I'm all for you scum getting a rof bonus.

2% per a lvl sounds good

Hi o/

For me, the Gal assault and the Cal assault MUST have OTHER bonus...

For the Gal :
OK, you want to increase the RoF, but 880 RoF, it would add a lot of kick, but you wouldn't have any more the kick reduction...

For me (maybe not very interesting for you)
+1% (or 2%) RoF and 5% kick reduction

For Calda :
Charge time reduction is a really good idea, but the burst RR has a lot of kick...
Those changes I would like to have :
- The charge time of the RR is increase (0.30s => 0.50)
- Caldassault bonus : 20% reduction charge time of rail weapon per level (=> caldassault would become the only suit which has a RR without charge time. Very interresting. But other people who use the RR have more charge time)***
- A kick reduction for calassault (5% per level)

*** I know what you'll say :
"But Calcommando would have a penality on his RR with more charge time"
=> Calcommando is made not to go ont the battlefront, but to be behind assault => charge time increase doesn't change this.

Thought ?
And sorry for my many mistakes. I don't speak English very well.

Hi o/

For me, the Gal assault and the Cal assault MUST have OTHER bonus...

For the Gal :
OK, you want to increase the RoF, but 880 RoF, it would add a lot of kick, but you wouldn't have any more the kick reduction...

For me (maybe not very interesting for you)
+1% (or 2%) RoF and 5% kick reduction

For Calda :
Charge time reduction is a really good idea, but the burst RR has a lot of kick...
Those changes I would like to have :
- The charge time of the RR is increase (0.30s => 0.50)
- Caldassault bonus : 20% reduction charge time of rail weapon per level (=> caldassault would become the only suit which has a RR without charge time. Very interresting. But other people who use the RR have more charge time)***
- A kick reduction for calassault (5% per level)

*** I know what you'll say :
"But Calcommando would have a penality on his RR with more charge time"
=> Calcommando is made not to go ont the battlefront, but to be behind assault => charge time increase doesn't change this.

Thought ?
And sorry for my many mistakes. I don't speak English very well.

- Caldassault bonus : 20% reduction charge time of rail weapon per level (=> caldassault would become the only suit which has a RR without charge time. Very interresting. But other people who use the RR have more charge time)***

I'm all for you scum getting a rof bonus.

2% per a lvl sounds good

What if we give gal a % bonus to optimal range? Or RoF.

% bonus to range actually fits with the theme of all the other bonuses - reducing the weaknesses of the racial weapon.

The Amarrian weakness, overheat, is reduced by the Amarr assault bonus.
The Minmatar weakness, short clip size, is compensated for by the Minmatar assault bonus.

It could make sense, then, to have a Calassault bonus reducing charge time on the RR/Magsec/Bolt pistol and a Galassault bonus increasing range.

I think the current Gal assault bonus is wonderful, if the suit itself wasn't so bad for so long people wouldn't be trying to 'fix it' (by making it overpowered) and that all assault bonuses should stay as bonuses that aren't just flat dps increases. I'm all about *performance* related weapon bonuses on assault, mag size, heat reduction, accuracy improvements, kick reductions, reload speeds etc, these are all things that make your guns better without simply going "Nah dude, I get to kill you because my dps is 33% higher than yours and there's nothing you can do about it aside from skill into the same suit I'm in"

Flies in the face of range standardizations, not to mention that improved accuracy actually improves DPS at range (which truthfully makes the current bonus better than the proposed bonus). Honestly I'd rather wait to see how HF Charlie plays out more than anything, because I'm convinced that the current gal assault bonus is ****ing amazing, you can hipfire TAC AR's quite accurately and with no real kick with high levels of assault, ar and sharpshooter.

Well I can't say I agree with you but your in titled to your opinion

Flies in the face of range standardisations?
It wouldn't even outrange the CR with a 25% bonus.

Your next comment makes me wonder - Have you actually used the Galassault? The AR has near perfect accuracy at range even without the bonus once ADSed. Recoil is utterly negligible.
The hipfire bonus on the TAR makes little difference, and there is still significant kick.

I think a lot of people are pre-emptively trying to 'fix' something that isn't actually broken. The bonus is and always has been good, the suit the bonus was placed on was terrible (like all assaults for a while in comparison to the huge passive suit benefits that scouts had), it's like "what's the point in having +9001% rifle damage on a suit that only has 1hp, moves at 1m a second and has the hitbox of a heavy". If you address the suit itself being bad, the bonus starts to stand on its own.

If we get to a point where all other things being roughly equal, I want people to look at the assault and go "This is the suit I want, because it makes my weapon function *better*" without just looking at damage, that has more or less always been the case for the amarr assault - where the SCR/Laser can be used on other suits but if you want to be the murderking you really want the assault.

The bonus isn't 'good', especially in comparison to the Amarr and Minmatar bonuses.
The Amarr and Min bonuses have hugely powerful and unique effects on their racial rifle. The recoil reduction is negligible, especially as recoil on most ARs is practically nonexistent. The hipfire reduction is minor, enough so that you can barely see the difference switching between a Galassault and a non-Galassault at a supply depot while you're looking for the crosshair change.

Unlike the Amarr and Minmatar suits, the bonus is not something that would make you gravitate specifically towards that suit, nor is it as unique, as the effect is provided by training the operations skills.
If you want a suit specifically to make the AR function better, you go Galmando. The damage and reload bonuses it gets are much more significant than the Galassault bonuses.

I think the cal bonus also needs looking at.. Sorry but reload speed doesn't mean much for a long range weapon.. Though I like the idea of a rof bonus for gal.

Yeah honestly I like the gal assault bonus and have heard some cal assaults rave about their bonus. It doesn't seem like much but when you can hip fire the TAR and laser the breach it's a beast. Not to mention the ion pistol turns into a much better weapon with decreased dispersion. Just wait for them to fix sidearms.

It really can't be rof because that's straight up increasing dps. No other assault bonus does that.

I would be ok if gal got reload speed. I always find myself wanting the AR to reload faster, it would help a lot in CQC brawling style. The cal could then get charge up time reduction (perhaps 10% per level). However again that's a big dps buff for the bolt pistol and charge sniper. Maybe a kick reduction to rail weapons.

What about...

Gallente Assault - 5% increased reload speed for blaster weaponry and 5% decrease in dispersion for blaster weaponry

Caldari Assault - 5% increased reload speed for rail weaponry and 5% decrease in kick for rail weaponry

I think this works nice and is equally awesome as min and amarr bonus

So how about a more official thread about this in feedback and discussion?

Regarding Gallente Assault:

RoF bonus would certainly make sense in the context of "RoF is king in CQC" but it is also a direct dps increase, something that has been strictly avoided for all of the other assault classes... not sure if that is a trend worth breaking?

I think a bonus to damage falloff would be pretty solid for the Gal Assault too, if its possible on the back end to change it. We could do this in two ways, either

1. Increase effective range by 5% per level, which smooths out the damage fall off after optimal giving an increase to damage without increasing the optimal range, something that was removed in Chromosome because it was kind of overpowered... however... increasing effective range to 87.5m might give a bit of a chromosome sharpshooter effect as well.

2. Decrease the damage penalty applied by being outside of optimal. This may be technically more complicated though, but if the reduction at max effective is 70%, I wonder if you could reduce that by X% per level and the linear drop off would remain intact. Doubt it though... its probably quite a bit more complicated than it looks.

or...

3. +3% Effective range per level. Increases effective range to 80.5m from 70m and gives the same damage curve as a 5% reduction to falloff damage penalty (assuming its linear) up to 70m.

Would any Gal Assaults care to comment? Curious what people think of this.

Here is a quick spreadsheet I whipped up and a plot of the damage curves.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MquvowOpdjVS36p2ySs4gW3TlvxRDTQWrWFOmDMNJBM/edit?usp=sharing

I actually quite like the idea of a range increase as a bonus for the Gallente assault as well. It seems a little unorthodox but even at 25% it doesn't begin to outrange any of the other main rifles.

I don't think falloff would be useful, though. Partially because it's weak - I would prefer an optimal bonus.

I wrote a little about it here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=171650&find=unread
I would be curious to hear what you think.


On the topic of RoF bonuses though - I don't think it'd really hurt that much to 'break the trend'. I would say that it's already been loosely broken by the Amarr assault because it allows you to freely lead with a charge shot volley on targets, which leads to a sharp spike in DPS. You can't really afford to do that as easily with unbonused suits.

I think that it's certainly a bonus worth consideration. A 2% per level bonus ends up equating to a shade over a 10% increase in DPS, and also reducing firing time per clip.

Explain to me how so?

No its perfectly fine. If it gets a buff all Assault bonuses should be buffed. No special treatment

There has to be a charge.... even if you caldari

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Not really... the amarr has less overheat as a bonus and the minmatar has a bigger clip size so why cant the caldari have less charge time and the galente have more rof? This I think really evens out to all the assaults having a bonus that actually helps