle cap should be a thing, but make it a free-for-all map where you squad up or you take your chances with 31 on 1 and fight all comers.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 748	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:39:00 - [14] - Quote yeah we are definitely are overdue for a new gamemode that utilizes the entire map along with more maps in genral, we only have 2 maps total, mag had 12.
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 826	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:41:00 - [15] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. No but you are proposing removing the vehicle limit. There is a vehicle limit in skirmish for a reason, and it's server performance, hell the game has a hard enough time running the science research center, I'm not saying a new mode is impossible, but increasing the map to over 1km would require Ccp to rework how the ps3 loads everything, unless you think both the server and the client can handle preloading that much space with loading that many vehicles. Plus it only partially renders it in the distance, not fully. Fair point, how about reverting it back to its old value then, which was proven to work and was only changed because of the stomp on the size of map we have now. Regarding the way the maps load now they wouldn't need to change anything, it's how it should work, stuff in the distance is partially rendered (or at least a low quality file is rendered) so as to not impact performance as much (because stuff in the distance is hard to see anyway). I'd love a blue tag in this thread. :D Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 24	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:41:00 - [16] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. No but you are proposing removing the vehicle limit. There is a vehicle limit in skirmish for a reason, and it's server performance, hell the game has a hard enough time running the science research center, I'm not saying a new mode is impossible, but increasing the map to over 1km would require Ccp to rework how the ps3 loads everything, unless you think both the server and the client can handle preloading that much space with loading that many vehicles. Plus it only partially renders it in the distance, not fully. Use the small sockets that don't eat resources. Vehicle cap should be a thing, but make it a free-for-all map where you squad up or you take your chances with 31 on 1 and fight all comers. This might help, reducing the amount of technical stuff to load, I would still think it would be a stretch to preload at once; we need a blue tag here, which means we ain't gonna get one.
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 24	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:42:00 - [17] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. No but you are proposing removing the vehicle limit. There is a vehicle limit in skirmish for a reason, and it's server performance, hell the game has a hard enough time running the science research center, I'm not saying a new mode is impossible, but increasing the map to over 1km would require Ccp to rework how the ps3 loads everything, unless you think both the server and the client can handle preloading that much space with loading that many vehicles. Plus it only partially renders it in the distance, not fully. Fair point, how about reverting it back to its old value then, which was proven to work and was only changed because of the stomp on the size of map we have now. Regarding the way the maps load now they wouldn't need to change anything, it's how it should work, stuff in the distance is partially rendered (or at least a low quality file is rendered) so as to not impact performance as much (because stuff in the distance is hard to see anyway). I'd love a blue tag in this thread. :D Yeah the issue is does things that far in the distance render as you get closer or are they static. We definitely need a blue tag.
Apocalyptic Destroyer RestlessSpirits 104	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:51:00 - [18] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. No but you are proposing removing the vehicle limit. There is a vehicle limit in skirmish for a reason, and it's server performance, hell the game has a hard enough time running the science research center, I'm not saying a new mode is impossible, but increasing the map to over 1km would require Ccp to rework how the ps3 loads everything, unless you think both the server and the client can handle preloading that much space with loading that many vehicles. Plus it only partially renders it in the distance, not fully. Apparently you haven't ventured far enough into the Map with a dropship with an afterburner. Everything loads perfectly, It's the redline that's the problem. ~R1P
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 25	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:55:00 - [19] - Quote Apocalyptic Destroyer wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Bobs urges wrote: This totally wouldn't cause performance issues. I don't think it would no, the map you play on today still renders everything in the distance and I said nothing about increasing player count. No but you are proposing removing the vehicle limit. There is a vehicle limit in skirmish for a reason, and it's server performance, hell the game has a hard enough time running the science research center, I'm not saying a new mode is impossible, but increasing the map to over 1km would require Ccp to rework how the ps3 loads everything, unless you think both the server and the client can handle preloading that much space with loading that many vehicles. Plus it only partially renders it in the distance, not fully. Apparently you haven't ventured far enough into the Map with a dropship with an afterburner. Everything loads perfectly, It's the redline that's the problem. I have but the timer isn't enough to load the length of a new map, plus it doesn't load the the details of the sockets.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 412	Posted - 2014.08.17 22:57:00 - [20] - Quote Dude, there's been so many good game modes suggested by community that just faded into obscurity. Saying what's on people's minds

Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 25	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:05:00 - [21] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, there's been so many good game modes suggested by community that just faded into obscurity. Good doesn't equal possible. Plus without sources, I'm gonna laugh at you.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 415	Posted - 2014.08.18 05:31:00 - [22] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, there's been so many good game modes suggested by community that just faded into obscurity. Good doesn't equal possible. Plus without sources, I'm gonna laugh at you. Then laugh. You represent Goonfeet. The same faggots who terrorized a dude mining on a planet and then your fearless leader took to FF to expose him and try to get others to harass him. I have no respect for your kind and I would spit in your face dude. Saying what's on people's minds
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 285	Posted - 2014.08.18 06:15:00 - [23] - Quote Ok i like it but, salvage... i cant sell it. If im spending isk in a match like that what is the isk payout? Is it 50% of what i spent/or killed. Or is it paid back in-full of what i lost? Why?
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 285	Posted - 2014.08.18 06:17:00 - [24] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, there's been so many good game modes suggested by community that just faded into obscurity. Good doesn't equal possible. Plus without sources, I'm gonna laugh at you. Then laugh. You represent Goonfeet. The same faggots who terrorized a dude mining on a planet and then your fearless leader took to FF to expose him and try to get others to harass him. I have no respect for your kind and I would spit in your face dude. And they belive a mythical person is god. Why?
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 833	Posted - 2014.08.18 07:14:00 - [25] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Ok i like it but, salvage... i cant sell it. If im spending isk in a match like that what is the isk payout? Is it 50% of what i spent/or killed. Or is it paid back in-full of what i lost? Would be 50% of what you killed. Theres also a really good post earlier on about hacking objectives to get ISK and more salvage, not sure if that parts possible but it's a sweet idea. Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 2204	Posted - 2014.08.18 10:26:00 - [26] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, there's been so many good game modes suggested by community that just faded into obscurity. Good doesn't equal possible. Plus without sources, I'm gonna laugh at you. Then laugh. You represent Goonfeet. The same faggots who terrorized a dude mining on a planet and then your fearless leader took to FF to expose him and try to get others to harass him. I have no respect for your kind and I would spit in your face dude. I am disappointed in the quality of this ragepost. Please try again. I can only give you a 3/10 for this effort.
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 834	Posted - 2014.08.18 14:13:00 - [27] - Quote OP updated with extra crap! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 25	Posted - 2014.08.18 15:34:00 - [28] - Quote Death Shadow117 wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Bobs urges wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, there's been so many good game modes suggested by community that just faded into obscurity. Good doesn't equal possible. Plus without sources, I'm gonna laugh at you. Then laugh. You represent Goonfeet. The same faggots who terrorized a dude mining on a planet and then your fearless leader took to FF to expose him and try to get others to harass him. I have no respect for your kind and I would spit in your face dude. And they belive a mythical person is god. We are a Christian corp dedicated to the core tenants of Christianity, we do not participate in trolling or any other devil worship that shirks the Light of the One True God; To imagine the good, honest Christians cohabitat in the goodfeet breakroom enjoying their caffiene free, organic, non-gmo, gluten free, hand picked coffee (the way God intended) to possibly fall to such temptation as griefing another human being, in this mere extension of our very soul that is Dust514; it's frankly hurtful you would curse us with such foul language and dare call your Creator a mythical person.
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 834	Posted - 2014.08.19 08:17:00 - [29] - Quote A blue tag would still be wonderful! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Bobs urges Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 29	Posted - 2014.08.19 16:51:00 - [30] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: A blue tag would still be wonderful! Unfortunately, devs avoid these convos, not neccesarily intentional, more due to the large topic spam here on the forums.

Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 849	Posted - 2014.08.21 09:49:00 - [31] - Quote Bobs urges wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: A blue tag would still be wonderful! Unfortunately, devs avoid these convos, not necessarily intentional, more due to the large topic spam here on the forums. Well I still for some kind of feedback! Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 585	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:01:00 - [32] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: I was trying to think of a game mode that would not require a client update. I've got an idea and would like to know if this kind of thing is possible, taking into consideration workload, many hot fixes down the road. It's common knowledge that the maps we play on now are part of three much larger maps. If you take the time to stop and look during a battle you can sometimes see other complexes far off into the distance. So heres my question, would it be possible to open them up? Get rid of the red lines for us to explore everything as one big map, under a new game mode, exploration? I understand that the maps are incomplete (i think) but they are big enough to make for some fun "exploration". My idea is this, Get rid of any timers or MCC. (a map where people can join and leave at a whim) Introduce a similar concept to Ambush Spawns, whilst keeping the ground spawns we have in Skirmish and Domination. Make the salvage rate 50%. (Salvage only received upon exit of a map) Get rid of the vehicle cap. (Keep in mind that redlining isn't a thing due to point 2) No Orbitals. (Or only after a CD timer post taking over a null cannon) Some things which sound great! But I'm not to sure if it's possible, Keep objectives up and make them hackable for salvage/ISK (Give cool down windows that get larger and larger, with multiplying payouts for the squad hacking ((add soft cap) resets when a different squad hacks) I'm sure there are a lot of aspects you could add to this, but, like the title says, I just want to know if this sort of thing is possible. Or if its even under consideration for far off into the future. Thanks for reading, Reed. hmm so a persistant battle.. what about sp/isk earned? paid upon leaving the fight? [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11828	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:06:00 - [33] - Quote http://www.stuff514.com If it exists here, they can change it. There are exceptions, but for the most part you can look at the SDE to get a good idea of what can be done. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 905	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:12:00 - [34] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Dude, there's been so many good game modes suggested by community that just faded into obscurity. Capture the flag with the twist that an orbital drops on the flag every now and then. Oh what could have been. What percentile of Dust514's infantry arsenal belongs to the category of machine guns?
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4772	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:23:00 - [35] - Quote So basically this game mode is a dumbed down version of the sandbox vomit in Legion. Was a stupid idea then, and it's a stupid idea now. Sandboxes are boring.
Syeven Reed Sebiestor Field Sappers 849	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:33:00 - [36] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Syeven Reed wrote: Said some stuff. hmm so a persistant battle.. what about sp/isk earned? paid upon leaving the fight? Exactly, well thats the idea anyway! :) Word Crimes EvE - 21 Day Buddy Trial
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 987	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:38:00 - [37] - Quote Or ** it, just play Destiny instead. but yeah like Arkena said... pretty sure the dust server can't handle much more than raw data. if this requires adding something new that we're not capable of doing without a download then you might as well forget it. unless they put it in "special contracts" and renamed it to "open world" or something Eternal Beings** - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 681	Posted - 2014.08.21 11:54:00 - [38] - Quote i just lol at folk who think ccp are actually gonna waste even a small amount of time adding anything new to dust. we've been promised so much for so long and they've delivered so little even before legion was announced (cos they was working on legion instead) just face facts if you want a new game mode... you're gonna have to go buy a new game Rolling with the punches

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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 4081	Posted - 2014.08.22 17:26:00 - [40] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Moved to Features and Ideas Discussion He did not say GÇ£noGÇ¥. There is still hope. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.



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