DUST Search - ccp remove cloaks

bamboo x wrote:

richiesutie 2 wrote:

Really then why do all the top corps field 16 shotfu*ks in each pc matchnow? and moreover win with them? Because the other team is circle jerking in the mcc?

Calm down and listen.

The fact is that the cloak doesn't hide you from anything but scrubs unless you're at LEAST a laser rifle's range out. Even then a sniper will see your cloak.

Quite literally the cloak will be seen by any player who's got gun game, and its only actual use is hiding IN THE BACKGROUND not on the front lines, as well as it's small dampening bonus.

Shotgun scouts were a thing before 1.8; so were armor tanked Gallente scouts. They just weren't anywhere near as common.

What's REALLY happening is the Caldari has OP stats, even after they've taken its precision bonus away. Every single stat it has is very good except armor stacking (which is pathetic honestly, if you're going to HP tank your Cal scout use a shield reg and an armor rep).

There are just way too many scouts, running around with way too much HP and EWAR.

That's another thing. EWAR wasn't even close to being OP before Caldari and Amarr scouts came out.

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richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 907	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:29:00 - [1] - Quote all they do is provide a way of dying which feels totally unfair. I know it sounded like a good idea and you may of put alot of work into it but come on they're just ridiculous. compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 845	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:32:00 - [2] - Quote which way of dying was it that's unfair? when I see your shimmer at 70 meters or when you sneak up on someone? because a good scout doesn't need it to backstab *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Egonz4 DARKSTAR ARMY 423	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:34:00 - [3] - Quote Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers Master of The Flaylock
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 907	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:34:00 - [4] - Quote bamboo x wrote: which way of dying was it that's unfair? when I see your shimmer at 70 meters or when you sneak up on someone? because a good scout doesn't need it to backstab Sorry i mean dying to a cloaked scout shotFu*k compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 907	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:35:00 - [5] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers And you do? checks player stats lols compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Hakyou Brutor Pure Evil. 1015	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:37:00 - [6] - Quote Use your eyeballs bro.
Tectonic Fusion 1979	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:37:00 - [7] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Egonz4 wrote: Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers And you do? checks player stats lols He never said he had skill. He's decent if not a little less. I squaded with a him a while back.
Michael Arck 5212	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:38:00 - [8] - Quote No. GD has corrupted this game long enough. Adapt. Start holding yourself accountable for your deaths instead of mechanics. Some are warranted, the lot are not. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 845	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:38:00 - [9] - Quote He's right. Cloak doesn't make them any better at slaying. Just gives them an ever so slight chance for their shimmer not to be seen out of the corner of your eyes. And it makes the Gallente unscannable with 2 damps. What they should remove or buff is the proto cloak. It's useless. *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 907	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:49:00 - [10] - Quote bamboo x wrote: He's right. Cloak doesn't make them any better at slaying. Just gives them an ever so slight chance for their shimmer not to be seen out of the corner of your eyes. And it makes the Gallente unscannable with 2 damps. What they should remove or buff is the proto cloak. It's useless. Really then why do all the top corps field 16 shotfu*ks in each pc matchnow? and moreover win with them? Because the other team is circle jerking in the mcc? compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)

Arcturis Vanguard Murphys-Law 244	Posted - 2014.08.13 23:58:00 - [11] - Quote bamboo x wrote: He's right. Cloak doesn't make them any better at slaying. Just gives them an ever so slight chance for their shimmer not to be seen out of the corner of your eyes. And it makes the Gallente unscannable with 2 damps. What they should remove or buff is the proto cloak. It's useless. Your forgetting the calscout not just the galscout. Also the proto cloak is not useless, it's a valuable asset for scouts for positioning and evasion. Only scrub scouts will shot you while cloaked. Bad a$s scouts will decloak when then have achieved their position to attack and the cloak when things get hot. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 461	Posted - 2014.08.14 00:02:00 - [12] - Quote all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! [LogiBro in Training] channel: BP SQUAD
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative.. 189	Posted - 2014.08.14 01:10:00 - [13] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! 'Back in the day' - you mean beta? Cos scouts ain't really been a bother since uprising dropped until 1.8 (or whatever it was)
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 336	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:06:00 - [14] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! Back in beat there wasnt 1k-2k ehp frames everywhere. There wasnt aim assist as we got now. Cloaks just helps a little. They dont make somene good. To OP. If you want to remove cloaks, then also remove scanners. Caldari/matar cant get under 15db without proto cloak. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2996	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:07:00 - [15] - Quote bamboo x wrote: which way of dying was it that's unfair? when I see your shimmer at 70 meters or when you sneak up on someone? because a good scout doesn't need it to backstab Truth. Git gud, OP.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6376	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:11:00 - [16] - Quote m621 zma wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! 'Back in the day' - you mean beta? Cos scouts ain't really been a bother since uprising dropped until 1.8 (or whatever it was) He means uprising 1.1-1.6 Back then, it took some high quality players to PC in Scout suits. People like DJINN Marauder, ShottyGoBang, Appia Vibbia, Radar, Musturd, Etc... Very few could pull of what we old scouts did in those suits. We were forged in fire. We have no need for cloaks except for the dampen bonus. We perfected the art of staying in people's blind sides, when not doing so resulted in a quick death. FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12868	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:12:00 - [17] - Quote Sadly a lot of things required more effort, skill, luck than they do now. Tanks, Scouts, etc. Ah the days when I had to take cover from Swarmers............ "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 9040	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:18:00 - [18] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: m621 zma wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! 'Back in the day' - you mean beta? Cos scouts ain't really been a bother since uprising dropped until 1.8 (or whatever it was) He means uprising 1.1-1.6 Back then, it took some high quality players to PC in Scout suits. People like DJINN Marauder, ShottyGoBang, Appia Vibbia, Radar, Musturd, Etc... Very few could pull of what we old scouts did in those suits. We were forged in fire. We have no need for cloaks except for the dampen bonus. We perfected the art of staying in people's blind sides, when not doing so resulted in a quick death. That much is true. Unfortunately the few players that remain here have slowly adapted to checking their six so attacking from behind is not always fool proof. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6379	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:20:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: m621 zma wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! 'Back in the day' - you mean beta? Cos scouts ain't really been a bother since uprising dropped until 1.8 (or whatever it was) He means uprising 1.1-1.6 Back then, it took some high quality players to PC in Scout suits. People like DJINN Marauder, ShottyGoBang, Appia Vibbia, Radar, Musturd, Etc... Very few could pull of what we old scouts did in those suits. We were forged in fire. We have no need for cloaks except for the dampen bonus. We perfected the art of staying in people's blind sides, when not doing so resulted in a quick death. That much is true. Unfortunately the few players that remain here have slowly adapted to checking their six so attacking from behind is not always fool proof. We adapt. We survive. We're still kicking aren't we Tosch? FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 429	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:21:00 - [20] - Quote Yea, Ghost is scary. Plus I remember his vids. That guy would sneak up on anybody. Gave me the creeps.

Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 249	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:23:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: No. GD has corrupted this game long enough. Adapt. Start holding yourself accountable for your deaths instead of mechanics. Some are warranted, the lot are not. I agree but you wont get my likes. Why?
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3287	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:28:00 - [22] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! You mean elite scouts? Scouts shouldn't have to be elite to be relevant. And I don't think the cloaks make bad scouts good. Those people just HP tank. My Minja school
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 861	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:53:00 - [23] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Really then why do all the top corps field 16 shotfuks in each pc matchnow? and moreover win with them? Because the other team is circle jerking in the mcc? Calm down and listen. The fact is that the cloak doesn't hide you from anything but scrubs unless you're at LEAST a laser rifle's range out. Even then a sniper will see your cloak. Quite literally the cloak will be seen by any player who's got gun game, and its only actual use is hiding IN THE BACKGROUND not on the front lines, as well as it's small dampening bonus. Shotgun scouts were a thing before 1.8; so were armor tanked Gallente scouts. They just weren't anywhere near as common. What's REALLY happening is the Caldari has OP stats, even after they've taken its precision bonus away. Every single stat it has is very good except armor stacking (which is pathetic honestly, if you're going to HP tank your Cal scout use a shield reg and an armor rep). There are just way too many scouts, running around with way too much HP and EWAR. That's another thing. EWAR wasn't even close to being OP before Caldari and Amarr scouts came out. Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 6384	Posted - 2014.08.14 02:55:00 - [24] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Yea, Ghost is scary. Plus I remember his vids. That guy would sneak up on anybody. Gave me the creeps. I have vids? I wanna see.... FA's Stabber Extraordinaire Minmatar Enthusiast Explosions and Bulletstorm? Count me in!
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative.. 189	Posted - 2014.08.14 10:27:00 - [25] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: m621 zma wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! 'Back in the day' - you mean beta? Cos scouts ain't really been a bother since uprising dropped until 1.8 (or whatever it was) He means uprising 1.1-1.6 Back then, it took some high quality players to PC in Scout suits. People like DJINN Marauder, ShottyGoBang, Appia Vibbia, Radar, Musturd, Etc... Very few could pull of what we old scouts did in those suits. We were forged in fire. We have no need for cloaks except for the dampen bonus. We perfected the art of staying in people's blind sides, when not doing so resulted in a quick death. Yeah, like I say, scouts weren't a bother before the patch that brought racial parity and cloaks.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 338	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:38:00 - [26] - Quote bamboo x wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Really then why do all the top corps field 16 shotfu*ks in each pc matchnow? and moreover win with them? Because the other team is circle jerking in the mcc? Calm down and listen. The fact is that the cloak doesn't hide you from anything but scrubs unless you're at LEAST a laser rifle's range out. Even then a sniper will see your cloak. Quite literally the cloak will be seen by any player who's got gun game, and its only actual use is hiding IN THE BACKGROUND not on the front lines, as well as it's small dampening bonus. Shotgun scouts were a thing before 1.8; so were armor tanked Gallente scouts. They just weren't anywhere near as common. What's REALLY happening is the Caldari has OP stats, even after they've taken its precision bonus away. Every single stat it has is very good except armor stacking (which is pathetic honestly, if you're going to HP tank your Cal scout use a shield reg and an armor rep). There are just way too many scouts, running around with way too much HP and EWAR. That's another thing. EWAR wasn't even close to being OP before Caldari and Amarr scouts came out. That OP Caldari scout is outperformed by gallente in every way except regen. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Symbioticforks Pure Evil. 462	Posted - 2014.08.14 12:49:00 - [27] - Quote All I know is that many quality infantry players quit Dust 514 around the time of cloaks. That was their breaking point. It took gun game and back handed it through a window. If you survived through the broken glass and the fall you might have a chance at killing the shot gun scout that sprinted straight at you in the daylight of a desert map. (where cloaks render them most invisible) For all the talk of making things more skill based, this is a cheap trick for easy kills. Sniping Dust 514 (video series)
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 907	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:06:00 - [28] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: all yall are pussies who love the Cloak(see crutch).. good scouts back in the day didnt need no stinking Cloak to be annoyingly good! Back in beat there wasnt 1k-2k ehp frames everywhere. There wasnt aim assist as we got now. Cloaks just helps a little. They dont make somene good. To OP. If you want to remove cloaks, then also remove scanners. Caldari/matar cant get under 15db without proto cloak. Why Must they be able to get under a 15db scanner? why cant each scout be specialised? If they can all hide from the foucused scanner then what is the point of it? As long as every scout cant get underneath the amarr's max scan precision then all is right. compilation of Patch/build notes Check it out! :)
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 196	Posted - 2014.08.14 13:13:00 - [29] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers I still get killed by the clackers, but i usually always see them and cripple them before they finish me Burst HMG is OP use it. I do
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4651	Posted - 2014.08.14 14:39:00 - [30] - Quote Egonz4 wrote: Haha if u have skill...u hardly ever get killed by cloakers So how would you know?



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