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Kira Takizawa
UNIVERSAL C.A.R.N.A.G.E
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Posted - 2014.08.16 19:34:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Im really tired of ccp changing everything so the suit i orginally skilled to is now useless so now i have to skill into a new suit and that makes me a FOTM chaser even tho its not my fault
OR you could stick with what you originally had and make it work for you but I guess you're either lazy or a fotmer at heart.. This is coming from a guy that's been Minja scouting since 1.3 or 1.4 (don't remember been awhile) till now.. |
Spectre-M
The Generals
Anime Empire.
720
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Posted - 2014.08.16 19:52:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:@ spectre
really you assume too much sir.
I never said i stopped using cal scout matter of fact i have 3 fits left.
*ewar shotty (4 complex precision, 2 complex dampeners) pairs nicely with range bonus.
*ehp scr (2 complex shield, 2 complex precision, 2 complex armor) pairs nicely with dampening
*speed cr/nk(2 complex shield,2 complex precision, 2 complex kincats) pairs nicely with both bonuses.
never assume and put words in other ppl's mouth my friend
I don't blame you nor did I put words in your mouth. You explained that you chose a suit because of current meta.
This game is competitive enough that I don't blame the player, I blame the game. But it also reflects perfectly that people have to sacrifice any immersion for battle field meta which sucks.
Oh and the three fits you're rocking are also a good example of having to yield to meta while also trying to keep true to form.
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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Robocop Junior
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
740
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:04:00 -
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Okay now I see I'm dealing with an immature child, I'm happy your suit got screwed over like the rest.
As a Min scout my suit has never gotten touched by any nerf so I'm all good. And even when scouts were crap i was a min scout and still did good with it. So it's not the suit it's the player.
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Maybe if your suit WAS ever touched you could possibly understand the gripes people have. Maybe I just won, thanks for playing.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:14:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits.
"They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec"
"I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff"
Etc, etc, etc............
Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible?
If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got.
Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM.
All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal.
Please then, explain the difference between someone who wasted sp on FoTM and wasting sp on a suit they wanted just because it looked fun to them. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
217
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:31:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:
Okay now I see I'm dealing with an immature child, I'm happy your suit got screwed over like the rest.
As a Min scout my suit has never gotten touched by any nerf so I'm all good. And even when scouts were crap i was a min scout and still did good with it. So it's not the suit it's the player.
Maybe if your suit WAS ever touched you could possibly understand the gripes people have. Maybe I just won, thanks for playing.[/quote]
Actually if I remember correctly there were some changes to the MIn Scout in charlie.
I think my pg/cpu got changed slightly and so did my suit eWAR stats( before passives ) because i have to use a second complex dampener to get under most scans now.
I chose min scout for 1 reason the hacking bonus, because as a scout i believe my job is to get intell on the nenmy while being able to take objectives as fast as possible while not being seen. For the longest time scouts, especially the min scout were at the bottom of the barrel, but i never once cried for a respec or askd for them to be buffed in any way and I'm not doing it now.
So if i can find ways to make the suit i chose work for my play style, why can't others? |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
217
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:41:00 -
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Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits.
"They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec"
"I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff"
Etc, etc, etc............
Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible?
If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got.
Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM.
All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal. Please then, explain the difference between someone who wasted sp on FoTM and wasting sp on a suit they wanted just because it looked fun to them.
Simple, when a person picks a suit that has the most OP passive skill combination for that suit class, then after it gets changed jumps on the next one.
Example #1--------People who chose Cal Logi at start of Uprising because it gave reduction to equipment and gave shield extenders a bonus hp as it passives------then when it got changed never used it again-------then cried for respec when it got because they said they had wasted sp.
Example #2--------People who chose to use the tac-ar only because it had the longest range------ then after it got nerfed never touched it again--------then cried for a respec because of wasted sp.
Those are the FoTM chasers.
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Thurak1
Psygod9
928
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:59:00 -
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You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons.
When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want.[/quote]
You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again.
Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg.[/quote]
Ok and max pg/cpu and core passives are not max fitting skills, I see you didn't bother to read what i wrote either.
Have you ever read the light weapon operations or heavy weapon operations skills? It lowers cpu of all weapons in that skill sections, and weapon fitting opti skills lower pg of that weapon.
So having to repeat myself Ill say it again, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL FITTING SKILLS MAXED OUT AND YOU CAN'T FIR STUFF THEN CRY ABOUT CPU/PG NOT BEING ENOUGH. UNTIL THEN STOP CRYING THAT YOUR SUIT CAN'T FIT STUFF. You have 3 out of 5 fitting skills maxed out but your not done becaue you still need 2 out of 5 skills.
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Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue with the skill tree.
the ONLY skill that reduced cpu and pg of a weapon are the ones that are specific to that weapon. Go ahaid look it up. Also its % based and here is a shocker. I found my math incorrect. HMG fitting opt at lvl 5 will give me a whopping 2 more pg. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES! I at least hope when ccp shoves a pipe up the cornhole of the fitting you use i will be there to squirt some lemon in the hole.
You act as though i am talking about using a proto hmg on a basic suit but had you have read my original statement you might have picked up that i am talking about not even being able to fit 3 shield extenders ( you know what caldari are actually supposed to be good at ) with really anything other than basic gear. I also cant fit a forge gun on said fitting.
The suit is so **** poor low on pg / cpu that i cant fit 3 shield extenders a sidearm a grenade and a forgegun. Not even with max forge gun fitting opt.
Take a look yourself at protofits.com if you dont believe me.[/quote]
AGAIN BECAUSE CCP DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE WITH FULL PROTO SUIT RUNNING AROUND. MEANING PROTO SUIT WITH ALL PROTO MODS AND PROTO WEAPONS. THAT IS WHY THEY DID THAT, AND 2 PG CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD ALONG WITH HEAVY WEAPON OPERATIONS SINCE IT LOWERS CXPU COSTS OF ALL HEAVY WEAPONS.
BUT SINCE YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN TO REASON ILL JUST SAY THIS, LEARN TO TAKER THE ADVISE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE OF DUST, IM TALKING ABOUT THE WEEK 1 CLOSED BETA VETS THAT UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF FITTING A SUIT.
tHE CHEAPER YOU MAKE STUFF COST ON YOUR SUIT THE MORE YOU CAN FIT, AND IF THAT DON'T MAKE SENCE TO YOU THEN YOUR A LOST CASE.[/quote]
HA PROTO I WISH! I CANT EVEN FIT ADVANCED! IN A C1 SUIT I CAN FIT STANDARD GEAR ONLY! NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE NOTHING! NOT EVEN FOR A FORGE GUN! NOW THAT THIS IS ALL IN CAPS CAN YOU FINALLY READ IT OR SHOULD I RUN IT THROUGH GOOGLE TRANSLATE TO SOME LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND?! |
Beastlina
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:10:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Beastlina wrote:843-Vika wrote:Lately all i see on the forums is the FoTM chasers crying and whining about there suits.
"They ruined my cal scout so now i need a respec"
"I don't have max fitting skills and i can't fit all proto on my suit, it need a pg/cpu buff"
Etc, etc, etc............
Didn't you people learn by now that if something seems to good to be true that it will get changed as soon as posible?
If you did then why the hell are you still going into the new FoTM instead of learning to use what you got.
Do you people know how many times i hear FoTM chasers cry and whine that they can't fit stuff because they wasted sp on the FoTM and now can't upgrade any fiotting skills, so when the FoTM changes they are whine and cry and b!tch that they need or deserve a respec because the suit or weapon they are using got change and its not the way it was before, and they want to spec into the new FoTM.
All I really have to say is CCP stop caving to the scrubs and changing things and giving respecs so they can chase the next FoTM, you are the devs, not the players and you should decide what happens and what does not happen towards development in the game. You had a diamond of a game and by listening to the scrubs whine and cry you have turned into a lump of coal. Please then, explain the difference between someone who wasted sp on FoTM and wasting sp on a suit they wanted just because it looked fun to them. Simple, when a person picks a suit that has the most OP passive skill combination for that suit class, then after it gets changed jumps on the next one. Example #1--------People who chose Cal Logi at start of Uprising because it gave reduction to equipment and gave shield extenders a bonus hp as it passives------then when it got changed never used it again-------then cried for respec when it got because they said they had wasted sp. Example #2--------People who chose to use the tac-ar only because it had the longest range------ then after it got nerfed never touched it again--------then cried for a respec because of wasted sp. Those are the FoTM chasers.
Ok so you like you said you skilled into Minja for the bonus hacking, if they took the hacking and nova knife bonus passive and put it on gallente scout and gave dampening and precision to the min scout would you switch to gallente or keep using the min scout even though it doesn't do what you liked it for in the first place anymore? |
iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
173
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:25:00 -
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@ spectre
yes sadly the competitiveness of this game does require me to wear certain modules to perform at an acceptable level, however all the choices i make regarding sp comes down to 3 factors.
*it fits my playstyle(and yes my playstyle is changed accordling time to time again ,it is called staying on your toes).
*the utility of the gear contributes to battles in a big way
*versatility , it must be useful in more than one area, if not it is circumstantial and the sp involved can be spent elsewhere.
I'm a slayer at heart i have amarr assault,commando,sentinel, and logi, cal scout and assault, and gal scout(speed uplink fit for pc), All of which are slayer suits if used correctly, so as you can see i don't flock too one specific suit because it happens to be op atm.
so am I a fotm chaser for speccing slayer suits? I think not I spec what allows me to slay in every part of the map not just one suit.
and don't even say fotms' of old cause 1.8 came with dropsuit command respec.
"uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5184
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:27:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:@ spectre
yes sadly the competitiveness of this game does require me to wear certain modules to perform at an acceptable level, however all the choices i make regarding sp comes down to 3 factors.
*it fits my playstyle(and yes my playstyle is changed accordling time to time again ,it is called staying on your toes).
*the utility of the gear contributes to battles in a big way
*versatility , it must be useful in more than one area, if not it is circumstantial and the sp involved can be spent elsewhere.
I'm a slayer at heart i have amarr assault,commando,sentinel, and logi, cal scout and assault, and gal scout(speed uplink fit for pc), All of which are slayer suits if used correctly, so as you can see i don't flock too one specific suit because it happens to be op atm.
so am I a fotm chaser for speccing slayer suits? I think not I spec what allows me to slay in every part of the map not just one suit.
and don't even say fotms' of old cause 1.8 came with dropsuit command respec.
Fotm chaser and fotms.
There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5184
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:28:00 -
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Thurak1 wrote:
You don't have max fitting skills if you dont have heavy/light weapon operations at level 5 since it lowers cpu cost of heavy/light weapons and if you don't have the weapon fitting opti skills to lower pg costs of weapons.
When you get those then you can cry that cpu/pg is to low, but then again CCP DOES NOT want people to be able fit proto everything on your suit. They want you to have to sacrifice some thing to get the proto stuff you want.
You obviously did not read what i wrote. Please come back and try again.
Also HMG fitting optimization is % based and a very low number. for a standard gear HMG it reduces 1 whole pg.[/quote]
Ok and max pg/cpu and core passives are not max fitting skills, I see you didn't bother to read what i wrote either.
Have you ever read the light weapon operations or heavy weapon operations skills? It lowers cpu of all weapons in that skill sections, and weapon fitting opti skills lower pg of that weapon.
So having to repeat myself Ill say it again, WHEN YOU HAVE ALL FITTING SKILLS MAXED OUT AND YOU CAN'T FIR STUFF THEN CRY ABOUT CPU/PG NOT BEING ENOUGH. UNTIL THEN STOP CRYING THAT YOUR SUIT CAN'T FIT STUFF. You have 3 out of 5 fitting skills maxed out but your not done becaue you still need 2 out of 5 skills.
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Clearly you have a reading comprehension issue with the skill tree.
the ONLY skill that reduced cpu and pg of a weapon are the ones that are specific to that weapon. Go ahaid look it up. Also its % based and here is a shocker. I found my math incorrect. HMG fitting opt at lvl 5 will give me a whopping 2 more pg. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES! I at least hope when ccp shoves a pipe up the cornhole of the fitting you use i will be there to squirt some lemon in the hole.
You act as though i am talking about using a proto hmg on a basic suit but had you have read my original statement you might have picked up that i am talking about not even being able to fit 3 shield extenders ( you know what caldari are actually supposed to be good at ) with really anything other than basic gear. I also cant fit a forge gun on said fitting.
The suit is so **** poor low on pg / cpu that i cant fit 3 shield extenders a sidearm a grenade and a forgegun. Not even with max forge gun fitting opt.
Take a look yourself at protofits.com if you dont believe me.[/quote]
AGAIN BECAUSE CCP DOES NOT WANT PEOPLE WITH FULL PROTO SUIT RUNNING AROUND. MEANING PROTO SUIT WITH ALL PROTO MODS AND PROTO WEAPONS. THAT IS WHY THEY DID THAT, AND 2 PG CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD ALONG WITH HEAVY WEAPON OPERATIONS SINCE IT LOWERS CXPU COSTS OF ALL HEAVY WEAPONS.
BUT SINCE YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN TO REASON ILL JUST SAY THIS, LEARN TO TAKER THE ADVISE OF THE ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE OF DUST, IM TALKING ABOUT THE WEEK 1 CLOSED BETA VETS THAT UNDERSTAND THE BASICS OF FITTING A SUIT.
tHE CHEAPER YOU MAKE STUFF COST ON YOUR SUIT THE MORE YOU CAN FIT, AND IF THAT DON'T MAKE SENCE TO YOU THEN YOUR A LOST CASE.[/quote]
HA PROTO I WISH! I CANT EVEN FIT ADVANCED! IN A C1 SUIT I CAN FIT STANDARD GEAR ONLY! NO ROOM FOR ANYTHING ELSE NOTHING! NOT EVEN FOR A FORGE GUN! NOW THAT THIS IS ALL IN CAPS CAN YOU FINALLY READ IT OR SHOULD I RUN IT THROUGH GOOGLE TRANSLATE TO SOME LANGUAGE YOU UNDERSTAND?![/quote]
In Urdu.
There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
705
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:32:00 -
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Lots of passion in this thread.
You guys realize FoTM literally is self explanatory to mean something else will be the flavor next month, meaning everyone will get a turn because CCP can't balance?
The fatheads around here turned it into an insult towards players, FOTM chasers. Problem is - how do you chase a flavor that takes a month to grind for? SP cap per week is 350kSP roughly, even with boosters, to spec into the new FOTM would take some time.
Which means, most people would of already had some sort of investment in that area and is just simply utilizing the new stats/bonus/changes
You all make me glad I left GD and hide in War Room.
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iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
174
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:50:00 -
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@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity*
"uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
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iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
174
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:55:00 -
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and in regards to the sentinel issue i have no trouble fitting my amarr sentinel( I don't have max skills either) so why should the cal sentinel suffer when i don't ???
logic you tards use it!!!
"uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4279
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:03:00 -
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I've got 12 ADV suits (3 of them proto), 8 of 10 LW are at least Prof 3, 2 HW at least Prof 3, and 4 SA Proto. My DS upgrades is maxed as well.
I can't be considered FOTM.
I've grinded and grinded and I'd rejoice if CCP reduced multipliers, gave respecs, or whatever else they'd need to do to get these matches to be competitive more often.
I'm not worried about setting "policies" for long term Legion SP and ISK criteria. I want the game I love to stay active and to be fun. I'll take that over hardcore "choices" or in match financial decisions all day. I can't believe at this stage people are still worried about the 7 year skill tree.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5186
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:06:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity*
I was clearly joking.
There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
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Immortal John Ripper
23983
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:08:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity* I was clearly joking.
But Amarr is master race?
Vote Ripper 4 Goon.
Spoiler Alert
Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:08:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity* I was clearly joking.
But Amarr is master race?
Vote Ripper 4 Goon.
Spoiler Alert
Tenzin dies in legend of Korra today.
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iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
176
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:09:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity* I was clearly joking.
and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised
"uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5190
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:10:00 -
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Immortal John Ripper wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity* I was clearly joking. But Amarr is master race?
On my alt, yes.
There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:11:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity* I was clearly joking. and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised
Haha, you totally pwned my little sphincter.
There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
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iKILLu osborne
Dead Man's Game
178
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:15:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity* I was clearly joking. and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised Haha, you totally pwned my little sphincter.
regardless of our diffrences i have to say i have enjoyed this battle of wits with you,
only if others could compete at your capacity the forums would be fun again
"uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot that installation made me crap my dropsuit"
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
5191
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:31:00 -
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iKILLu osborne wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:@ tech
"fotm chaser and fotms"
wow you just said anything amarr is fotm seems a bit biased to me go home troll you shall be ignored from this point onward
hi-ho silver and awaaay *gallops away knowing his enemy had already been defeated by their own stupidity* I was clearly joking. and mario jumped on the flag pole and a white flag was raised Haha, you totally pwned my little sphincter. regardless of our diffrences i have to say i have enjoyed this battle of wits with you, only if others could compete at your capacity the forums would be fun again
I'm just messing around most of the time, it is fun.
There he goes. One of gods own prototypes.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:02:00 -
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I am skilled into Assault, Logistics, Sentinel, Commando and Scout. They are all Caldari suits. And each and every one of them are not the same as when I first skilled into them. I had no problem in the beginning with the tinkering. I adjusted.
But now, its gotten real old. An idea is celebrated, implemented, and then the community says it too much. CCP changes the roles and have you to deal with it.
My Caldari scout is no longer the scout that we all celebrated and drooled over in the beginning. My long awaited CalSen is no longer the same due to complaints. My Sentinel is no longer the same due to complaints. My logistics is no longer the same due to complaints. Each change to these suits were to lessen their level of threat for the general population or changed to prevent people from playing them a certain way. That's a bit stupid and irritating.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4283
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:14:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Well, when they change the dropsuit that it doesn't play the way it was implemented just a month before, I think I would be pissed too.
In fact, this is what I've dealt with for the two years I've played, though I never really moaned about it. But now its just getting to be too much. Nothing stays the same, always flip flopping. That's what pisses me off. Stop tinkering with the dropsuits.
I like that they try to get it right, but I don't get why people think it's so bad to give options to people when they do. If your game is thriving then I think you can be stingy about things. Hell in a lot of cases things vets warned about came true and even then people weren't offered respecs. It just created a LOT of animosity. When a mistake is made and it leads to an expectation of weeks of grinding to move to a competitive fit (not FOTM, but competitive) I think it compounds the animosity.
Dust isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but the anger it's caused just created bad attitudes.
All for some I3ullshit thing about choices matter, when nearly half the dropsuits and weapons weren't even available.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:17:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Well, when they change the dropsuit that it doesn't play the way it was implemented just a month before, I think I would be pissed too.
In fact, this is what I've dealt with for the two years I've played, though I never really moaned about it. But now its just getting to be too much. Nothing stays the same, always flip flopping. That's what pisses me off. Stop tinkering with the dropsuits. I like that they try to get it right, but I don't get why people think it's so bad to give options to people when they do. If your game is thriving then I think you can be stingy about things. Hell in a lot of cases things vets warned about came true and even then people weren't offered respecs. It just created a LOT of animosity. When a mistake is made and it leads to an expectation of weeks of grinding to move to a competitive fit (not FOTM, but competitive) I think it compounds the animosity. Dust isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be, but the anger it's caused just created bad attitudes. All for some I3ullshit thing about choices matter, when nearly half the dropsuits and weapons weren't even available.
great observation. well said.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Toby Flenderson
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:32:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:iKILLu osborne wrote:hmm?.....so i'm condemned for making an informed decision on what suit to choose that suits my playstyle. At the start of 1.8 i chose cal scout because I knew cloaking/dampening would be a pain in the arse due to the active scanner "fixes" and to ensure I was making the right choice I took the time to read the description, compare slot layouts/bonus to other scouts, make many experimental fits on protofits, ask my corpmates their opinion, invest it to lvl 1 to run the experimental fits^(that i made on protofits) and then liking how it felt skilled to lvl 5. and you have the audacity to call me fotm chaser!!!!! I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT MADE IT BECOME FOTM, IT'S ALL YOU DAMN SCRUBS THAT CAME RUNNING FROM THE GALLENTE SCOUT NERF THAT ARE THE FOTM CHASERS!!!! so mad i about shlt my dropsuit  You didn't do sh!t except spec into one of the more OP scout suits and nothing else, because while you were sitting on the fence asking questions and making fits o proto fits, people went straight to level 5 in cal scout. S by the time you put points into cal scout people already had them. So all you did was follow the pack and go with the FoTM.
You just described someone making an a decision based on analysis of stats/preferences/opinions available before the suit was realized to be OP and then telling them that they followed people that skipped those steps just because of timing. That doesn't make sense. By that logic, no one could have possibly chosen the suit without being a FOTM chaser, regardless of whether or not you did it first or because it was what you truly wanted to do. |
Toby Flenderson
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:45:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:
Okay now I see I'm dealing with an immature child, I'm happy your suit got screwed over like the rest.
As a Min scout my suit has never gotten touched by any nerf so I'm all good. And even when scouts were crap i was a min scout and still did good with it. So it's not the suit it's the player.
Maybe if your suit WAS ever touched you could possibly understand the gripes people have. Maybe I just won, thanks for playing.
Actually if I remember correctly there were some changes to the MIn Scout in charlie.
I think my pg/cpu got changed slightly and so did my suit eWAR stats( before passives ) because i have to use a second complex dampener to get under most scans now.
I chose min scout for 1 reason the hacking bonus, because as a scout i believe my job is to get intell on the nenmy while being able to take objectives as fast as possible while not being seen. For the longest time scouts, especially the min scout were at the bottom of the barrel, but i never once cried for a respec or askd for them to be buffed in any way and I'm not doing it now.
So if i can find ways to make the suit i chose work for my play style, why can't others?[/quote]
How would you feel if they removed that hacking bonus from the Min scout and gave it to the Cal scout? I'm curious because I seem to be one update behind the FOTM (trying the flaylock post-nerd, scout suits in Uprising after the beta, etc.) so I've never expected more out of a suit/weapon than I thought it might have a couple months down the line. I don't think this argument is about a OP suit being nerfed, it's just a drop suit changing roles. That's why I mention the Min scout in my first post, it's never been "OP" by forum standards. So what would you say if they got rid of the one reason you picked the suit without offering you the SP back to skill into the new hack suit? |
iliel
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Posted - 2014.08.17 04:57:00 -
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Cal Scout's still good - - perhaps even better given the current meta.
The nerf/transformation of the Cal Scout into Amarr scout meant nothing but that the Gal Scout be that much more powerful. A single complex dampener now (rather than the two complex damps pre-Charlie) makes the Gal Scout invisible to every suit except the Gal Logi. If that's not balanced, I don't know what is. |
Espartoi
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Posted - 2014.08.17 05:30:00 -
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Maybe if Youtubers here stop uploading videos about what is OP, there won't be too many chasers running around like bitches.
Shoot Smash Stomp Chop.
Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
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