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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.16 08:24:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance
Thank you, ffs.
Dust has never and will never, ever be competitive.
The most competitive game mode in dust, believe it or not, is the academy but there's still imbalances in suits and they are newbs.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.16 08:27:00 -
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Anyway yeah, dust is the worst by far.
Iv never seen such blatant 1 track mind thinking anywhere.
Iv never seen so many people base their own views on balance based on the fact that they are sht like this anywhere else.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
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Posted - 2014.08.16 08:36:00 -
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playing dust is like watching old yeller get shot
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.16 08:39:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic.
What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance? Plenty of games are not very balanced, but only in the Dust community do you see such a large amount of teenage angst surface in what are theoretically full grown adults.
That would be because most other games don't make changes to the environment without testing them first, because the result is often an inflammatory result as can be seen here. Most other games have a person who is dedicated to a singular role or more if they can change characters to do so, which allows them to take a realistic view of the environment the game is in. DUST, however, does not have such a thing. This is why they make the CPM because they do not have as much commitment to the game as other developers do.
Smaller development teams (Red5) and Larger development teams (Blizzard) both take the time to actually run their ideas through a private server to evaluate with these said specialized individuals. But CCP does not. Why? They have never given a reason.
Things like armor balance vs weapon damage is something that CCP has never understood. EVER. They amplified bullet damage a while back, then wondered why people were not enjoying the game because they were dying too quickly. They thought this would be a great way to get Aurum sales up, but it failed horribly. Nobody wanted to buy such things that would collapse faster than they could recognize their use.
Since that time, they have been INCREASING the health and shields of EVERY SUIT across the board. Makes you wonder why they don't just drop weapon damage instead to get to the same result faster. Or it does, until you realize they don't like looking "inconclusive" so if they give a patch, they don't like completely reversing it the next iteration, they try to sidestep around for 4 patches or so until they're back at the point they originally left from.
Basically, they make bad decisions, but don't want to admit it publicly, so they try to side step around with "new decisions" to try to make it look like they "have a definite path" when really they just walked back and forth over the same spot 4 times...
http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU
Dust to Dust
Remember the dream you had before the day you were born.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:23:00 -
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The fact that people complain about balance in the game proves that people are competing on some level. The only reason to complain is because things are not going their way, and for something to not go there way they have to be trying to win and failing -- ergo, competing.
It may be on a player scale instead of a team scale, but there is competition happening.
And as far as PC goes, only psuedo-rivalries exist due to demotivational mechanics inherent in the system.
Dust as a game may be bad, but that doesn't mean people aren't attempting to compete in it. Quality =/= competition. Now if you're not actually playing the game, then all that means is you're not competing. That doesn't mean anything about the rest of the playerbase. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:42:00 -
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DUST isnt competitve |
Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4681
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:47:00 -
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Strong argument you made there.
Do I need to draw another silly picture of you getting hit by a fireball? |
Sergeant Sazu
New Age Empire.
General Tso's Alliance
98
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:04:00 -
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Made a single post over in the Planetside 2 forums.
Proceeded to get attacked by an elitist prick who was bent on becoming "superior" and continuously argued with presumptuous, faulty logic.
...Yup, same as here.
I don't redline snipe, jihad LAV, cloak shotgun, spawncamp, use aim assist, or FoTM chase.
Honor is my playstyle.
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:14:00 -
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most other competitive communities do not require as much effort and time to advance in the game..
Give me my scrambler pistol back....**
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:19:00 -
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Did you try going to the Battlefield forums?
By comparison the DUST Forum is a fluffy land of sunshine and rainbows.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Lady MDK
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
111
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Posted - 2014.08.16 12:38:00 -
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There is (or was dunno If they are still around) a group in EVE whose name has relevance i believe....
Their name?
'Shut up and play' 
Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following.
I don't care so neither should you :)
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TechMechMeds
Level 5 Forum Warrior
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Posted - 2014.08.16 13:00:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The fact that people complain about balance in the game proves that people are competing on some level. The only reason to complain is because things are not going their way, and for something to not go there way they have to be trying to win and failing -- ergo, competing.
It may be on a player scale instead of a team scale, but there is competition happening.
And as far as PC goes, only psuedo-rivalries exist due to demotivational mechanics inherent in the system.
Dust as a game may be bad, but that doesn't mean people aren't attempting to compete in it. Quality =/= competition. Now if you're not actually playing the game, then all that means is you're not competing. That doesn't mean anything about the rest of the playerbase.
Ah people compete in every game that has PvP but that doesn't make it competitive.
Competitive play requires set parameters where the best simply excel because they are better.
In dust, sp, latency, HP, weapon function and isk are all variables that make competitive play impossible in dust.
I love dust, don't get me wrong but it has never been competitive and I like it that way.
A rolling nade is worth two in ambush.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.16 13:58:00 -
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All competition requires is two players who both seek to win and happen to be at odds with one another.
Fairness is not a requirement, quality is not a requirement. Therefore Dust is competitive. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.16 14:01:00 -
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I don't think whining is something that happens just on the DUST forums.
I went on the planetside 2 forums the other day. Whining everywhere - this is OP, that's OP, why did you nerf that, etc.
Today I encountered a game called 'Robocraft'. I go on the forums, and 'why did you nerf railguns', etc etc.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
'Lucent Echelon' - Gallente FW channel
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
471
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Posted - 2014.08.16 15:48:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I don't think whining is something that happens just on the DUST forums.
I went on the planetside 2 forums the other day. Whining everywhere - this is OP, that's OP, why did you nerf that, etc.
Today I encountered a game called 'Robocraft'. I go on the forums, and 'why did you nerf railguns', etc etc.
Let's not forget War Thunder.
Or DC Universe.
Or Aion: The Tower of Eternity.
Or World of Warcraft.
No seriously that last one, their newest trailer for the newest expansion on Youtube. They were even arguing on there.
And let's not forget the EVE Online forums. Granted it's some of the best baiting/counter-baiting trolling/counter-trolling and spreadsheet warrior-ing I've ever seen.
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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Kaze Eyrou
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
471
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Posted - 2014.08.16 15:51:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:All competition requires is two players who both seek to win and happen to be at odds with one another.
Fairness is not a requirement, quality is not a requirement. Therefore Dust is competitive.
The ones who don't are using the term "competitive" as a loosely relative term based on "does-the-enemy-team-fight-on-par-with-me" and not by actual definition. Ignore them.
Closed Beta Vet // Logi Bro // @KazeEyrou
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
686
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Posted - 2014.08.16 15:56:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I don't think whining is something that happens just on the DUST forums.
I went on the planetside 2 forums the other day. Whining everywhere - this is OP, that's OP, why did you nerf that, etc.
Today I encountered a game called 'Robocraft'. I go on the forums, and 'why did you nerf railguns', etc etc. Let's not forget War Thunder. Or DC Universe. Or Aion: The Tower of Eternity. Or World of Warcraft. No seriously that last one, their newest trailer for the newest expansion on Youtube. They were even arguing on there. And let's not forget the EVE Online forums. Granted it's some of the best baiting/counter-baiting trolling/counter-trolling and spreadsheet warrior-ing I've ever seen.
oh god, WoW forums.
You think this place is bad? Go to the individuals forums the servers have, LOL.
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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
3210
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Posted - 2014.08.16 16:11:00 -
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Its the lack of respecs.
You spend 6 weeks getting that proto dropsuit only to watch it nerfed into the ground 4 weeks later. You can't reallocate that SP into a new, more viable, suit so what are your other options?
1. Quit (oh look how small this community actually is!)
2. Whine and complain on the forums and hope the devs will fix your suit.
What you see then is a fairly even distribution of both of these, with a dying community full of crying and whining children.
B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
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Ryme Intrinseca
Eurotrash Pubstars
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Posted - 2014.08.16 16:14:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Not trolling either, I think this is a very interesting topic.
What do you feel brings the amount of unprofessional whining not typically seen in other communities in regards to balance?
Because it works, i.e.:
QQ about any other game=get laughed at
QQ about Dust=CCP buff/nerf whatever was being QQed about |
RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
1169
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Posted - 2014.08.16 16:18:00 -
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I think it's fairly mature for an online community, which makes the bitchy little kids that much more visible and annoying.
I don't always blap Infantry with a Forge Gun, but when I do, that ** is hilarious.
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King Kobrah
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
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Posted - 2014.08.16 17:04:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here?
Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here?
A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer
PSN: Kobra
Youtube.com/kkobra
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Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
161
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Posted - 2014.08.16 17:15:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here?
Because as frustrating as the game can be I very much enjoy it and still play it.
Nothing I say is meant to offend... unless you're stupid. - Mr. Welch
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
4684
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:51:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here?
I too have the capability of posting in the hello kitty island adventure forums, yet common sense would dictate I do not as I have no intention of actually playing the game. |
militia combat rifle
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:17:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance
Not for y'all at least  |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
454
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:21:00 -
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Thing about, at least in any other lobby fps I've ever played, Dust is that your choices in its SP system are invalidated periodically by patches and hotfixes, if we are talking at a competitive level. Something that takes months to accomplish gets switched around and CCP says go **** yourself when people ask to have the points returned. And it can't easily be ignored because again in other fps games there isn't an arbitrary skill system that locks you out of gear for months to years. When something is imbalanced in other shooters you can just use the damn thing that is OP to stay competitive. In this, you have to either be a Beta vet that skilled into everything, or you have to give up on being competitve/go play a better game.
LoL is a different genre and game, and even LoL a week or two of playing will net you a champion or more if you feel one champion is better than another. Most lobby shooters just don't even bother to implement a massive mmorpg like grind system into their mechanics.
There is a lot of QQ because there is a lot of time wasting bullshit that goes on in this game while the devs write songs about "HTFU!" in a video game designed for entertainment. Not everyone is into S&M and just want to have fun.
From a competitive perspective this game is anti-competitve as it sets newcomers far behind vets. Take Starcraft 2 for instance, there are pro starcraft 2 players that never played starcraft one and there are pros that have played both. If Starcraft operated as Dust does, the Starcraft 2 newcomers could never compete at a competitive level as they lag so far behind the original Starcraft players in terms of (Time played) or in Dust's case (Time played + character creation age.) |
King Kobrah
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:07:00 -
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Orion Sanjeet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here? Because as frustrating as the game can be I very much enjoy it and still play it. King Kobrah monthly kills: 11
The forums were always much more fun than the actual game.
A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer
PSN: Kobra
Youtube.com/kkobra
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
412
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:09:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Orion Sanjeet wrote:King Kobrah wrote:Dust is not competitive, too many broken game mechanics and imbalance And yet here you are *****ing. Actually, why are you still here? Because CCP was foolish enough to unban me. Why are you still here? Because as frustrating as the game can be I very much enjoy it and still play it. King Kobrah monthly kills: 11 The forums were always much more fun than the actual game.
No, it just means you have nothing else in life to entertain you dude. I know girls are fun, you might want to try those bro.
Saying what's on people's minds
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King Kobrah
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:11:00 -
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I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children
A shade darker than black, the wound that never heals..The Babyslayer
PSN: Kobra
Youtube.com/kkobra
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Krixus Flux
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
412
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:13:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children
No you haven't dude. Wanking it doesn't count. What about friends? Do you have any? I can lend you some dude.
It's just pathetic bro. You hate the game and you act like your posting is some grand scheme in some intelligent plan to ruin Dust forum. Seriously bro? That's the matter of your existence?
Get your **** wet dude. Go out into the sunlight and bask in it bro. Touch a boob for christ sakes.
Saying what's on people's minds
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Derrith Erador
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:23:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:I've been laid in the past 48 hours, it's what keeps my testosterone high enough to keep trolling you children
So YOU'RE who snuck in my bed last night!!
I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
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