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        |  xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx
 Fatal Absolution
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 213
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 14:23:00 -
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 Took you guys long enough. About damn time.
  
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        |  Sgt Buttscratch
 R 0 N 1 N
 
 2250
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 14:29:00 -
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 Cal is much better, Amarr still great, matar has always been good with knowledge on how to run.
 
 Now gallente... not so much, very little issue from these guys so far, slow and easy to spot, did have fun on mine last night
 running over 9m/s with PLC and smg, but my scout is still nicer. The bonus aint that great, CR/RR/SCR still superior.
 
 Sidenote, WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING SCR ON MINMATAR ASSUALT???
 
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        |  Cody Sietz
 Evzones
 
 3839
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 14:31:00 -
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 Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Cal is much better, Amarr still great, matar has always been good with knowledge on how to run.
 Now gallente... not so much, very little issue from these guys so far, slow and easy to spot, did have fun on mine last night
 running over 9m/s with PLC and smg, but my scout is still nicer. The bonus aint that great, CR/RR/SCR still superior.
 
 Sidenote, WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING SCR ON MINMATAR ASSUALT???
 They are running it on everything.
 
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        |  Repe Susi
 Rautaleijona
 
 1365
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 14:38:00 -
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 Cody Sietz wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Cal is much better, Amarr still great, matar has always been good with knowledge on how to run.
 Now gallente... not so much, very little issue from these guys so far, slow and easy to spot, did have fun on mine last night
 running over 9m/s with PLC and smg, but my scout is still nicer. The bonus aint that great, CR/RR/SCR still superior.
 
 Sidenote, WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING SCR ON MINMATAR ASSUALT???
 They are running it on everything. 
 It's not stupid. You just have to watch overheating VERY carefully. I ran ScR on my galscout because of the range.
 
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        |  Nocturnal Soul
 Immortal Retribution
 
 3983
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 14:39:00 -
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 People like phallic weapons I guess :D
 
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        |  Joel II X
 Dah Gods O Bacon
 
 3005
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 16:35:00 -
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 I like to spam powerful light beams of death sometimes. That's why I have ScR.
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        |  Apothecary Za'ki
 Biomass Positive
 
 487
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 16:43:00 -
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 xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote:Took you guys long enough. About damn time.   they are a little too good now.. hope they can give the same treatment to commando and logi in delta
 
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        |  Killer's Coys
 Prima Gallicus
 
 122
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 16:55:00 -
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 I don't know which problem do do you find with Gal assault...
 It can tank more tan 570HP armor, with +/-30.3HP/s armor regen, 3 damager, 2 PRO weapons and pro nanohive... Which problem ? Any for me...
 You can have a lot of regen or armor, the Galassault has a lot of PG/CPU
 Just take a look :
 Calda : 402CPU 61PG
 Gal : 380CPU 70PG
 Result ?
 Gal has less 22CPU for 9 PG
 You can fit everything you want.
 The bonus is good, I've tested it, and it's amazing, don't need to change it.
 AssaultS are good, now just change the Caldassault bonus (charge time reduction +/or kick) and Assault bonus
 
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        |  Cat Merc
 Onslaught Inc
 RISE of LEGION
 
 11691
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 17:17:00 -
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 Killer's Coys wrote:I don't know which problem do do you find with Gal assault...It can tank more tan 570HP armor, with +/-30.3HP/s armor regen, 3 damager, 2 PRO weapons and pro nanohive... Which problem ? Any for me...
 You can have a lot of regen or armor, the Galassault has a lot of PG/CPU
 Just take a look :
 Calda : 402CPU 61PG
 Gal : 380CPU 70PG
 Result ?
 Gal has less 22CPU for 9 PG
 You can fit everything you want.
 The bonus is good, I've tested it, and it's amazing, don't need to change it.
 AssaultS are good, now just change the Caldassault bonus (charge time reduction +/or kick) and Assault bonus
 Just from that comment about the bonus I can tell you never did any tests.
 
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        |  Heimdallr69
 Nyain San
 
 3175
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 17:18:00 -
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 Apothecary Za'ki wrote:xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote:Took you guys long enough. About damn time.   they are a little too good now.. hope they can give the same treatment to commando and logi in delta Just the Amarr. I don't think I've seen any assaults other than Amarr, oh 1 mlt min assault. I run cal assault and I must admit the buff was nice but we can still easily get wrecked.
 
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        |  Mobius Kaethis
 Molon Labe.
 General Tso's Alliance
 
 1729
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 17:22:00 -
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 While assaults are better I'd hardly call them good. Scouts are still the kings of the battlefield.
 
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        |  Killer's Coys
 Prima Gallicus
 
 123
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 17:38:00 -
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 Cat Merc wrote:Killer's Coys wrote:I don't know which problem do do you find with Gal assault...It can tank more tan 570HP armor, with +/-30.3HP/s armor regen, 3 damager, 2 PRO weapons and pro nanohive... Which problem ? Any for me...
 You can have a lot of regen or armor, the Galassault has a lot of PG/CPU
 Just take a look :
 Calda : 402CPU 61PG
 Gal : 380CPU 70PG
 Result ?
 Gal has less 22CPU for 9 PG
 You can fit everything you want.
 The bonus is good, I've tested it, and it's amazing, don't need to change it.
 AssaultS are good, now just change the Caldassault bonus (charge time reduction +/or kick) and Assault bonus
 Just from that comment about the bonus I can tell you never did any tests. 
 I can tell you : I've tested this bonus.
 Assault G/1 Series (but lvl5) with GEK-38 Assault Rifle full skill, we speak about the same thing ?
 Ok... To be serious, this bonus is good. the hipfire is a bit so much big, but the kick is amazing
 
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        |  Cat Merc
 Onslaught Inc
 RISE of LEGION
 
 11694
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 19:19:00 -
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 Killer's Coys wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Killer's Coys wrote:I don't know which problem do do you find with Gal assault...It can tank more tan 570HP armor, with +/-30.3HP/s armor regen, 3 damager, 2 PRO weapons and pro nanohive... Which problem ? Any for me...
 You can have a lot of regen or armor, the Galassault has a lot of PG/CPU
 Just take a look :
 Calda : 402CPU 61PG
 Gal : 380CPU 70PG
 Result ?
 Gal has less 22CPU for 9 PG
 You can fit everything you want.
 The bonus is good, I've tested it, and it's amazing, don't need to change it.
 AssaultS are good, now just change the Caldassault bonus (charge time reduction +/or kick) and Assault bonus
 Just from that comment about the bonus I can tell you never did any tests. I can tell you : I've tested this bonus. Assault G/1 Series (but lvl5) with GEK-38 Assault Rifle full skill, we speak about the same thing ? Ok... To be serious, this bonus is good. the hipfire is a bit so much big, but the kick is amazing You do understand that you can get rid of kick by just tapping the R1 button midfire?
 
 You lose all the kick without losing any DPS, I already do it automatically at this point.
 
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        |  Killer's Coys
 Prima Gallicus
 
 123
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 19:58:00 -
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 Cat Merc wrote:Killer's Coys wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Killer's Coys wrote:I don't know which problem do do you find with Gal assault...It can tank more tan 570HP armor, with +/-30.3HP/s armor regen, 3 damager, 2 PRO weapons and pro nanohive... Which problem ? Any for me...
 You can have a lot of regen or armor, the Galassault has a lot of PG/CPU
 Just take a look :
 Calda : 402CPU 61PG
 Gal : 380CPU 70PG
 Result ?
 Gal has less 22CPU for 9 PG
 You can fit everything you want.
 The bonus is good, I've tested it, and it's amazing, don't need to change it.
 AssaultS are good, now just change the Caldassault bonus (charge time reduction +/or kick) and Assault bonus
 Just from that comment about the bonus I can tell you never did any tests. I can tell you : I've tested this bonus. Assault G/1 Series (but lvl5) with GEK-38 Assault Rifle full skill, we speak about the same thing ? Ok... To be serious, this bonus is good. the hipfire is a bit so much big, but the kick is amazing You do understand that you can get rid of kick by just tapping the R1 button midfire? You lose all the kick without losing any DPS, I already do it automatically at this point. 
 I know, but it's better if you don't have to stop
  Finally, which bonus can be interesting for AR ?
 AND, my opinion : RoF increasing would be OP
 RoF => increase DPS
 BUT
 Amarr bonus => don't increase DPS
 Minma bonus => don't increase DPS
 Need an other bonus
 
 
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        |  Cat Merc
 Onslaught Inc
 RISE of LEGION
 
 11694
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 20:11:00 -
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 Killer's Coys wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Killer's Coys wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Killer's Coys wrote:I don't know which problem do do you find with Gal assault...It can tank more tan 570HP armor, with +/-30.3HP/s armor regen, 3 damager, 2 PRO weapons and pro nanohive... Which problem ? Any for me...
 You can have a lot of regen or armor, the Galassault has a lot of PG/CPU
 Just take a look :
 Calda : 402CPU 61PG
 Gal : 380CPU 70PG
 Result ?
 Gal has less 22CPU for 9 PG
 You can fit everything you want.
 The bonus is good, I've tested it, and it's amazing, don't need to change it.
 AssaultS are good, now just change the Caldassault bonus (charge time reduction +/or kick) and Assault bonus
 Just from that comment about the bonus I can tell you never did any tests. I can tell you : I've tested this bonus. Assault G/1 Series (but lvl5) with GEK-38 Assault Rifle full skill, we speak about the same thing ? Ok... To be serious, this bonus is good. the hipfire is a bit so much big, but the kick is amazing You do understand that you can get rid of kick by just tapping the R1 button midfire? You lose all the kick without losing any DPS, I already do it automatically at this point. I know, but it's better if you don't have to stop   Finally, which bonus can be interesting for AR ?  AND, my opinion : RoF increasing would be OP RoF => increase DPS BUT Amarr bonus => don't increase DPS Minma bonus => don't increase DPS Need an other bonus How is 10% more DPS OP but 600 more damage per clip/before overheat isn't?
 
 The amarr and min bonuses are extremely powerful, so should the cal and gal bonuses be.
 
 Consider that the AR has the second slowest reload speed of the rifles.
 That means that the Min and Amarr bonuses allow them to sustain more fire, while the Gal ROF would allow it to unload its damage quickly and then reload while switching targets.
 
 This fits perfectly with their behavior.
 
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        |  Tectonic Fusion
 
 1986
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 20:28:00 -
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 Repe Susi wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Cal is much better, Amarr still great, matar has always been good with knowledge on how to run.
 Now gallente... not so much, very little issue from these guys so far, slow and easy to spot, did have fun on mine last night
 running over 9m/s with PLC and smg, but my scout is still nicer. The bonus aint that great, CR/RR/SCR still superior.
 
 Sidenote, WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING SCR ON MINMATAR ASSUALT???
 They are running it on everything. It's not stupid. You just have to watch overheating VERY carefully and you don't get 100% from its use but it is efficient.. I ran ScR on my galscout because of the range. Love the range. Ra ge. RAAANNGGEEEEE! btw I hate RR. lol I've gotten to the kevel where I don't have to watch the bar. I just know the approximate time that it will overheat. I stop firing for a few seconds whist disengaging, then start fighting again.
 
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        |  Killer's Coys
 Prima Gallicus
 
 124
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.14 20:58:00 -
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 Cat Merc wrote:How is 10% more DPS OP but 600 more damage per clip/before overheat isn't?
 
 The amarr and min bonuses are extremely powerful, so should the cal and gal bonuses be.
 
 Consider that the AR has the second slowest reload speed of the rifles.
 That means that the Min and Amarr bonuses allow them to sustain more fire, while the Gal ROF would allow it to unload its damage quickly and then reload while switching targets.
 
 This fits perfectly with their behavior.
 
 I speak about DPS.
 For me, assault bonus (to weapon) is just made to help the assault with his racial weapon.
 How I see it :
 Imagine a 1 vs 1
 Minmassault with the BK-42 vs other suit (except commando) with the BK-42
 If they begin to shoot at the same time, the other man can kill the Minmassault. The Minmassault's bonus help when the 1 vs 1 is longer.
 That's the same thing for the Amarr.
 
 But with your proposal bonus...
 A Galassault with GEK-38 vs other man with GEK-38
 If they shoot at the same time, the Galassault is sure to kill his ennemy, because => 880RPM
 
 Ok, like that, it can be ok... but..
 (for example)
 Minmassault with BK-42 vs Galassault with GEK-38
 Galassault : WINNER
 Because the DPS is the bigest.
 The Gallente with his AR would become the best Assault
 
 
 For Amarr : the bonus isn't OP, the weapon -scrambler- is OP at the beginning
 
 
 Cat Merc wrote:Consider that the AR has the second slowest reload speed of the rifles.
 *I say nothing*
 So... +5% fast reload hybrid/blaster weapon per level ?
  
 PS: If I seem a bit annoying, I'm sorry, I just want to discuss with intelligent people about balancing the game.
 
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        |  Repe Susi
 Rautaleijona
 
 1367
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.15 04:56:00 -
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 Tectonic Fusion wrote:Repe Susi wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Cal is much better, Amarr still great, matar has always been good with knowledge on how to run.
 Now gallente... not so much, very little issue from these guys so far, slow and easy to spot, did have fun on mine last night
 running over 9m/s with PLC and smg, but my scout is still nicer. The bonus aint that great, CR/RR/SCR still superior.
 
 Sidenote, WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING SCR ON MINMATAR ASSUALT???
 They are running it on everything. It's not stupid. You just have to watch overheating VERY carefully and you don't get 100% from its use but it is efficient.. I ran ScR on my galscout because of the range. Love the range. Ra ge. RAAANNGGEEEEE! btw I hate RR. lol I've gotten to the kevel where I don't have to watch the bar. I just know the approximate time that it will overheat. I stop firing for a few seconds whist disengaging, then start fighting again. 
 Good for you?
 
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        |  Tectonic Fusion
 
 1990
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.15 06:09:00 -
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 Repe Susi wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Repe Susi wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Cal is much better, Amarr still great, matar has always been good with knowledge on how to run.
 Now gallente... not so much, very little issue from these guys so far, slow and easy to spot, did have fun on mine last night
 running over 9m/s with PLC and smg, but my scout is still nicer. The bonus aint that great, CR/RR/SCR still superior.
 
 Sidenote, WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING SCR ON MINMATAR ASSUALT???
 They are running it on everything. It's not stupid. You just have to watch overheating VERY carefully and you don't get 100% from its use but it is efficient.. I ran ScR on my galscout because of the range. Love the range. Ra ge. RAAANNGGEEEEE! btw I hate RR. lol I've gotten to the kevel where I don't have to watch the bar. I just know the approximate time that it will overheat. I stop firing for a few seconds whist disengaging, then start fighting again. Ok that's nice to hear? So is all this whining, but it's the forums...what are ya gonna do
  
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        |  Strifer Strife
 Edimmu Warfighters
 Gallente Federation
 
 0
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.15 06:25:00 -
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 Killer's Coys wrote:I don't know which problem do do you find with Gal assault...It can tank more tan 570HP armor, with +/-30.3HP/s armor regen, 3 damager, 2 PRO weapons and pro nanohive... Which problem ? Any for me...
 You can have a lot of regen or armor, the Galassault has a lot of PG/CPU
 Just take a look :
 Calda : 402CPU 61PG
 Gal : 380CPU 70PG
 Result ?
 Gal has less 22CPU for 9 PG
 You can fit everything you want.
 The bonus is good, I've tested it, and it's amazing, don't need to change it.
 AssaultS are good, now just change the Caldassault bonus (charge time reduction +/or kick) and Assault bonus
 
 WTF are you on??? you can't fit all that on a proto gall assault..... and the bonus is garbage. I would rather have my recharge bonus than the hip fire dispersion(which was still garbage but hey least it helped me). People like you ruin this game always whinning and complaining about gear they hardly use.
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        |  Broonfondle Majikthies
 Dogs of War Gaming
 
 1290
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.15 08:41:00 -
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 Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Sidenote, WHY ARE PEOPLE RUNNING SCR ON MINMATAR ASSUALT??? I use a militia* ScR on my Min assault from time to time. Depends on my enemy.
 Not going to go against a shield tanked enemy with a CR, that's just stupid - Adopt, Adapt, Improve.
 
 
 *If I don't like a weapon aesthetically I don't skill into it. I don't care about performance.
 
 Edit:
 to OP - Assaults were always good. Just not flashy and new (and comparable to logi's i suppose). I guess people don't get subtle ;)
 
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        |  Myron Kundera
 The Generals
 Anime Empire.
 
 77
 
 
      | Posted - 2014.08.15 16:46:00 -
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 I like my Gallente Assault, this buff was much needed. Gall.Ass, best Ass!!!
 
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