which way of dying was it that's unfair?

when I see your shimmer at 70 meters or when you sneak up on someone? because a good scout doesn't need it to backstab

Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers

And you do?

*checks player stats* lols

He's right. Cloak doesn't make them any better at slaying. Just gives them an ever so slight chance for their shimmer not to be seen out of the corner of your eyes. And it makes the Gallente unscannable with 2 damps.

What they should remove or buff is the proto cloak. It's useless.

He's right. Cloak doesn't make them any better at slaying. Just gives them an ever so slight chance for their shimmer not to be seen out of the corner of your eyes. And it makes the Gallente unscannable with 2 damps.

What they should remove or buff is the proto cloak. It's useless.

all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good!

all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good!

which way of dying was it that's unfair?

when I see your shimmer at 70 meters or when you sneak up on someone? because a good scout doesn't need it to backstab

'Back in the day' - you mean beta? Cos scouts ain't really been a bother since uprising dropped until 1.8 (or whatever it was)

He means uprising 1.1-1.6

Back then, it took some high quality players to PC in Scout suits.

People like DJINN Marauder, ShottyGoBang, Appia Vibbia, Radar, Musturd, Etc...

Very few could pull of what we old scouts did in those suits. We were forged in fire. We have no need for cloaks except for the dampen bonus.

We perfected the art of staying in people's blind sides, when not doing so resulted in a quick death.

That much is true. Unfortunately the few players that remain here have slowly adapted to checking their six so attacking from behind is not always fool proof.

No. GD has corrupted this game long enough. Adapt. Start holding yourself accountable for your deaths instead of mechanics. Some are warranted, the lot are not.

all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good!

Really then why do all the top corps field 16 shotfu*ks in each pc matchnow? and moreover win with them? Because the other team is circle jerking in the mcc?

Yea, Ghost is scary. Plus I remember his vids. That guy would sneak up on anybody. Gave me the creeps.

He means uprising 1.1-1.6

Back then, it took some high quality players to PC in Scout suits.

People like DJINN Marauder, ShottyGoBang, Appia Vibbia, Radar, Musturd, Etc...

Very few could pull of what we old scouts did in those suits. We were forged in fire. We have no need for cloaks except for the dampen bonus.

We perfected the art of staying in people's blind sides, when not doing so resulted in a quick death.

Calm down and listen.

The fact is that the cloak doesn't hide you from anything but scrubs unless you're at LEAST a laser rifle's range out. Even then a sniper will see your cloak.

Quite literally the cloak will be seen by any player who's got gun game, and its only actual use is hiding IN THE BACKGROUND not on the front lines, as well as it's small dampening bonus.

Shotgun scouts were a thing before 1.8; so were armor tanked Gallente scouts. They just weren't anywhere near as common.

What's REALLY happening is the Caldari has OP stats, even after they've taken its precision bonus away. Every single stat it has is very good except armor stacking (which is pathetic honestly, if you're going to HP tank your Cal scout use a shield reg and an armor rep).

There are just way too many scouts, running around with way too much HP and EWAR.

That's another thing. EWAR wasn't even close to being OP before Caldari and Amarr scouts came out.

Back in beat there wasnt 1k-2k ehp frames everywhere. There wasnt aim assist as we got now.


Cloaks just helps a little. They dont make somene good.


To OP. If you want to remove cloaks, then also remove scanners. Caldari/matar cant get under 15db without proto cloak.

Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers

Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers

all they do is provide a way of dying which feels totally unfair. I know it sounded like a good idea and you may of put alot of work into it but come on they're just ridiculous.

Why Must they be able to get under a 15db scanner? why cant each scout be specialised? If they can all hide from the foucused scanner then what is the point of it?
As long as every scout cant get underneath the amarr's max scan precision then all is right.

all they do is provide a way of dying which feels totally unfair. I know it sounded like a good idea and you may of put alot of work into it but come on they're just ridiculous.

Because every scout should be able to get under best in game scanners using all thier lows + cloak (except gallente).

Scanned scout is dead scout.

Its like saying that sentiniels should not get more than x hp.

Once again, are you refering to scouts with cloaks and dampeners or only cloaks?

K/D(r) matchmaking fixes this.

So tempting to say adapt or die to that but....
A scanned scout back before LOLOP cloaks would just run the hell out of there and that was back with 360 scans Why? they were able to run and didnt have 700 amour weighing them down. and that game of cat and mouse was what made scouts so fun, for me at least.

Also in my prior post i meant not all scout should be able to get under a foucused scanner just 1/2

Wrong.

Prior to 1.8, I died, a lot, from people that just happened to catch a glimpse of me 60 to 100 m out while I was doing my best to find what little cover there was in getting through enemy lines to hack CRUs and objectives to give my team a chance.

I had 200 hp, and it was easy. They didn't even have to be a good shot. And that was WITHOUT being in their scan range, simply because maps are so open, and you can't possibly find cover from one end to the other.

I couldn't run away, because I wasn't trying to engage in the first place. I was already running away from battle.

Stop making false statements simply because you didn't have the experience or wherewithal to see a perspective other than your own.

all they do is provide a way of dying which feels totally unfair. I know it sounded like a good idea and you may of put alot of work into it but come on they're just ridiculous.

I have never been an advocate of "CLOAKING" a single thing in ANY of these games. I posted before somewhere that "cloak" is a fixation on people that came from the Capt'n Kirk versus the Romulans in the 1960's StarTrek show. It has NEVER been an idea grounded in the reality of combat.
SNIPERS (who need to fully obscure themselves because they must stay STATIONARY to assassinate or observe) need to hide.
SCOUTing personnel have through history used sneaking skills to infiltrate and perform their taskls. GOOD Scouting is done via SKILLS, yes.
The only REAL WORLD folks who dream about "cloaked soldiers" are the 10-star generals and lab nuts. Soldiers say "heck with inviso-jazz, we'll just use our skills", and they go and get the damn job done! Right?

So Richiesutie 2, you have my sympathy.
I always suspected the "cloak" that people salivate to have in these games, would overwhelmingly be used by impish players who want to dash around the entire match trying to "ninja" loose players. ("Loose players" means, yes, players who haven't yet perfected that EXTRA discipline it takes to catch those visiual cues that betray the cloaker--and act quickly on what your eye saw before the cloaker gets to brag to himself that he killed you using his awesome "scout-skill").

There IS thankfully a small population of players in the game who HAVE NOT treated the cloak as a joy-to-kill-toy, and actually give it some respect as a tool for doing their actual SCOUT work (fore example, hacking and holding an enemy objective no one else could possibly reach without a huge assault and clone loss)--so good for them They are the only players who will always get my salute (...no matter how I may be infruriated to feel them kill me while I'm trying to hack the Null cannon ).

But the line that distinguishes these two types of cloak-users (the true Scout or Sniper...from the annoying Cloak-boy) is hard to keep track of. I guess I can't legitimately argue that "I don't mind when a REAL scout using her cloak properly shoots me in the course of her job.... but those "cloak-boys" bopping around to make surpise kills and call themselves scoutmasters should have their crutch-toy cloak taken away from them.".... I WANT TO make that arugument, but...uggh it's too leaky an argument.

I'm with you Richiesutie 2-- I feel some of your annoyance. I am good enough to "see" their shimmer, and splatter MOST pesky cloak-boys buzzing around me.
I will still be bagged by one when I'm walking nowhere near a strategicly important part of the map now and then (...obviously a cloak-boy running-n-giggling)...
But the cloak plague I envisioned when I furst heard this device was comingto the game, never really became a disaster I thought it would be---it's tured out more like a mosquito bite.

Like Dropship operating, the number of players who know how to utilize it to its true potential and be more than just a periodic obstacle,... is too small a number to be noticed, appreciated, take over the game, and OWN every match doing what they know how to do so well.

lol i had both scouts to proto pre 1.8 and they were a lot more fun back then