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Curious, as tow missile systems are vehicle mounted. Are you suggesting swarms become vehicle mounted systems?

swarms need a buff - but i believe they should reward those who put SP's into them.

i would say a new skill or 2

swarm speed +5% per level ( my choice)

and/or

swarm lock on range +7.5% per level - (max range with skill 240m)

Charlie has been good to those who have not skilled into swarm AV but punished us who have. i agree that yes something did need to be done about lower level swarms but when swarms needed a buff in general those who have put the time and effort into getting them feel screwed over.

Hard enough to take down dropships and hav. So you reduced overall damage by 78 and still has the same lock on range as a militia. I thought proto meant something. It's like you went in reverse. The US army uses a tow or law and it o n lying takes 1 to take down a armored vehicle. Please fix the swarms they are horrible............

LAV mounted (locking)swarmlauncher... very... very good idea! Imagine, LAV in high spot... plop plop plop plop swoooooooooooooooooooosh. 500m range

Hard enough to take down dropships and hav. So you reduced overall damage by 78 and still has the same lock on range as a militia. I thought proto meant something. It's like you went in reverse. The US army uses a tow or law and it o n lying takes 1 to take down a armored vehicle. Please fix the swarms they are horrible............

Uhhh no the moronic fire half the time eats the ground or wall even though I turned and fired. because it has the turning radius of a dime and it actually hurts it to be that tight cornering. Because I see the guy going over a hill so I fire it almost straight up because you would think it would turn and go back down nope. goes straight down into the ground. It needs a dumb fire because if you charge us using them we die like nothing too. Its all on range right now we have to hit you while your coming in and reload hiding. then hit you with another full volley and hope you go down. if your dropping easy in a ADS then you didn't skill into it right because I have seen some take a full 8 volley of missiles and fly away.

The problem is more there are two groups of people who fly them. The Newbs who just skilled in. (PS newb means new not bad.) and the hardcore people who have been flying them since the start who maxed it out. The maxed out people have way more skill, better builds, and understanding of how it works. Trust me I had half a team firing at one ADS we could not bring it down. with 8 people firing at it. every time we almost did booster and gone.

Also if your standing your ground and tanking hits in a ADS for more then a few mins. your doing it wrong its a hit and run when fired on unit. Its fine to take out tanks because they can't fire up to get you. but don't park over infantry and think no ones going to fire on you.

STD Swarmers are okay vs militia tanks and dropships... but the ones people skilled for. ya your not going to easily drop them with just STD swarmers. sometimes it seems like they can't be killed with the strength of some hardeners and the tanks build.

Air support doesn't have nearly as many counters as ground vehicles have and that's the real problem .

Curious, as tow missile systems are vehicle mounted.

this nails it right on the head. I find tanks in a good place (minus the NK buff which sounds really cool, but I think it was a bad idea). ADS are almost unstoppable unless the pilot is really unskilled. I think if they combined your idea of increased speed with two lock ranges (one for ground vehicles (current level) and one for dropships (higher than the current level)) ADS might be more counterable.

ADS would still have a solid counter if bad pilots didn't scream for the rail to be nerfed. There's tankers out there that can use a rail like the wrath of an angry god. It's scary what they can do.

Could at least allow us to use another button to fire straight ahead without a lock... one chance to kill infantry at least. But yes do increase the lock range a bit. 250 could be a start. The drop from 400 to 175 was too much.

/c

You seem to have overlooked the light damage mod buff. Two 7% mods on your nerfed swarms do more damage than two 5% mods on Bravo swarms. Quit complaining and fit your suit correctly.

175m already makes you invisible, so it's a no no before they fix rendering, which they never will.

your looking at it wrong. even with 3x complex dmg mods now, it still wont cover for the 2x dmg mod hits in bravo.

You seem to have overlooked the light damage mod buff. Two 7% mods on your nerfed swarms do more damage than two 5% mods on Bravo swarms. Quit complaining and fit your suit correctly.

You seem to have overlooked the light damage mod buff. Two 7% mods on your nerfed swarms do more damage than two 5% mods on Bravo swarms. Quit complaining and fit your suit correctly.

You have an auto-aim, auto-tracking, corner-cutting AV weapon that can 3 shot my best SHIELD TANKED ADS.

It's not the swarms that are horrible...

I think swarms are in a great place personally but had to just comment. Corner-cutting? No. Back at the start of this game when swarms were incredibly OP and smart, yes, the were corner cutting. Now they're like fat drunk slugs waking up from a hangover in a violent ejection that attempt to blumber around the map to find you.