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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4671	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:09:00 - [1] - Quote Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 404	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:10:00 - [2] - Quote DOTA Saying what's on people's minds
King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1588	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:11:00 - [3] - Quote Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Patrlck 56 435	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:12:00 - [4] - Quote Except all those people going batshit crazy because Bungie won't let them keep their stats when Destiny releases. Come on people, you didn't sign up to play the full game.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2599	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:14:00 - [5] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance GTFIn or GTFOut Dust 514 is for alternate player consciousnesses only
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 1281	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:24:00 - [6] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. Adults who can't control themselves and/or with almost no internet/forum/social/speech experience. Other than that, normal gaming community. I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.
Beastlina Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:24:00 - [7] - Quote Dust is a shooter (skills based game) and also an mmo (time and investment based game) this game is not all skill, that's a fact. That means some people can be more competitive without being as good as the person they are beating because of skill bonuses from suits, ehp, and weapon damage output. There IS a lot of skill involved but time played and role chosen affect performance as well. It makes sense that people would complain more here as opposed to a game forum like say, league of legends where the game is entirely skill based beside earning runes which everyone is able to do relatively quickly. EDIT: Just wanted to add that these forums are probably the most mature that i have ever witnessed for an online game. Especially compared to LoL or any asian style mmorpg forum. Where most people give unrelated answers to legit questions to try and get a laugh or an upvote.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14704	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:25:00 - [8] - Quote Did you seriously just call dust a "competitive community" I just Ten Year Plan (pâÄa¦át¢èa¦á)pâÄs+íGö+GöüGö+
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11457	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:26:00 - [9] - Quote Because the DEVs actually listen to feedback? DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Espartoi Orkz Clan 323	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:26:00 - [10] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance Yeah Because League of Legends, DOTA and Smite are pretty freaking balanced. The community will become that with time there already are starting in the local chat with the am a pro and uninstall, the disease will spread even more just give it some time. Defiance feels better even with the specific that i can't like from that open world. I can see events with more than 40 players without lagging like hell. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.

Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1043	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:29:00 - [11] - Quote no! tears up why are you so mean to me tears start to flow down my face i dont need this drowns in river of tears
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9082	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:30:00 - [12] - Quote I say the level of whining here is higher than any other game/simulator I have ever been in throughout my life. Of course, some of the whining is warranted like when people complained about the proto SL change as the new reticule for the sniper rifle, but I'm talking about whiners who whine for no reason other than to just whine and you see them whining over things that are not even or are no longer game breaking. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1163	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:33:00 - [13] - Quote GTAO is worse AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Espartoi Orkz Clan 323	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:35:00 - [14] - Quote Beastlina wrote: Dust is a shooter (skills based game) and also an mmo (time and investment based game) this game is not all skill, that's a fact. That means some people can be more competitive without being as good as the person they are beating because of skill bonuses from suits, ehp, and weapon damage output. There IS a lot of skill involved but time played and role chosen affect performance as well. It makes sense that people would complain more here as opposed to a game forum like say, league of legends where the game is entirely skill based beside earning runes which everyone is able to do relatively quickly. League of Legends is a joke(choose the OP champion you can get use to it pretty fast and there you go), skills bullcrap, competitive players more bullcrap they are just winning kiddos who doesn't respect other players(that is not competitive), am glad that @opera.com domain was shut down if not i will still be able to see that account. Bloodline Champions i start when just was released was fun until i leave, when i comeback with other account the game become equally bullcrap, after the tutorial the new players where trashed instantly only because for being new to the game, at least was balanced. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 5015	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:41:00 - [15] - Quote much true, such true. Earn 500Mil EVE 21 Day Trial Chat Channel: Vik PC
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4673	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:51:00 - [16] - Quote Beastlina wrote: Dust is a shooter (skills based game) and also an mmo (time and investment based game) this game is not all skill, that's a fact. That means some people can be more competitive without being as good as the person they are beating because of skill bonuses from suits, ehp, and weapon damage output. There IS a lot of skill involved but time played and role chosen affect performance as well. It makes sense that people would complain more here as opposed to a game forum like say, league of legends where the game is entirely skill based beside earning runes which everyone is able to do relatively quickly. EDIT: Just wanted to add that these forums are probably the most mature that i have ever witnessed for an online game. Especially compared to LoL or any asian style mmorpg forum. Where most people give unrelated answers to legit questions to try and get a laugh or an upvote. This is a good point. I personally like Rattati's attitude towards balance, but I think he has an impossible job. There doesn't seem to be a way to placate the community on anything. If the scout does what it needs to do, its overpowered to everyone else. If the heavy does what its supposed to do, it's overpowered to everyone else. If the assault can kill any target, nobody feels the need to play anything else. If the logi can't kill anything, he's underpowered, and if he can kill other people he's better then the assault therefore overpowered. If tanks are better than infantry, zomg how dare they be better thats not fair. If tanks are as good as infantry, then whats the point of spending the money on a tank? It's an endless cycle of stupid arguing.
Espartoi Orkz Clan 323	Posted - 2014.08.16 03:51:00 - [17] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I say the level of whining here is higher than any other game/simulator I have ever been in throughout my life. Of course, some of the whining is warranted like when people complained about the proto SL change as the new reticule for the sniper rifle, but I'm talking about whiners who whine for no reason other than to just whine and you see them whining over things that are not even or are no longer game breaking. -"I don't like anti-infantry tanks cos' they kill infantry, nerf them". -"I can't insta kill with the Scrambler rifle, buff them". -"I can't harass tank with my ADS, buff them". -"I don't like Combat rifles they shoot bullets with too much speed, nerf them enough times until they become at the same level of the Flaylock along with all of the Minmatar gear". -"I don't like splash damage, remove them". -"Turrets use aim assist and they shoot me, disabled them". -"Heavier weapons do stagger effect i don't like to feel like that, remove it is not tactical". -"I want respec". My personal complains. -"Matches looks like clown circus, and at specific hours like Proto clown circus". -"Players with full BPO doesn't care about matches they prefer to ruin it before do something useful". -"I get disappointed after see what a PC really is". Come on people add something. Until this thread gets locked. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.
Gemini Cuspid 116	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:06:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Because the DEVs actually listen to feedback? Wait really? No really? What's next, we've confirmed the existence of the Lockness monster now? If we assume they listened to the community feedback and researched it, the game wouldn't be in this condition at all. Massive updates with now Dust limited to just hot fixes means they're not so much listening to what the feedback is but basically keeping the ship from sinking. If this game were a ship, it'd be the Titan after hitting an iceberg where everyone in charge is calm and collective and unable to ** bricks as to the horrible fate awaiting them. This ship WILL sink and it's not a case of "if" but "when". Anyone since launch knows the litany of rants that have plagued this game. And while I agree the playerbase doesn't always knows what's best, the same can be said of the developers too. And unless i take Rat's words out of context, hotfixes and no updates means they can only do so much to effect the game dynamics. The fact that we're still tweaking game balance a year into the game isn't a positive sign in any way, shape or form. Himiko Kuronaga wrote:** Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. The old counter strike community....They probably created the first ever rage quits and memes on it before anyone. They're probably on the top 3 of all-time youtube worthy moments even. The difference is that a lot of ppl have had time to adjust to raging since then. It's not like it's disappeared but has only shrunk. There's also the new player-dev frame of communications whether it be forums or social media where you can vent your rage. Back then you'd just take a keyboard and whack the guy next to you.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4674	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:09:00 - [19] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Atiim wrote: Because the DEVs actually listen to feedback? Wait really? No really? What's next, we've confirmed the existence of the Lockness monster now? If we assume they listened to the community feedback and researched it, the game wouldn't be in this condition at all. Massive updates with now Dust limited to just hot fixes means they're not so much listening to what the feedback is but basically keeping the ship from sinking. If this game were a ship, it'd be the Titan after hitting an iceberg where everyone in charge is calm and collective and unable to ** bricks as to the horrible fate awaiting them. This ship WILL sink and it's not a case of "if" but "when". Anyone since launch knows the litany of rants that have plagued this game. And while I agree the playerbase doesn't always knows what's best, the same can be said of the developers too. And unless i take Rat's words out of context, hotfixes and no updates means they can only do so much to effect the game dynamics. The fact that we're still tweaking game balance a year into the game isn't a positive sign in any way, shape or form. Himiko Kuronaga wrote:** Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. The old counter strike community....They probably created the first ever rage quits and memes on it before anyone. They're probably on the top 3 of all-time youtube worthy moments even. The difference is that a lot of ppl have had time to adjust to raging since then. It's not like it's disappeared but has only shrunk. There's also the new player-dev frame of communications whether it be forums or social media where you can vent your rage. Back then you'd just take a keyboard and whack the guy next to you. So, cut the devs out of the picture entirely and you think people will start to shut up?
Espartoi Orkz Clan 323	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:13:00 - [20] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Atiim wrote: Because the DEVs actually listen to feedback? Wait really? No really? What's next, we've confirmed the existence of the Lockness monster now? If we assume they listened to the community feedback and researched it, the game wouldn't be in this condition at all. Massive updates with now Dust limited to just hot fixes means they're not so much listening to what the feedback is but basically keeping the ship from sinking. If this game were a ship, it'd be the Titan after hitting an iceberg where everyone in charge is calm and collective and unable to ** bricks as to the horrible fate awaiting them. This ship WILL sink and it's not a case of "if" but "when". Anyone since launch knows the litany of rants that have plagued this game. And while I agree the playerbase doesn't always knows what's best, the same can be said of the developers too. And unless i take Rat's words out of context, hotfixes and no updates means they can only do so much to effect the game dynamics. The fact that we're still tweaking game balance a year into the game isn't a positive sign in any way, shape or form. Himiko Kuronaga wrote:** Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. The old counter strike community....They probably created the first ever rage quits and memes on it before anyone. They're probably on the top 3 of all-time youtube worthy moments even. The difference is that a lot of ppl have had time to adjust to raging since then. It's not like it's disappeared but has only shrunk. There's also the new player-dev frame of communications whether it be forums or social media where you can vent your rage. Back then you'd just take a keyboard and whack the guy next to you. Add Hawken to the list please. Shoot Smash Stomp Chop. Am a Giant Realistic Flying Tiger.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 3172	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:13:00 - [21] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. Theoretically is the key word... Member of a Dead Alliance and Dead Corp Coming through, still better than you FOTM corp hopping whores
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 405	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:15:00 - [22] - Quote We did this thread already bro. There is no enlightenment to be had. If it was a perfect world, you would die from shock dude. Give it up already. Saying what's on people's minds
Kalante Schiffer Pure Evil. 688	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:21:00 - [23] - Quote It has been proven that people who whine about everything are bad players. People who are complaining about the sniper change is understandable i dont even snipe and that circle is just bad, definitely not practical. jiffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffmxfffffffoiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiifvossssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 663	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:29:00 - [24] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. This community cries about crying more then anywhere else I know.
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 908	Posted - 2014.08.16 04:40:00 - [25] - Quote because CCP listens. most others dont *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 501	Posted - 2014.08.16 06:23:00 - [26] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: DOTA LOL is worse..much worse.. even more worse then "COD-Kiddies" [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 407	Posted - 2014.08.16 06:25:00 - [27] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: DOTA LOL is worse..much worse.. even more worse then "COD-Kiddies" yea bro, its real bad over there. I guess OP has no idea. Saying what's on people's minds
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 501	Posted - 2014.08.16 06:28:00 - [28] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: DOTA LOL is worse..much worse.. even more worse then "COD-Kiddies" yea bro, its real bad over there. I guess OP has no idea. that goes with out saying. at least in DOTA people arnt that Toxic and even some can give a few helpful hints or explanations to newbies granted they state they are newbie. but there is still a problem with players leaving matches if they are loseing [[LogiBro in Training]] Level 1 Forum Pariah
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4676	Posted - 2014.08.16 07:32:00 - [29] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: DOTA LOL is worse..much worse.. even more worse then "COD-Kiddies" yea bro, its real bad over there. I guess OP has no idea. I wouldn't. I don't play any game I know It's impossible for me to become the top in. MOBA's and RTS are in that category. Fighting games and FPS are not out of my reach though, so I endure.
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 160	Posted - 2014.08.16 08:17:00 - [30] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Nothing I say is meant to offend... unless you're stupid. - Mr. Welch

TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5134	Posted - 2014.08.16 08:24:00 - [31] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance Thank you, ffs. Dust has never and will never, ever be competitive. The most competitive game mode in dust, believe it or not, is the academy but there's still imbalances in suits and they are newbs. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5134	Posted - 2014.08.16 08:27:00 - [32] - Quote Anyway yeah, dust is the worst by far. Iv never seen such blatant 1 track mind thinking anywhere. Iv never seen so many people base their own views on balance based on the fact that they are sht like this anywhere else. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1163	Posted - 2014.08.16 08:36:00 - [33] - Quote playing dust is like watching old yeller get shot AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 932	Posted - 2014.08.16 08:39:00 - [34] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. That would be because most other games don't make changes to the environment without testing them first, because the result is often an inflammatory result as can be seen here. Most other games have a person who is dedicated to a singular role or more if they can change characters to do so, which allows them to take a realistic view of the environment the game is in. DUST, however, does not have such a thing. This is why they make the CPM because they do not have as much commitment to the game as other developers do. Smaller development teams (Red5) and Larger development teams (Blizzard) both take the time to actually run their ideas through a private server to evaluate with these said specialized individuals. But CCP does not. Why? They have never given a reason. Things like armor balance vs weapon damage is something that CCP has never understood. EVER. They amplified bullet damage a while back, then wondered why people were not enjoying the game because they were dying too quickly. They thought this would be a great way to get Aurum sales up, but it failed horribly. Nobody wanted to buy such things that would collapse faster than they could recognize their use. Since that time, they have been INCREASING the health and shields of EVERY SUIT across the board. Makes you wonder why they don't just drop weapon damage instead to get to the same result faster. Or it does, until you realize they don't like looking "inconclusive" so if they give a patch, they don't like completely reversing it the next iteration, they try to sidestep around for 4 patches or so until they're back at the point they originally left from. Basically, they make bad decisions, but don't want to admit it publicly, so they try to side step around with "new decisions" to try to make it look like they "have a definite path" when really they just walked back and forth over the same spot 4 times... http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4681	Posted - 2014.08.16 10:23:00 - [35] - Quote The fact that people complain about balance in the game proves that people are competing on some level. The only reason to complain is because things are not going their way, and for something to not go there way they have to be trying to win and failing -- ergo, competing. It may be on a player scale instead of a team scale, but there is competition happening. And as far as PC goes, only psuedo-rivalries exist due to demotivational mechanics inherent in the system. Dust as a game may be bad, but that doesn't mean people aren't attempting to compete in it. Quality =/= competition. Now if you're not actually playing the game, then all that means is you're not competing. That doesn't mean anything about the rest of the playerbase.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3816	Posted - 2014.08.16 10:42:00 - [36] - Quote DUST isnt competitve
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4681	Posted - 2014.08.16 10:47:00 - [37] - Quote Strong argument you made there. Do I need to draw another silly picture of you getting hit by a fireball?
Sergeant Sazu New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.08.16 11:04:00 - [38] - Quote Made a single post over in the Planetside 2 forums. Proceeded to get attacked by an elitist prick who was bent on becoming "superior" and continuously argued with presumptuous, faulty logic. ...Yup, same as here. I don't redline snipe, jihad LAV, cloak shotgun, spawncamp, use aim assist, or FoTM chase. Honor is my playstyle.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 2269	Posted - 2014.08.16 11:14:00 - [39] - Quote most other competitive communities do not require as much effort and time to advance in the game.. Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11739	Posted - 2014.08.16 11:19:00 - [40] - Quote Did you try going to the Battlefield forums? By comparison the DUST Forum is a fluffy land of sunshine and rainbows. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 111	Posted - 2014.08.16 12:38:00 - [41] - Quote There is (or was dunno If they are still around) a group in EVE whose name has relevance i believe.... Their name? 'Shut up and play' Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
TechMechMeds Level 5 Forum Warrior 5139	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:00:00 - [42] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: The fact that people complain about balance in the game proves that people are competing on some level. The only reason to complain is because things are not going their way, and for something to not go there way they have to be trying to win and failing -- ergo, competing. It may be on a player scale instead of a team scale, but there is competition happening. And as far as PC goes, only psuedo-rivalries exist due to demotivational mechanics inherent in the system. Dust as a game may be bad, but that doesn't mean people aren't attempting to compete in it. Quality =/= competition. Now if you're not actually playing the game, then all that means is you're not competing. That doesn't mean anything about the rest of the playerbase. Ah people compete in every game that has PvP but that doesn't make it competitive. Competitive play requires set parameters where the best simply excel because they are better. In dust, sp, latency, HP, weapon function and isk are all variables that make competitive play impossible in dust. I love dust, don't get me wrong but it has never been competitive and I like it that way. A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4682	Posted - 2014.08.16 13:58:00 - [43] - Quote All competition requires is two players who both seek to win and happen to be at odds with one another. Fairness is not a requirement, quality is not a requirement. Therefore Dust is competitive.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 17055	Posted - 2014.08.16 14:01:00 - [44] - Quote I don't think whining is something that happens just on the DUST forums. I went on the planetside 2 forums the other day. Whining everywhere - this is OP, that's OP, why did you nerf that, etc. Today I encountered a game called 'Robocraft'. I go on the forums, and 'why did you nerf railguns', etc etc. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. 'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 471	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:48:00 - [45] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't think whining is something that happens just on the DUST forums. I went on the planetside 2 forums the other day. Whining everywhere - this is OP, that's OP, why did you nerf that, etc. Today I encountered a game called 'Robocraft'. I go on the forums, and 'why did you nerf railguns', etc etc. Let's not forget War Thunder. Or DC Universe. Or Aion: The Tower of Eternity. Or World of Warcraft. No seriously that last one, their newest trailer for the newest expansion on Youtube. They were even arguing on there. And let's not forget the EVE Online forums. Granted it's some of the best baiting/counter-baiting trolling/counter-trolling and spreadsheet warrior-ing I've ever seen. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
Kaze Eyrou Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 471	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:51:00 - [46] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: All competition requires is two players who both seek to win and happen to be at odds with one another. Fairness is not a requirement, quality is not a requirement. Therefore Dust is competitive. The ones who don't are using the term "competitive" as a loosely relative term based on "does-the-enemy-team-fight-on-par-with-me" and not by actual definition. Ignore them. Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 686	Posted - 2014.08.16 15:56:00 - [47] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I don't think whining is something that happens just on the DUST forums. I went on the planetside 2 forums the other day. Whining everywhere - this is OP, that's OP, why did you nerf that, etc. Today I encountered a game called 'Robocraft'. I go on the forums, and 'why did you nerf railguns', etc etc. Let's not forget War Thunder. Or DC Universe. Or Aion: The Tower of Eternity. Or World of Warcraft. No seriously that last one, their newest trailer for the newest expansion on Youtube. They were even arguing on there. And let's not forget the EVE Online forums. Granted it's some of the best baiting/counter-baiting trolling/counter-trolling and spreadsheet warrior-ing I've ever seen. oh god, WoW forums. You think this place is bad? Go to the individuals forums the servers have, LOL.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition 3210	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:11:00 - [48] - Quote Its the lack of respecs. You spend 6 weeks getting that proto dropsuit only to watch it nerfed into the ground 4 weeks later. You can't reallocate that SP into a new, more viable, suit so what are your other options? 1. Quit (oh look how small this community actually is!) 2. Whine and complain on the forums and hope the devs will fix your suit. What you see then is a fairly even distribution of both of these, with a dying community full of crying and whining children. B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Ryme Intrinseca Eurotrash Pubstars 1528	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:14:00 - [49] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic. What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Because it works, i.e.: QQ about any other game=get laughed at QQ about Dust=CCP buff/nerf whatever was being QQed about
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 1169	Posted - 2014.08.16 16:18:00 - [50] - Quote I think it's fairly mature for an online community, which makes the bitchy little kids that much more visible and annoying. I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.

King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1598	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:04:00 - [51] - Quote Orion Sanjeet wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here? A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.08.16 17:15:00 - [52] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Orion Sanjeet wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here? Because as frustrating as the game can be I very much enjoy it and still play it. Nothing I say is meant to offend... unless you're stupid. - Mr. Welch
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4684	Posted - 2014.08.17 02:51:00 - [53] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Orion Sanjeet wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here? I too have the capability of posting in the hello kitty island adventure forums, yet common sense would dictate I do not as I have no intention of actually playing the game.
militia combat rifle Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.08.17 03:17:00 - [54] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance Not for y'all at least
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 454	Posted - 2014.08.17 03:21:00 - [55] - Quote Thing about, at least in any other lobby fps I've ever played, Dust is that your choices in its SP system are invalidated periodically by patches and hotfixes, if we are talking at a competitive level. Something that takes months to accomplish gets switched around and CCP says go **** yourself when people ask to have the points returned. And it can't easily be ignored because again in other fps games there isn't an arbitrary skill system that locks you out of gear for months to years. When something is imbalanced in other shooters you can just use the damn thing that is OP to stay competitive. In this, you have to either be a Beta vet that skilled into everything, or you have to give up on being competitve/go play a better game. LoL is a different genre and game, and even LoL a week or two of playing will net you a champion or more if you feel one champion is better than another. Most lobby shooters just don't even bother to implement a massive mmorpg like grind system into their mechanics. There is a lot of QQ because there is a lot of time wasting bullshit that goes on in this game while the devs write songs about "HTFU!" in a video game designed for entertainment. Not everyone is into S&M and just want to have fun. From a competitive perspective this game is anti-competitve as it sets newcomers far behind vets. Take Starcraft 2 for instance, there are pro starcraft 2 players that never played starcraft one and there are pros that have played both. If Starcraft operated as Dust does, the Starcraft 2 newcomers could never compete at a competitive level as they lag so far behind the original Starcraft players in terms of (Time played) or in Dust's case (Time played + character creation age.)
King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1611	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:07:00 - [56] - Quote Orion Sanjeet wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Orion Sanjeet wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here? Because as frustrating as the game can be I very much enjoy it and still play it. King Kobrah monthly kills: 11 The forums were always much more fun than the actual game. A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 412	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:09:00 - [57] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Orion Sanjeet wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Orion Sanjeet wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are ****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here? Because as frustrating as the game can be I very much enjoy it and still play it. King Kobrah monthly kills: 11 The forums were always much more fun than the actual game. No, it just means you have nothing else in life to entertain you dude. I know girls are fun, you might want to try those bro. Saying what's on people's minds*
King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1612	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:11:00 - [58] - Quote I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 412	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:13:00 - [59] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children No you haven't dude. Wanking it doesn't count. What about friends? Do you have any? I can lend you some dude. It's just pathetic bro. You hate the game and you act like your posting is some grand scheme in some intelligent plan to ruin Dust forum. Seriously bro? That's the matter of your existence? Get your **** wet dude. Go out into the sunlight and bask in it bro. Touch a boob for christ sakes. Saying what's on people's minds
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2445	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:23:00 - [60] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children So YOU'RE who snuck in my bed last night!! I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.

Spectre-M The Generals Anime Empire. 722	Posted - 2014.08.17 23:40:00 - [61] - Quote And then there are those that whine about whining. Nerf QQ!!! Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1614	Posted - 2014.08.18 00:10:00 - [62] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: King Kobrah wrote: I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children No you haven't dude. Wanking it doesn't count. What about friends? Do you have any? I can lend you some dude. It's just pathetic bro. You hate the game and you act like your posting is some grand scheme in some intelligent plan to ruin Dust forum. Seriously bro? That's the matter of your existence? Get your **** wet dude. Go out into the sunlight and bask in it bro. Touch a boob for christ sakes. So let me get this straight You're willing to type three paragraphs about how you think I don't get laid and how pathetic I am despite you having no idea who I am or what I do? Some people are quick to project their flaws onto others I guess. Stop typing kiddo. A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2014.08.18 00:16:00 - [63] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: King Kobrah wrote: I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children No you haven't dude. Wanking it doesn't count. What about friends? Do you have any? I can lend you some dude. It's just pathetic bro. You hate the game and you act like your posting is some grand scheme in some intelligent plan to ruin Dust forum. Seriously bro? That's the matter of your existence? Get your **** wet dude. Go out into the sunlight and bask in it bro. Touch a boob for christ sakes. So let me get this straight You're willing to type three paragraphs about how you think I don't get laid and how pathetic I am despite you having no idea who I am or what I do? Some people are quick to project their flaws onto others I guess. Stop typing kiddo. What a lackluster response bro after ample time to make a good one. Yes I like making sure the coffin stays shut bro. And yes dude, all the lames, like you, talk the same. You've been here a long time talking about how you don't play the game and how we should wish you don't pick up the controller again. It's lame dude. You're a gimmick loner. Once again, go outside, do some physical activity for a change, and touch a boob. Saying what's on people's minds
King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1614	Posted - 2014.08.18 00:19:00 - [64] - Quote Krixus Flux wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: King Kobrah wrote: I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children No you haven't dude. Wanking it doesn't count. What about friends? Do you have any? I can lend you some dude. It's just pathetic bro. You hate the game and you act like your posting is some grand scheme in some intelligent plan to ruin Dust forum. Seriously bro? That's the matter of your existence? Get your **** wet dude. Go out into the sunlight and bask in it bro. Touch a boob for christ sakes. So let me get this straight You're willing to type three paragraphs about how you think I don't get laid and how pathetic I am despite you having no idea who I am or what I do? Some people are quick to project their flaws onto others I guess. Stop typing kiddo. What a lackluster response bro after ample time to make a good one. Yes I like making sure the coffin stays shut bro. And yes dude, all the lames, like you, talk the same. You've been here a long time talking about how you don't play the game and how we should wish you don't pick up the controller again. It's lame dude. You're a gimmick loner. Once again, go outside, do some physical activity for a change, and touch a boob. What I post in my spare time on an internet forum isn't indicative of my real life Your feeble shots in the dark don't warrant a legitimate response, please come back when you're a little better at forum PVP bro A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 413	Posted - 2014.08.18 00:29:00 - [65] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: King Kobrah wrote: Krixus Flux wrote: King Kobrah wrote: I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children No you haven't dude. Wanking it doesn't count. What about friends? Do you have any? I can lend you some dude. It's just pathetic bro. You hate the game and you act like your posting is some grand scheme in some intelligent plan to ruin Dust forum. Seriously bro? That's the matter of your existence? Get your ** wet dude. Go out into the sunlight and bask in it bro. Touch a boob for christ sakes. So let me get this straight You're willing to type three paragraphs about how you think I don't get laid and how pathetic I am despite you having no idea who I am or what I do? Some people are quick to project their flaws onto others I guess. Stop typing kiddo. What a lackluster response bro after ample time to make a good one. Yes I like making sure the coffin stays shut bro. And yes dude, all the lames, like you, talk the same. You've been here a long time talking about how you don't play the game and how we should wish you don't pick up the controller again. It's lame dude. You're a gimmick loner. Once again, go outside, do some physical activity for a change, and touch a boob. What I post in my spare time on an internet forum isn't indicative of my real life Your feeble shots in the dark don't warrant a legitimate response*, please come back when you're a little better at forum PVP bro* I know my "feeble" shots hit home bro. You and I both know that dude. So of course you can't come up with a legitimate response. Besides, your brain hasn't moved past 5th grade level knowledge. But boobs changes lives. It brings joys and happiness. The sun will shine and the dark clouds will part. Find a boob dude. Saying what's on people's minds
Orion Sanjeet Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 161	Posted - 2014.08.18 17:56:00 - [66] - Quote Wow, ok, first Cobra is most likely gettin' some. Second, it isn't his testosterone that allows him to come back, it's the dopamine that he gets from reading a response that keeps him coming back. Third, it's true he isn't coming back to Dust unless begged by the people he plays with, if he calls them his friends is questionable for reasons that could only be speculated upon. Forth, Krixus, I haven't seen such excessive use of "bro" since The Fast and Furious 2. Fifth, I know I shouldn't post but hey, I'm an addict too. Nothing I say is meant to offend... unless you're stupid. - Mr. Welch
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 3122	Posted - 2014.08.18 18:31:00 - [67] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults. I think most game balance whining in any community is "unprofessional", and it exists. If anything, I'd suggest we see MORE feedback because of how much CCP does listen and participate, even if we don't usually think they do a good enough job. It's hard to complain about a game to a company that does a one-and-done game release. MMO communities where there's regular patching and balancing does seem to breed an environment like this. Way back when I remember seeing much of the same on the WoW community (hangs head in shame, yes, I've played it, and check back on it occasionally), although Blizzard cracks down on conduct and bad behavior much harder that CCP's team does. A lot of the trolls and purely negative posters on the DUST forums would have been permabanned from Blizzard's forums a long time ago. That might speak to a need for more moderation here on the DUST forums, I think an ISD program would help a lot. (Another note, is that communities of paid MMOs like WoW, you have to be paying for the game to post, whereas a lot of people trolling the DUST forums haven't played the game in months.) When you get rid of the trolls, I actually think you'd find a lot of constructive feedback here. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 850	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:32:00 - [68] - Quote Free 2 Play + So many gamers have moved on to PS4 = whiners and try hards are all that is left
King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1616	Posted - 2014.08.18 21:53:00 - [69] - Quote You think whining about game balance is unprofessional? hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'll tell you what's unprofessional- untalented devs releasing non-quality tested patches that destroy in-game balance A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2613	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:03:00 - [70] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: You think whining about game balance is unprofessional? hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'll tell you what's unprofessional- untalented devs releasing non-quality tested patches that destroy in-game balance I'll tell you what's unprofessional- Irrelevent ex-players still active on the forums of a game they don't play Bring These Back Tanker Turned Ads Pilot

King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1616	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:06:00 - [71] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: King Kobrah wrote: You think whining about game balance is unprofessional? hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'll tell you what's unprofessional- untalented devs releasing non-quality tested patches that destroy in-game balance I'll tell you what's unprofessional- Irrelevent ex-players still active on the forums of a game they don't play What's even more unprofessional is when players who never have been nor ever will be relevant try to tell a hall of fame caliber player they're not relevant Honestly who the **** are you LOL A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2613	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:22:00 - [72] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Soulja Ghostface wrote: King Kobrah wrote: You think whining about game balance is unprofessional? hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I'll tell you what's unprofessional- untalented devs releasing non-quality tested patches that destroy in-game balance I'll tell you what's unprofessional- Irrelevent ex-players still active on the forums of a game they don't play What's even more unprofessional is when players who never have been nor ever will be relevant try to tell a hall of fame caliber player they're not relevant Honestly who the **** are you LOL Hall of fame your funny lol, You're average at best. And to be honest I have no idea who you are, Big world we live in What is the most unprofessional is when a vet player self proclaims false titles when that he is not good enough to have other people recognize and bestow them, Despite having played much longer. And you don't know how to bypass the filter yet lol. Heres some help: Dumbass, Dumb ass, Thumb ass, Bring These Back Tanker Turned Ads Pilot
King Kobrah Escrow Removal and Acquisition 1617	Posted - 2014.08.18 22:34:00 - [73] - Quote It's not hard to use alt codes to bypass filters, is this your first day on the internet? The fact you don't know who I am only furthers my original point- you never have been relevant, and are a no name noob (N3) who's opinion holds no weight Glad we could clear all that up A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer PSN: Kobra Youtube.com/kkobra
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS Top Men. 2613	Posted - 2014.08.18 23:02:00 - [74] - Quote This will be my last post regarding this as I don't usually talk with Banished mercs, Shadows of their former selves. Quote: It's not hard to use alt codes to bypass filters, is this your first day on the internet? To answer your question, No. Bro, Your idea of what relevant is...is wrong. Being relevant to somebody means you are a known factor that in any way affects them. In this case Dust 514. Now correct me if i'm wrong here but *you do not affect me in-game*. When are you going to get it through your thick skull that your time at the top is over. Our generation of souljas are taking over and running things. You and all the people that left with you are non-factors. When you say I am not relevant you are true, I don't play what you play I don't affect you I am not relevant. The same applies to you and everybody else and vice versa. You are irrelevant to the whole Dust 514 community, Some days you never cross our minds. Engaging on the forums while you can't/refuse to play is a hint of an addiction. I sincerely recommend using the appropriate methods whether it be meditation or seeing a doctor to cure it. Bring These Back Tanker Turned Ads Pilot


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