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843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 202	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:17:00 - [1] - Quote Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits. "They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec" "I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff" Etc, etc, etc............ Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible? If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got. Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM. All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal.
Toby Flenderson research lab 564	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:22:00 - [2] - Quote I'd be pretty upset if they took the hacking bonus from the Minja and gave it to the min assault (arbitrary choice). I would feel justified in requesting a respec if that was the primary role of that suit and they took it away. Same goes with the Cal scouts. The only difference is that people say the Cal scout was OP and they didn't say that about the Minja. It doesn't make a difference to me how popular a suit is, changing the bonus should be followed by a respec in an ideal world.
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1052	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:24:00 - [3] - Quote no, I actually just want to try out my revised Gal Assault (I specced out of it for Gal Logi), in fact, I think the Cal Scout is still better than the assaults, but that's just my opinion.
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 192	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:28:00 - [4] - Quote I'm getting tired of people using the term FOTM. People are free to spec into whatever they want.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 4169	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:30:00 - [5] - Quote Wait ... Does this mean I should or should not be skilling into Burst HMG? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 1778	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:32:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Wait ... Does this mean I should or should not be skilling into Burst HMG? It's not as good as people think it is. Amarr: Assault V, Scout V, Sentinel V, Commando V, Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5155	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:42:00 - [7] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: I'm getting tired of people using the term FOTM. People are free to spec into whatever they want. For some, that is not the case. They have a presupposition to skill into 'the best' thing and so their choice is always made up for them. Now you could say that is exactly what they want and thus, they are playing their way. But if they always skill into fotm then their choices are already decided for them. They don't skill into what they want and then make it work, they skill into what they have to, to win, they need it to augment their skill rather than their skill augmenting what they pick. Thats my take on it anyway. Sources-21 years+ gaming on many, many platforms. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5155	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:43:00 - [8] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Wait ... Does this mean I should or should not be skilling into Burst HMG? It's not as good as people think it is. Yeah its awful, nothing to see here lol. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 204	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:51:00 - [9] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: I'm getting tired of people using the term FOTM. People are free to spec into whatever they want. For some, that is not the case. They have a presupposition to skill into 'the best' thing and so their choice is always made up for them. Now you could say that is exactly what they want and thus, they are playing their way. But if they always skill into fotm then their choices are already decided for them. They don't skill into what they want and then make it work, they skill into what they have to, to win, they need it to augment their skill rather than their skill augmenting what they pick. Thats my take on it anyway. Sources-21 years+ gaming on many, many platforms. claps I couldn't have said it better myself. if i could give this post a million likes i would.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5157	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:57:00 - [10] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Jack 3enimble wrote: I'm getting tired of people using the term FOTM. People are free to spec into whatever they want. For some, that is not the case. They have a presupposition to skill into 'the best' thing and so their choice is always made up for them. Now you could say that is exactly what they want and thus, they are playing their way. But if they always skill into fotm then their choices are already decided for them. They don't skill into what they want and then make it work, they skill into what they have to, to win, they need it to augment their skill rather than their skill augmenting what they pick. Thats my take on it anyway. Sources-21 years+ gaming on many, many platforms. claps I couldn't have said it better myself. if i could give this post a million likes i would. Further backing. The nubs who go from game to game asking what the best X is, they try it, its doesn't work for them, they quit. They will only play a game that has blatant I win buttons. They are literally parasites and infest games and cling together like sht and sugar I have found. The painful thing is that this is them playing their way BUT as you clearly know, their choice is ALWAYS made for them, they just don't know it. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.

King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1598	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:00:00 - [11] - Quote MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE TIRED OF CCPS INEPT BALANCING THAT CREATES FOTM IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD?????? A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 737	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:04:00 - [12] - Quote Maybe FoTM chasers are tired of you. Maybe I'm tired of your stupid posts. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 692	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:05:00 - [13] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE TIRED OF CCPS INEPT BALANCING THAT CREATES FOTM IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD?????? Stop it King - I haven't agreed with you so much so often since the EoN wars and us telling everyone how bad they are. lol
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 165	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:07:00 - [14] - Quote hmm?.....so i'm condemned for making an informed decision on what suit to choose that suits my playstyle. At the start of 1.8 i chose cal scout because I knew cloaking/dampening would be a pain in the arse due to the active scanner "fixes" and to ensure I was making the right choice I took the time to read the description, compare slot layouts/bonus to other scouts, make many experimental fits on protofits, ask my corpmates their opinion, invest it to lvl 1 to run the experimental fits^(that i made on protofits) and then liking how it felt skilled to lvl 5. and you have the audacity to call me fotm chaser!!!!! I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT MADE IT BECOME FOTM, IT'S ALL YOU DAMN SCRUBS THAT CAME RUNNING FROM THE GALLENTE SCOUT NERF THAT ARE THE FOTM CHASERS!!!! so mad i about shlt my dropsuit "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 511	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:12:00 - [15] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: I'm getting tired of people using the term FOTM. People are free to spec into whatever they want. its quite true though.. in bravo there was 0 assaults.. most were useing logi insted of assault cause they had the same hp but more equipment.. and scouts got more hp and a cloak and immunity to tacnet and so on... and personally i feel ahead of the curve as a dedicated logi due to Delta being commando/logi love hotfix.. so suck it! [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 207	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:12:00 - [16] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Maybe FoTM chasers are tired of you. Maybe I'm tired of your stupid posts. If you don't like my threads then you don't have to read them, or post on them. Mainly because no one gives a rats a$$ what you think. And if the FoTM chasers are tired of my threads, then I m doing it correctly, because the entire community is tired of them.
Thurak1 Psygod9 923	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:12:00 - [17] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Wait ... Does this mean I should or should not be skilling into Burst HMG? burst is not a seperate skill set.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3826	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:14:00 - [18] - Quote Im really tired of ccp changing everything so the suit i orginally skilled to is now useless so now i have to skill into a new suit and that makes me a FOTM chaser even tho its not my fault
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 207	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:15:00 - [19] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: hmm?.....so i'm condemned for making an informed decision on what suit to choose that suits my playstyle. At the start of 1.8 i chose cal scout because I knew cloaking/dampening would be a pain in the arse due to the active scanner "fixes" and to ensure I was making the right choice I took the time to read the description, compare slot layouts/bonus to other scouts, make many experimental fits on protofits, ask my corpmates their opinion, invest it to lvl 1 to run the experimental fits^(that i made on protofits) and then liking how it felt skilled to lvl 5. and you have the audacity to call me fotm chaser!!!!! I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT MADE IT BECOME FOTM, IT'S ALL YOU DAMN SCRUBS THAT CAME RUNNING FROM THE GALLENTE SCOUT NERF THAT ARE THE FOTM CHASERS!!!! so mad i about shlt my dropsuit You didn't do sh!t except spec into one of the more OP scout suits and nothing else, because while you were sitting on the fence asking questions and making fits o proto fits, people went straight to level 5 in cal scout. S by the time you put points into cal scout people already had them. So all you did was follow the pack and go with the FoTM.
ROMULUS H3X research lab 175	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:19:00 - [20] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Wait ... Does this mean I should or should not be skilling into Burst HMG? It's not as good as people think it is. It's better. FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN -Romulus H3X

Thurak1 Psygod9 923	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:19:00 - [21] - Quote What ccp has done to cal sent is ridiculous. I have maxed pg cpu and even maxed core upgrade to get as much as i can out of every suit. My fitting choices are very very limited on a c1 dropsuit now. I can imagine it scales up from standard to proto. However on my c1 suit i cant use my blueprints. There just is not enough cpu / pg on the suit to even entertain the idea of using a bp. If i want to use 3 shield extenders i use 3 standard shield reg. I cant fit anything better than standard. I can fit snandard everything on the suit and thats it not advanced not militia. I also cant fit a forgegun on said suit. To do that i need to either get rid of sidearm and grenafde LOL or fit the hi slots will all regulators or leave empty. So yea the cal sentinals have been boned pretty good on this one. Also simply on a numbers standpoint it is now the lowest of ALL dropsuits in pg / cpu. Even my lousy dragonfly scout bpo has better cpu and pg.
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 737	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:19:00 - [22] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Maybe FoTM chasers are tired of you. Maybe I'm tired of your stupid posts. If you don't like my threads then you don't have to read them, or post on them. Mainly because no one gives a rats a$$ what you think. And if the FoTM chasers are tired of my threads, then I m doing it correctly, because the entire community is tired of them. Maybe the entire community is as naive as you. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
2Berries Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 221	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:19:00 - [23] - Quote Close the forums. Burning through clones like Rusty Venture.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 166	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:21:00 - [24] - Quote No SIR my decision was made in one day, i woke up early that morning excited for 1.8, and started my research and finshed about 4 hrs later. "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5157	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:24:00 - [25] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: No SIR my decision was made in one day, i woke up early that morning excited for 1.8, and started my research and finshed about 4 hrs later. Lies, its written in your DNA and you have known since birth. Only now are you expressing this through your personality. I was there, I know. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 167	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:29:00 - [26] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: No SIR my decision was made in one day, i woke up early that morning excited for 1.8, and started my research and finshed about 4 hrs later. Lies, its written in your DNA and you have known since birth. Only now are you expressing this through your personality. I was there, I know. lmfao i seem to remember my shotgun caressing the neck and spine of gallente scouts one after another(almost like a factory) matter afact only person i knew at that time that specced cal was lorelie zee and nitrobeacon(i think he specced cal been a long time). but due to your clever post that disipated my anger and made me chuckle have a like. "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1046	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:31:00 - [27] - Quote I think there is some sort of ego stroking being done by people who complain about FOTM. Part of Dust is that it constantly changes, trying to get ahead of the curve is part of the fun, weighing the choice of trying to make what you have work better versus skilling into something new is part of the challenge. Sometimes the changes need changing though, it is not a quest for the perfectly balanced game where everything remains static but one of constant change while maintaining reasonable balance. This means changing fits and playstyles and it isn't bad to choose what is effective. Because, that's why.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5158	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:34:00 - [28] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: No SIR my decision was made in one day, i woke up early that morning excited for 1.8, and started my research and finshed about 4 hrs later. Lies, its written in your DNA and you have known since birth. Only now are you expressing this through your personality. I was there, I know. lmfao i seem to remember my shotgun caressing the neck and spine of gallente scouts one after another(almost like a factory) matter afact only person i knew at that time that specced cal was lorelie zee and nitrobeacon(i think he specced cal been a long time). but due to your clever post that disipated my anger and made me chuckle have a like. He he, I don't think this thread applies to you. I'm expecting a lot of hate mail to my Amarr alt soon. Amarr scout and Amarr assault, oh my. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4588	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:36:00 - [29] - Quote I'm starting to laugh at all the cal scouts that die when they run into me now. Someone complained to me today about not having the precision bonus anymore...when I explained that it was because caldari scouts don't need to use anything in their high slots aside from extenders they said: "That's stupid. I like having my caldari scout with 400 shields." "Well you can still do that if you want to fight against heavies and other suits that you can already see. But if you want to have a chance against dampened scouts and assaults you now have to sacrifice tank to do so" My burst HMG is also super effective against caldari scouts. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 167	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:38:00 - [30] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: No SIR my decision was made in one day, i woke up early that morning excited for 1.8, and started my research and finshed about 4 hrs later. Lies, its written in your DNA and you have known since birth. Only now are you expressing this through your personality. I was there, I know. lmfao i seem to remember my shotgun caressing the neck and spine of gallente scouts one after another(almost like a factory) matter afact only person i knew at that time that specced cal was lorelie zee and nitrobeacon(i think he specced cal been a long time). but due to your clever post that disipated my anger and made me chuckle have a like. He he, I don't think this thread applies to you. I'm expecting a lot of hate mail to my Amarr alt soon. Amarr scout and Amarr assault, oh my. yeah i'm amarr assault too i'm prepared for the QQ shitstorm that is coming.........wheres my umbrella damn i'm not prepared "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"

Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1054	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:40:00 - [31] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I'm starting to laugh at all the cal scouts that die when they run into me now. Someone complained to me today about not having the precision bonus anymore...when I explained that it was because caldari scouts don't need to use anything in their high slots aside from extenders they said: "That's stupid. I like having my caldari scout with 400 shields." "Well you can still do that if you want to fight against heavies and other suits that you can already see. But if you want to have a chance against dampened scouts and assaults you now have to sacrifice tank to do so" My burst HMG is also super effective against caldari scouts. Burst HMG super effective vs everything. Also, best Cal Scout fit is with 3 precisions, 2 damps, a cloak, 1 shield extend, and my trusty Duvolle shotty
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 169	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:42:00 - [32] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I'm starting to laugh at all the cal scouts that die when they run into me now. Someone complained to me today about not having the precision bonus anymore...when I explained that it was because caldari scouts don't need to use anything in their high slots aside from extenders they said: "That's stupid. I like having my caldari scout with 400 shields." "Well you can still do that if you want to fight against heavies and other suits that you can already see. But if you want to have a chance against dampened scouts and assaults you now have to sacrifice tank to do so" My burst HMG is also super effective against caldari scouts. what game mode you playing? i'll fix that real quick like "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:56:00 - [33] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: What ccp has done to cal sent is ridiculous. I have maxed pg cpu and even maxed core upgrade to get as much as i can out of every suit. My fitting choices are very very limited on a c1 dropsuit now. I can imagine it scales up from standard to proto. However on my c1 suit i cant use my blueprints. There just is not enough cpu / pg on the suit to even entertain the idea of using a bp. If i want to use 3 shield extenders i use 3 standard shield reg. I cant fit anything better than standard. I can fit snandard everything on the suit and thats it not advanced not militia. I also cant fit a forgegun on said suit. To do that i need to either get rid of sidearm and grenafde LOL or fit the hi slots will all regulators or leave empty. So yea the cal sentinals have been boned pretty good on this one. Also simply on a numbers standpoint it is now the lowest of ALL dropsuits in pg / cpu. Even my lousy dragonfly scout bpo has better cpu and pg. You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons. When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:58:00 - [34] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Maybe FoTM chasers are tired of you. Maybe I'm tired of your stupid posts. If you don't like my threads then you don't have to read them, or post on them. Mainly because no one gives a rats a$$ what you think. And if the FoTM chasers are tired of my threads, then I m doing it correctly, because the entire community is tired of them. Maybe the entire community is as naive as you. Maybe your the naive one if you think your correct and everyone else wrong. Maybe you should find your way out of Dust and leave it to the people that can wear their big boy pants.
Immortal John Ripper 23956	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:58:00 - [35] - Quote you can't have a fotm chaser thread without mentioning zatara. Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
Thurak1 Psygod9 924	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:58:00 - [36] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Thurak1 wrote: What ccp has done to cal sent is ridiculous. I have maxed pg cpu and even maxed core upgrade to get as much as i can out of every suit. My fitting choices are very very limited on a c1 dropsuit now. I can imagine it scales up from standard to proto. However on my c1 suit i cant use my blueprints. There just is not enough cpu / pg on the suit to even entertain the idea of using a bp. If i want to use 3 shield extenders i use 3 standard shield reg. I cant fit anything better than standard. I can fit snandard everything on the suit and thats it not advanced not militia. I also cant fit a forgegun on said suit. To do that i need to either get rid of sidearm and grenafde LOL or fit the hi slots will all regulators or leave empty. So yea the cal sentinals have been boned pretty good on this one. Also simply on a numbers standpoint it is now the lowest of ALL dropsuits in pg / cpu. Even my lousy dragonfly scout bpo has better cpu and pg. You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons. When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want. You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again. Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:59:00 - [37] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: No SIR my decision was made in one day, i woke up early that morning excited for 1.8, and started my research and finshed about 4 hrs later. And in that 4 hours Cal Scout was already FoTM because everyone who is awake for when servers come back up after down times already had their Cal Scouts. So like i said you just followed behind everyone else.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1170	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:02:00 - [38] - Quote CCP makes the FotMs. I can't blame anyone for trying to stay alive. I can, however, kill every FotM ever with my longtime specialty. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4272	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:05:00 - [39] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE TIRED OF CCPS INEPT BALANCING THAT CREATES FOTM IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD?????? It's not inept balancing, it's balancing for two different scenarios. You've got pubs where vehicles will never be balanced and you've got PC where even the most OP vehicles were countered. I'm not aware of another FPS with so many different weapons and suits along with the array of fitting options. That isn't an easy balancing task. CCP should have given solo players ambush and the rest of the game should have been squad/team based. Balancing for team play would have been easier. But I also think respecs should come more often. With quick hot fixes they can keep "FOTM" from being too strong. But what is FOTM right now? Assaults, CR, Gal Scout, NK, Amarr Heavy, Burst HMG, ADS, or what? In 2 years of playing you are at a point where the balancing doesn't affect you all that much. But I'd like to keep the newer players that are actually participating in matches around. If they drastically change a bunch of stuff give the trees of those suits/weapons/mods back and let propel skill back into it or something else. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 209	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:06:00 - [40] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Thurak1 wrote: What ccp has done to cal sent is ridiculous. I have maxed pg cpu and even maxed core upgrade to get as much as i can out of every suit. My fitting choices are very very limited on a c1 dropsuit now. I can imagine it scales up from standard to proto. However on my c1 suit i cant use my blueprints. There just is not enough cpu / pg on the suit to even entertain the idea of using a bp. If i want to use 3 shield extenders i use 3 standard shield reg. I cant fit anything better than standard. I can fit snandard everything on the suit and thats it not advanced not militia. I also cant fit a forgegun on said suit. To do that i need to either get rid of sidearm and grenafde LOL or fit the hi slots will all regulators or leave empty. So yea the cal sentinals have been boned pretty good on this one. Also simply on a numbers standpoint it is now the lowest of ALL dropsuits in pg / cpu. Even my lousy dragonfly scout bpo has better cpu and pg. You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons. When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want. You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again. Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg. Ok and max pg/cpu and core passives are not max fitting skills, I see you didn't bother to read what i wrote either. Have you ever read the light weapon operations or heavy weapon operations skills? It lowers cpu of all weapons in that skill sections, and weapon fitting opti skills lower pg of that weapon. So having to repeat myself Ill say it again, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL FITTING SKILLS MAXED OUT AND YOU CAN'T FIR STUFF THEN CRY ABOUT CPU/PG NOT BEING ENOUGH. UNTIL THEN STOP CRYING THAT YOUR SUIT CAN'T FIT STUFF. You have 3 out of 5 fitting skills maxed out but your not done becaue you still need 2 out of 5 skills.

iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 169	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:07:00 - [41] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: No SIR my decision was made in one day, i woke up early that morning excited for 1.8, and started my research and finshed about 4 hrs later. And in that 4 hours Cal Scout was already FoTM because everyone who is awake for when servers come back up after down times already had their Cal Scouts. So like i said you just followed behind everyone else. that remark right there proves your a ignorant jackass with a empty arqument, to assume a fotm is established in under 4 hrs, dear lord come back when you have some solid reasoning "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Thurak1 Psygod9 924	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:10:00 - [42] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: King Kobrah wrote: MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE TIRED OF CCPS INEPT BALANCING THAT CREATES FOTM IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD?????? It's not inept balancing, it's balancing for two different scenarios. You've got pubs where vehicles will never be balanced and you've got PC where even the most OP vehicles were countered. I'm not aware of another FPS with so many different weapons and suits along with the array of fitting options. That isn't an easy balancing task. CCP should have given solo players ambush and the rest of the game should have been squad/team based. Balancing for team play would have been easier. But I also think respecs should come more often. With quick hot fixes they can keep "FOTM" from being too strong. But what is FOTM right now? Assaults, CR, Gal Scout, NK, Amarr Heavy, Burst HMG, ADS, or what? In 2 years of playing you are at a point where the balancing doesn't affect you all that much. But I'd like to keep the newer players that are actually participating in matches around. If they drastically change a bunch of stuff give the trees of those suits/weapons/mods back and let propel skill back into it or something else. You give CCP a lot of undue credit. CCP goes about attempting to strike balance in a ridiculously haphazard fashion. For example how a IT pro would go about something like bringing a weapon into balance because it is op. Determin if it is the ROF or the damage per bullet that would help bring it in line better. Then adjust the ROF or the damage per bullet. How CCP would do this. reduce ROF, reduce clip size, increase reload time, reduce damage per bullet, and increase everyones armor and resistance to said gun.
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 719	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:13:00 - [43] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: hmm?.....so i'm condemned for making an informed decision on what suit to choose that suits my playstyle. At the start of 1.8 i chose cal scout because I knew cloaking/dampening would be a pain in the arse due to the active scanner "fixes" and to ensure I was making the right choice I took the time to read the description, compare slot layouts/bonus to other scouts, make many experimental fits on protofits, ask my corpmates their opinion, invest it to lvl 1 to run the experimental fits^(that i made on protofits) and then liking how it felt skilled to lvl 5. and you have the audacity to call me fotm chaser!!!!! I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT MADE IT BECOME FOTM, IT'S ALL YOU DAMN SCRUBS THAT CAME RUNNING FROM THE GALLENTE SCOUT NERF THAT ARE THE FOTM CHASERS!!!! so mad i about shlt my dropsuit This is exactly what Tech is saying. A lot of people are speccing current meta rather than making what they like work. It is actually a defining trait of FOTM. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1010	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:21:00 - [44] - Quote Quote: Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible? I'm quite amused that you assume people to recognize and not spec into 'to-good-to-be-true'-stuff, while it's OK for CCP to release an update with 'to-good-to-be-true'-stuff? HELL, this game could even be better of thanks to "FOTM-chasers" so this game could be balanced more quickly. All real logic got thrown out of the window, just so the OP could cry and whine about "FOTM-users" whining and crying. This thread is stupid as ****.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 169	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:22:00 - [45] - Quote @ spectre really you assume too much sir. I never said i stopped using cal scout matter of fact i have 3 fits left. ewar shotty (4 complex precision, 2 complex dampeners) pairs nicely with range bonus. ehp scr (2 complex shield, 2 complex precision, 2 complex armor) pairs nicely with dampening *speed cr/nk(2 complex shield,2 complex precision, 2 complex kincats) pairs nicely with both bonuses. never assume and put words in other ppl's mouth my friend "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Thurak1 Psygod9 925	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:23:00 - [46] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Thurak1 wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Thurak1 wrote: What ccp has done to cal sent is ridiculous. I have maxed pg cpu and even maxed core upgrade to get as much as i can out of every suit. My fitting choices are very very limited on a c1 dropsuit now. I can imagine it scales up from standard to proto. However on my c1 suit i cant use my blueprints. There just is not enough cpu / pg on the suit to even entertain the idea of using a bp. If i want to use 3 shield extenders i use 3 standard shield reg. I cant fit anything better than standard. I can fit snandard everything on the suit and thats it not advanced not militia. I also cant fit a forgegun on said suit. To do that i need to either get rid of sidearm and grenafde LOL or fit the hi slots will all regulators or leave empty. So yea the cal sentinals have been boned pretty good on this one. Also simply on a numbers standpoint it is now the lowest of ALL dropsuits in pg / cpu. Even my lousy dragonfly scout bpo has better cpu and pg. You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons. When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want. You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again. Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg. Ok and max pg/cpu and core passives are not max fitting skills, I see you didn't bother to read what i wrote either. Have you ever read the light weapon operations or heavy weapon operations skills? It lowers cpu of all weapons in that skill sections, and weapon fitting opti skills lower pg of that weapon. So having to repeat myself Ill say it again, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL FITTING SKILLS MAXED OUT AND YOU CAN'T FIR STUFF THEN CRY ABOUT CPU/PG NOT BEING ENOUGH. UNTIL THEN STOP CRYING THAT YOUR SUIT CAN'T FIT STUFF. You have 3 out of 5 fitting skills maxed out but your not done becaue you still need 2 out of 5 skills. Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue with the skill tree. the ONLY skill that reduced cpu and pg of a weapon are the ones that are specific to that weapon. Go ahaid look it up. Also its % based and here is a shocker. I found my math incorrect. HMG fitting opt at lvl 5 will give me a whopping 2 more pg. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES! I at least hope when ccp shoves a pipe up the cornhole of the fitting you use i will be there to squirt some lemon in the hole. You act as though i am talking about using a proto hmg on a basic suit but had you have read my original statement you might have picked up that i am talking about not even being able to fit 3 shield extenders ( you know what caldari are actually supposed to be good at ) with really anything other than basic gear. I also cant fit a forge gun on said fitting. The suit is so **** poor low on pg / cpu that i cant fit 3 shield extenders a sidearm a grenade and a forgegun. Not even with max forge gun fitting opt. Take a look yourself at protofits.com if you dont believe me.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4272	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:31:00 - [47] - Quote RKKR wrote: Quote: Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible? I'm quite amused that you assume people to recognize and not spec into 'to-good-to-be-true'-stuff, while it's OK for CCP to release an update with 'to-good-to-be-true'-stuff? HELL, this game could even be better of thanks to "FOTM-chasers" so this game could be balanced more quickly. All real logic got thrown out of the window, just so the OP could cry and whine about "FOTM-users" whining and crying. This thread is stupid as **. The "you should have known it was OP" crowd are easily the dumbest you'll ever see in gaming. Level 4 Forum Warrior** Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 210	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:44:00 - [48] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Thurak1 wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Thurak1 wrote: What ccp has done to cal sent is ridiculous. I have maxed pg cpu and even maxed core upgrade to get as much as i can out of every suit. My fitting choices are very very limited on a c1 dropsuit now. I can imagine it scales up from standard to proto. However on my c1 suit i cant use my blueprints. There just is not enough cpu / pg on the suit to even entertain the idea of using a bp. If i want to use 3 shield extenders i use 3 standard shield reg. I cant fit anything better than standard. I can fit snandard everything on the suit and thats it not advanced not militia. I also cant fit a forgegun on said suit. To do that i need to either get rid of sidearm and grenafde LOL or fit the hi slots will all regulators or leave empty. So yea the cal sentinals have been boned pretty good on this one. Also simply on a numbers standpoint it is now the lowest of ALL dropsuits in pg / cpu. Even my lousy dragonfly scout bpo has better cpu and pg. You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons. When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want. You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again. Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg. Ok and max pg/cpu and core passives are not max fitting skills, I see you didn't bother to read what i wrote either. Have you ever read the light weapon operations or heavy weapon operations skills? It lowers cpu of all weapons in that skill sections, and weapon fitting opti skills lower pg of that weapon. So having to repeat myself Ill say it again, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL FITTING SKILLS MAXED OUT AND YOU CAN'T FIR STUFF THEN CRY ABOUT CPU/PG NOT BEING ENOUGH. UNTIL THEN STOP CRYING THAT YOUR SUIT CAN'T FIT STUFF. You have 3 out of 5 fitting skills maxed out but your not done becaue you still need 2 out of 5 skills. Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue with the skill tree. the ONLY skill that reduced cpu and pg of a weapon are the ones that are specific to that weapon. Go ahaid look it up. Also its % based and here is a shocker. I found my math incorrect. HMG fitting opt at lvl 5 will give me a whopping 2 more pg. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES! I at least hope when ccp shoves a pipe up the cornhole of the fitting you use i will be there to squirt some lemon in the hole. You act as though i am talking about using a proto hmg on a basic suit but had you have read my original statement you might have picked up that i am talking about not even being able to fit 3 shield extenders ( you know what caldari are actually supposed to be good at ) with really anything other than basic gear. I also cant fit a forge gun on said fitting. The suit is so **** poor low on pg / cpu that i cant fit 3 shield extenders a sidearm a grenade and a forgegun. Not even with max forge gun fitting opt. Take a look yourself at protofits.com if you dont believe me. AGAIN BECAUSE CCP DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE WITH FULL PROTO SUIT RUNNING AROUND. MEANING PROTO SUIT WITH ALL PROTO MODS AND PROTO WEAPONS. THAT IS WHY THEY DID THAT, AND 2 PG CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD ALONG WITH HEAVY WEAPON OPERATIONS SINCE IT LOWERS CXPU COSTS OF ALL HEAVY WEAPONS. BUT SINCE YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN TO REASON ILL JUST SAY THIS, LEARN TO TAKER THE ADVISE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE OF DUST, IM TALKING ABOUT THE WEEK 1 CLOSED BETA VETS THAT UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF FITTING A SUIT. tHE CHEAPER YOU MAKE STUFF COST ON YOUR SUIT THE MORE YOU CAN FIT, AND IF THAT DON'T MAKE SENCE TO YOU THEN YOUR A LOST CASE.
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 740	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:47:00 - [49] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Maybe FoTM chasers are tired of you. Maybe I'm tired of your stupid posts. If you don't like my threads then you don't have to read them, or post on them. Mainly because no one gives a rats a$$ what you think. And if the FoTM chasers are tired of my threads, then I m doing it correctly, because the entire community is tired of them. Maybe the entire community is as naive as you. Maybe your the naive one if you think your correct and everyone else wrong. Maybe you should find your way out of Dust and leave it to the people that can wear their big boy pants. Maybe you mean you're. Maybe an entire community can be wrong(Mike Brown). Maybe if you had a **** you could pee standing up. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2459	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:52:00 - [50] - Quote K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Beh!

Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1529	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:54:00 - [51] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits. "They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec" "I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff" Etc, etc, etc............ Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible? If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got. Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM. All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal. It's nothing to do with FOTM and everything to do with swapping suit roles arbitrarily and without warning. They basically made the amarr scout the cal scout (precision bonus) and the cal scout the old gal scout (dampening+range bonuses). When a suit is (allegedly) OP the solution is to reduce its power while keeping it in the same general role. The solution is not to take its bonus away and assign it a new one using a randomizing device.
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1529	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:55:00 - [52] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. Your meme isn't going to catch on, give it up already.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5171	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:56:00 - [53] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. This was old two months ago. Lol, quality corp name. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 171	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:57:00 - [54] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: What ccp has done to cal sent is ridiculous. I have maxed pg cpu and even maxed core upgrade to get as much as i can out of every suit. My fitting choices are very very limited on a c1 dropsuit now. I can imagine it scales up from standard to proto. However on my c1 suit i cant use my blueprints. There just is not enough cpu / pg on the suit to even entertain the idea of using a bp. If i want to use 3 shield extenders i use 3 standard shield reg. I cant fit anything better than standard. I can fit snandard everything on the suit and thats it not advanced not militia. I also cant fit a forgegun on said suit. To do that i need to either get rid of sidearm and grenafde LOL or fit the hi slots will all regulators or leave empty. So yea the cal sentinals have been boned pretty good on this one. Also simply on a numbers standpoint it is now the lowest of ALL dropsuits in pg / cpu. Even my lousy dragonfly scout bpo has better cpu and pg. i was just playing about on protofits with the caldari sentinel and dont see a problem with what your on about and none of the weapons i fit had the fitting skill. me thinks your over exaggerating i wish my std assault cost 12g and came with about 1300 hp and a bfg deader than A line flares with pockets in the knees
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2459	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:58:00 - [55] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. Your meme isn't going to catch on, give it up already. Maybe I should switch to how unbalanced something is... K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Beh!
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2462	Posted - 2014.08.16 18:59:00 - [56] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. This was old two months ago. Lol, quality corp name. Sometimes modesty is a lie. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Beh!
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2462	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:00:00 - [57] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. This was old two months ago. So was Everest. Go move it. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Beh!
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1531	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:02:00 - [58] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. This was old two months ago. Lol, quality corp name. Why think you. It was either that or 'Scrub Corp', I compromised and went with Eurotrash Pubstars with SKRBZ as the ticker
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5175	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:03:00 - [59] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this. This was old two months ago. Lol, quality corp name. Why think you. It was either that or 'Scrub Corp', I compromised and went with Eurotrash Pubstars with SKRBZ as the ticker I understand that humour all too well. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 212	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:09:00 - [60] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Maybe FoTM chasers are tired of you. Maybe I'm tired of your stupid posts. If you don't like my threads then you don't have to read them, or post on them. Mainly because no one gives a rats a$$ what you think. And if the FoTM chasers are tired of my threads, then I m doing it correctly, because the entire community is tired of them. Maybe the entire community is as naive as you. Maybe your the naive one if you think your correct and everyone else wrong. Maybe you should find your way out of Dust and leave it to the people that can wear their big boy pants. Maybe you mean you're. Maybe an entire community can be wrong(Mike Brown). Maybe if you had a **** you could pee standing up. Okay now I see I'm dealing with an immature child, I'm happy your suit got screwed over like the rest. As a Min scout my suit has never gotten touched by any nerf so I'm all good. And even when scouts were crap i was a min scout and still did good with it. So it's not the suit it's the player.

Kira Takizawa UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E 199	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:34:00 - [61] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Im really tired of ccp changing everything so the suit i orginally skilled to is now useless so now i have to skill into a new suit and that makes me a FOTM chaser even tho its not my fault OR you could stick with what you originally had and make it work for you but I guess you're either lazy or a fotmer at heart.. This is coming from a guy that's been Minja scouting since 1.3 or 1.4 (don't remember been awhile) till now..
Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 720	Posted - 2014.08.16 19:52:00 - [62] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: @ spectre really you assume too much sir. I never said i stopped using cal scout matter of fact i have 3 fits left. ewar shotty (4 complex precision, 2 complex dampeners) pairs nicely with range bonus. ehp scr (2 complex shield, 2 complex precision, 2 complex armor) pairs nicely with dampening *speed cr/nk(2 complex shield,2 complex precision, 2 complex kincats) pairs nicely with both bonuses. never assume and put words in other ppl's mouth my friend I don't blame you nor did I put words in your mouth. You explained that you chose a suit because of current meta. This game is competitive enough that I don't blame the player, I blame the game. But it also reflects perfectly that people have to sacrifice any immersion for battle field meta which sucks. Oh and the three fits you're rocking are also a good example of having to yield to meta while also trying to keep true to form. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 740	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:04:00 - [63] - Quote Okay now I see I'm dealing with an immature child, I'm happy your suit got screwed over like the rest. As a Min scout my suit has never gotten touched by any nerf so I'm all good. And even when scouts were crap i was a min scout and still did good with it. So it's not the suit it's the player. [/quote] Maybe if your suit WAS ever touched you could possibly understand the gripes people have. Maybe I just won, thanks for playing. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:14:00 - [64] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits. "They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec" "I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff" Etc, etc, etc............ Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible? If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got. Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM. All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal. Please then, explain the difference between someone who wasted sp on FoTM and wasting sp on a suit they wanted just because it looked fun to them.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 217	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:31:00 - [65] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: Okay now I see I'm dealing with an immature child, I'm happy your suit got screwed over like the rest. As a Min scout my suit has never gotten touched by any nerf so I'm all good. And even when scouts were crap i was a min scout and still did good with it. So it's not the suit it's the player. Maybe if your suit WAS ever touched you could possibly understand the gripes people have. Maybe I just won, thanks for playing.[/quote] Actually if I remember correctly there were some changes to the MIn Scout in charlie. I think my pg/cpu got changed slightly and so did my suit eWAR stats( before passives ) because i have to use a second complex dampener to get under most scans now. I chose min scout for 1 reason the hacking bonus, because as a scout i believe my job is to get intell on the nenmy while being able to take objectives as fast as possible while not being seen. For the longest time scouts, especially the min scout were at the bottom of the barrel, but i never once cried for a respec or askd for them to be buffed in any way and I'm not doing it now. So if i can find ways to make the suit i chose work for my play style, why can't others?
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 217	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:41:00 - [66] - Quote Beastlina wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits. "They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec" "I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff" Etc, etc, etc............ Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible? If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got. Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM. All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal. Please then, explain the difference between someone who wasted sp on FoTM and wasting sp on a suit they wanted just because it looked fun to them. Simple, when a person picks a suit that has the most OP passive skill combination for that suit class, then after it gets changed jumps on the next one. Example #1--------People who chose Cal Logi at start of Uprising because it gave reduction to equipment and gave shield extenders a bonus hp as it passives------then when it got changed never used it again-------then cried for respec when it got because they said they had wasted sp. Example #2--------People who chose to use the tac-ar only because it had the longest range------ then after it got nerfed never touched it again--------then cried for a respec because of wasted sp. Those are the FoTM chasers.
Thurak1 Psygod9 928	Posted - 2014.08.16 20:59:00 - [67] - Quote You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons. When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want.[/quote] You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again. Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg.[/quote] Ok and max pg/cpu and core passives are not max fitting skills, I see you didn't bother to read what i wrote either. Have you ever read the light weapon operations or heavy weapon operations skills? It lowers cpu of all weapons in that skill sections, and weapon fitting opti skills lower pg of that weapon. So having to repeat myself Ill say it again, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL FITTING SKILLS MAXED OUT AND YOU CAN'T FIR STUFF THEN CRY ABOUT CPU/PG NOT BEING ENOUGH. UNTIL THEN STOP CRYING THAT YOUR SUIT CAN'T FIT STUFF. You have 3 out of 5 fitting skills maxed out but your not done becaue you still need 2 out of 5 skills. [/quote] Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue with the skill tree. the ONLY skill that reduced cpu and pg of a weapon are the ones that are specific to that weapon. Go ahaid look it up. Also its % based and here is a shocker. I found my math incorrect. HMG fitting opt at lvl 5 will give me a whopping 2 more pg. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES! I at least hope when ccp shoves a pipe up the cornhole of the fitting you use i will be there to squirt some lemon in the hole. You act as though i am talking about using a proto hmg on a basic suit but had you have read my original statement you might have picked up that i am talking about not even being able to fit 3 shield extenders ( you know what caldari are actually supposed to be good at ) with really anything other than basic gear. I also cant fit a forge gun on said fitting. The suit is so **** poor low on pg / cpu that i cant fit 3 shield extenders a sidearm a grenade and a forgegun. Not even with max forge gun fitting opt. Take a look yourself at protofits.com if you dont believe me.[/quote] AGAIN BECAUSE CCP DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE WITH FULL PROTO SUIT RUNNING AROUND. MEANING PROTO SUIT WITH ALL PROTO MODS AND PROTO WEAPONS. THAT IS WHY THEY DID THAT, AND 2 PG CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD ALONG WITH HEAVY WEAPON OPERATIONS SINCE IT LOWERS CXPU COSTS OF ALL HEAVY WEAPONS. BUT SINCE YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN TO REASON ILL JUST SAY THIS, LEARN TO TAKER THE ADVISE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE OF DUST, IM TALKING ABOUT THE WEEK 1 CLOSED BETA VETS THAT UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF FITTING A SUIT. tHE CHEAPER YOU MAKE STUFF COST ON YOUR SUIT THE MORE YOU CAN FIT, AND IF THAT DON'T MAKE SENCE TO YOU THEN YOUR A LOST CASE.[/quote] HA PROTO I WISH! I CANT EVEN FIT ADVANCED! IN A C1 SUIT I CAN FIT STANDARD GEAR ONLY! NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE NOTHING! NOT EVEN FOR A FORGE GUN! NOW THAT THIS IS ALL IN CAPS CAN YOU FINALLY READ IT OR SHOULD I RUN IT THROUGH GOOGLE TRANSLATE TO SOME LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND?!
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:10:00 - [68] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Beastlina wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits. "They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec" "I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff" Etc, etc, etc............ Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible? If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got. Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM. All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal. Please then, explain the difference between someone who wasted sp on FoTM and wasting sp on a suit they wanted just because it looked fun to them. Simple, when a person picks a suit that has the most OP passive skill combination for that suit class, then after it gets changed jumps on the next one. Example #1--------People who chose Cal Logi at start of Uprising because it gave reduction to equipment and gave shield extenders a bonus hp as it passives------then when it got changed never used it again-------then cried for respec when it got because they said they had wasted sp. Example #2--------People who chose to use the tac-ar only because it had the longest range------ then after it got nerfed never touched it again--------then cried for a respec because of wasted sp. Those are the FoTM chasers. Ok so you like you said you skilled into Minja for the bonus hacking, if they took the hacking and nova knife bonus passive and put it on gallente scout and gave dampening and precision to the min scout would you switch to gallente or keep using the min scout even though it doesn't do what you liked it for in the first place anymore?
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 173	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:25:00 - [69] - Quote @ spectre yes sadly the competitiveness of this game does require me to wear certain modules to perform at an acceptable level, however all the choices i make regarding sp comes down to 3 factors. it fits my playstyle(and yes my playstyle is changed accordling time to time again ,it is called staying on your toes). the utility of the gear contributes to battles in a big way *versatility , it must be useful in more than one area, if not it is circumstantial and the sp involved can be spent elsewhere. I'm a slayer at heart i have amarr assault,commando,sentinel, and logi, cal scout and assault, and gal scout(speed uplink fit for pc), All of which are slayer suits if used correctly, so as you can see i don't flock too one specific suit because it happens to be op atm. so am I a fotm chaser for speccing slayer suits? I think not I spec what allows me to slay in every part of the map not just one suit. and don't even say fotms' of old cause 1.8 came with dropsuit command respec. "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5184	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:27:00 - [70] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: @ spectre yes sadly the competitiveness of this game does require me to wear certain modules to perform at an acceptable level, however all the choices i make regarding sp comes down to 3 factors. it fits my playstyle(and yes my playstyle is changed accordling time to time again ,it is called staying on your toes). the utility of the gear contributes to battles in a big way *versatility , it must be useful in more than one area, if not it is circumstantial and the sp involved can be spent elsewhere. I'm a slayer at heart i have amarr assault,commando,sentinel, and logi, cal scout and assault, and gal scout(speed uplink fit for pc), All of which are slayer suits if used correctly, so as you can see i don't flock too one specific suit because it happens to be op atm. so am I a fotm chaser for speccing slayer suits? I think not I spec what allows me to slay in every part of the map not just one suit. and don't even say fotms' of old cause 1.8 came with dropsuit command respec. Fotm chaser and fotms. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.

TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5184	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:28:00 - [71] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons. When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want. You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again. Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg.[/quote] Ok and max pg/cpu and core passives are not max fitting skills, I see you didn't bother to read what i wrote either. Have you ever read the light weapon operations or heavy weapon operations skills? It lowers cpu of all weapons in that skill sections, and weapon fitting opti skills lower pg of that weapon. So having to repeat myself Ill say it again, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL FITTING SKILLS MAXED OUT AND YOU CAN'T FIR STUFF THEN CRY ABOUT CPU/PG NOT BEING ENOUGH. UNTIL THEN STOP CRYING THAT YOUR SUIT CAN'T FIT STUFF. You have 3 out of 5 fitting skills maxed out but your not done becaue you still need 2 out of 5 skills. [/quote] Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue with the skill tree. the ONLY skill that reduced cpu and pg of a weapon are the ones that are specific to that weapon. Go ahaid look it up. Also its % based and here is a shocker. I found my math incorrect. HMG fitting opt at lvl 5 will give me a whopping 2 more pg. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES! I at least hope when ccp shoves a pipe up the cornhole of the fitting you use i will be there to squirt some lemon in the hole. You act as though i am talking about using a proto hmg on a basic suit but had you have read my original statement you might have picked up that i am talking about not even being able to fit 3 shield extenders ( you know what caldari are actually supposed to be good at ) with really anything other than basic gear. I also cant fit a forge gun on said fitting. The suit is so **** poor low on pg / cpu that i cant fit 3 shield extenders a sidearm a grenade and a forgegun. Not even with max forge gun fitting opt. Take a look yourself at protofits.com if you dont believe me.[/quote] AGAIN BECAUSE CCP DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE WITH FULL PROTO SUIT RUNNING AROUND. MEANING PROTO SUIT WITH ALL PROTO MODS AND PROTO WEAPONS. THAT IS WHY THEY DID THAT, AND 2 PG CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD ALONG WITH HEAVY WEAPON OPERATIONS SINCE IT LOWERS CXPU COSTS OF ALL HEAVY WEAPONS. BUT SINCE YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN TO REASON ILL JUST SAY THIS, LEARN TO TAKER THE ADVISE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE OF DUST, IM TALKING ABOUT THE WEEK 1 CLOSED BETA VETS THAT UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF FITTING A SUIT. tHE CHEAPER YOU MAKE STUFF COST ON YOUR SUIT THE MORE YOU CAN FIT, AND IF THAT DON'T MAKE SENCE TO YOU THEN YOUR A LOST CASE.[/quote] HA PROTO I WISH! I CANT EVEN FIT ADVANCED! IN A C1 SUIT I CAN FIT STANDARD GEAR ONLY! NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE NOTHING! NOT EVEN FOR A FORGE GUN! NOW THAT THIS IS ALL IN CAPS CAN YOU FINALLY READ IT OR SHOULD I RUN IT THROUGH GOOGLE TRANSLATE TO SOME LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND?![/quote] In Urdu. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 705	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:32:00 - [72] - Quote Lots of passion in this thread. You guys realize FoTM literally is self explanatory to mean something else will be the flavor next month, meaning everyone will get a turn because CCP can't balance? The fatheads around here turned it into an insult towards players, FOTM chasers. Problem is - how do you chase a flavor that takes a month to grind for? SP cap per week is 350kSP roughly, even with boosters, to spec into the new FOTM would take some time. Which means, most people would of already had some sort of investment in that area and is just simply utilizing the new stats/bonus/changes You all make me glad I left GD and hide in War Room.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 174	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:50:00 - [73] - Quote @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 174	Posted - 2014.08.16 21:55:00 - [74] - Quote and in regards to the sentinel issue i have no trouble fitting my amarr sentinel( I don't have max skills either) so why should the cal sentinel suffer when i don't ??? logic you tards use it!!! "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4279	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:03:00 - [75] - Quote I've got 12 ADV suits (3 of them proto), 8 of 10 LW are at least Prof 3, 2 HW at least Prof 3, and 4 SA Proto. My DS upgrades is maxed as well. I can't be considered FOTM. I've grinded and grinded and I'd rejoice if CCP reduced multipliers, gave respecs, or whatever else they'd need to do to get these matches to be competitive more often. I'm not worried about setting "policies" for long term Legion SP and ISK criteria. I want the game I love to stay active and to be fun. I'll take that over hardcore "choices" or in match financial decisions all day. I can't believe at this stage people are still worried about the 7 year skill tree. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5186	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:06:00 - [76] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
Immortal John Ripper 23983	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:08:00 - [77] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. But Amarr is master race? Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
General John Ripper 23984	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:08:00 - [78] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. But Amarr is master race? Vote Ripper 4 Goon. Spoiler Alert Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 176	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:09:00 - [79] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5190	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:10:00 - [80] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. But Amarr is master race? On my alt, yes. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.

TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5190	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:11:00 - [81] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised Haha, you totally pwned my little sphincter. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game 178	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:15:00 - [82] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised Haha, you totally pwned my little sphincter. regardless of our diffrences i have to say i have enjoyed this battle of wits with you, only if others could compete at your capacity the forums would be fun again "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5191	Posted - 2014.08.16 22:31:00 - [83] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: @ tech "fotm chaser and fotms" wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward hi-ho silver and awaaay gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity I was clearly joking. and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised Haha, you totally pwned my little sphincter. regardless of our diffrences i have to say i have enjoyed this battle of wits with you, only if others could compete at your capacity the forums would be fun again I'm just messing around most of the time, it is fun. There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
Michael Arck 5244	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:02:00 - [84] - Quote I am skilled into Assault, Logistics, Sentinel, Commando and Scout. They are all Caldari suits. And each and every one of them are not the same as when I first skilled into them. I had no problem in the beginning with the tinkering. I adjusted. But now, its gotten real old. An idea is celebrated, implemented, and then the community says it too much. CCP changes the roles and have you to deal with it. My Caldari scout is no longer the scout that we all celebrated and drooled over in the beginning. My long awaited CalSen is no longer the same due to complaints. My Sentinel is no longer the same due to complaints. My logistics is no longer the same due to complaints. Each change to these suits were to lessen their level of threat for the general population or changed to prevent people from playing them a certain way. That's a bit stupid and irritating. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4283	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:14:00 - [85] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Well, when they change the dropsuit that it doesn't play the way it was implemented just a month before, I think I would be pissed too. In fact, this is what I've dealt with for the two years I've played, though I never really moaned about it. But now its just getting to be too much. Nothing stays the same, always flip flopping. That's what pisses me off. Stop tinkering with the dropsuits. I like that they try to get it right, but I don't get why people think it's so bad to give options to people when they do. If your game is thriving then I think you can be stingy about things. Hell in a lot of cases things vets warned about came true and even then people weren't offered respecs. It just created a LOT of animosity. When a mistake is made and it leads to an expectation of weeks of grinding to move to a competitive fit (not FOTM, but competitive) I think it compounds the animosity. Dust isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but the anger it's caused just created bad attitudes. All for some I3ullshit thing about choices matter, when nearly half the dropsuits and weapons weren't even available. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Michael Arck 5244	Posted - 2014.08.17 00:17:00 - [86] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Well, when they change the dropsuit that it doesn't play the way it was implemented just a month before, I think I would be pissed too. In fact, this is what I've dealt with for the two years I've played, though I never really moaned about it. But now its just getting to be too much. Nothing stays the same, always flip flopping. That's what pisses me off. Stop tinkering with the dropsuits. I like that they try to get it right, but I don't get why people think it's so bad to give options to people when they do. If your game is thriving then I think you can be stingy about things. Hell in a lot of cases things vets warned about came true and even then people weren't offered respecs. It just created a LOT of animosity. When a mistake is made and it leads to an expectation of weeks of grinding to move to a competitive fit (not FOTM, but competitive) I think it compounds the animosity. Dust isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but the anger it's caused just created bad attitudes. All for some I3ullshit thing about choices matter, when nearly half the dropsuits and weapons weren't even available. great observation. well said. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Toby Flenderson research lab 575	Posted - 2014.08.17 01:32:00 - [87] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: hmm?.....so i'm condemned for making an informed decision on what suit to choose that suits my playstyle. At the start of 1.8 i chose cal scout because I knew cloaking/dampening would be a pain in the arse due to the active scanner "fixes" and to ensure I was making the right choice I took the time to read the description, compare slot layouts/bonus to other scouts, make many experimental fits on protofits, ask my corpmates their opinion, invest it to lvl 1 to run the experimental fits^(that i made on protofits) and then liking how it felt skilled to lvl 5. and you have the audacity to call me fotm chaser!!!!! I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT MADE IT BECOME FOTM, IT'S ALL YOU DAMN SCRUBS THAT CAME RUNNING FROM THE GALLENTE SCOUT NERF THAT ARE THE FOTM CHASERS!!!! so mad i about shlt my dropsuit You didn't do sh!t except spec into one of the more OP scout suits and nothing else, because while you were sitting on the fence asking questions and making fits o proto fits, people went straight to level 5 in cal scout. S by the time you put points into cal scout people already had them. So all you did was follow the pack and go with the FoTM. You just described someone making an a decision based on analysis of stats/preferences/opinions available before the suit was realized to be OP and then telling them that they followed people that skipped those steps just because of timing. That doesn't make sense. By that logic, no one could have possibly chosen the suit without being a FOTM chaser, regardless of whether or not you did it first or because it was what you truly wanted to do.
Toby Flenderson research lab 575	Posted - 2014.08.17 01:45:00 - [88] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Robocop Junior wrote: Okay now I see I'm dealing with an immature child, I'm happy your suit got screwed over like the rest. As a Min scout my suit has never gotten touched by any nerf so I'm all good. And even when scouts were crap i was a min scout and still did good with it. So it's not the suit it's the player. Maybe if your suit WAS ever touched you could possibly understand the gripes people have. Maybe I just won, thanks for playing. Actually if I remember correctly there were some changes to the MIn Scout in charlie. I think my pg/cpu got changed slightly and so did my suit eWAR stats( before passives ) because i have to use a second complex dampener to get under most scans now. I chose min scout for 1 reason the hacking bonus, because as a scout i believe my job is to get intell on the nenmy while being able to take objectives as fast as possible while not being seen. For the longest time scouts, especially the min scout were at the bottom of the barrel, but i never once cried for a respec or askd for them to be buffed in any way and I'm not doing it now. So if i can find ways to make the suit i chose work for my play style, why can't others?[/quote] How would you feel if they removed that hacking bonus from the Min scout and gave it to the Cal scout? I'm curious because I seem to be one update behind the FOTM (trying the flaylock post-nerd, scout suits in Uprising after the beta, etc.) so I've never expected more out of a suit/weapon than I thought it might have a couple months down the line. I don't think this argument is about a OP suit being nerfed, it's just a drop suit changing roles. That's why I mention the Min scout in my first post, it's never been "OP" by forum standards. So what would you say if they got rid of the one reason you picked the suit without offering you the SP back to skill into the new hack suit?
iliel 0uter.Heaven 119	Posted - 2014.08.17 04:57:00 - [89] - Quote Cal Scout's still good - - perhaps even better given the current meta. The nerf/transformation of the Cal Scout into Amarr scout meant nothing but that the Gal Scout be that much more powerful. A single complex dampener now (rather than the two complex damps pre-Charlie) makes the Gal Scout invisible to every suit except the Gal Logi. If that's not balanced, I don't know what is.
Espartoi Orkz Clan 327	Posted - 2014.08.17 05:30:00 - [90] - Quote Maybe if Youtubers here stop uploading videos about what is OP, there won't be too many chasers running around like bitches. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.

RKKR The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1010	Posted - 2014.08.17 08:01:00 - [91] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Simple, when a person picks a suit that has the most OP passive skill combination for that suit class, then after it gets changed jumps on the next one. Why does CCP design a suit like this in the first place? Quote: Example #1--------People who chose Cal Logi at start of Uprising because it gave reduction to equipment and gave shield extenders a bonus hp as it passives------then when it got changed never used it again-------then cried for respec when it got because they said they had wasted sp. Example #2--------People who chose to use the tac-ar only because it had the longest range------ then after it got nerfed never touched it again--------then cried for a respec because of wasted sp. Cal Logi didn't gave a reduction to equipment after uprising. It's the previous assault players that chose the CalLogi as slayerlogi. It took CCP long enough so most people had SP enough to skill it up aswell just so they could be competitive with the rest, but lets call them "FOTM"-chasers to make you huys happy. Then you got those people that skilled up CalLogi to be an actual logi...guess what happened? Those shields seemed to be a good way to survive the powerful explosion spam back than...gone, but worse was the CPU nerf, the CalLogi now has to dedicate his extra low-slot for a CPU-mod while limited to 3 equipment slots. I guess those logi players were wrong to complain they got nerfed? Quote: Those are the FoTM chasers. You guys have no problem with respect or "FOTM"-chasers, just with your idea that this game is "complete" and everything has to be viewed from this "completeness".
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1685	Posted - 2014.08.17 10:04:00 - [92] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE TIRED OF CCPS INEPT BALANCING THAT CREATES FOTM IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD?????? There is never gonna be a game that has Balance, you can not gauge if 100 rof equals 5 more bullets in another gun or if 25% more range is gonna negate the ability to reload 25% faster. There are just too many different variables to take into account. And FOTM chasers will always exist because it gives them an edge, an edge they need to compensate for their lack of skill. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"


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