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Atiim wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

The ScR is stronger than the CR...JS

Actually, the burst AR is stronger than the CR

Only problem is the damage profiles favor FoTM armor stacking for the CR and less used and weaker shield stacking for AR and ScR

Allotek Burst PR DPS: 752.33HP
Boundless CR DPS: 751.6

With that in mind, let's look at the advantages each rifles has:

Burst Plasma Rife
+DPS (if you think .73HP matters)

Combat Rifle
+Range
+Damage Per Clip
+Accuracy
+Dispersion
+Weapon Profile

I'm sure that Combat Rifle users will feel inferior if Structure Tanking ever becomes a thing in DUST. Lol

As for SCRs being better than CRs, you must be using that Minmatar Scout a bit too much. Even if you had a turbo controller and fired at max RPM, the CR still out-DPSs the SCR by 80HP (assuming your fighting Armor like nearly every player in this game is using).

Though even if Shields became favorable, your point would be moot due to the fact that anyone having issues with SCRs can stack Armor to negate it, while such an option doesn't exist for the CR.

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BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 140	Posted - 2014.08.12 00:33:00 - [1] - Quote Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Zindorak 1.U.P 587	Posted - 2014.08.12 00:35:00 - [2] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. Don't worry Amarr is just gonna be what it is supposed to be. Best Race Pokemon master
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 140	Posted - 2014.08.12 00:37:00 - [3] - Quote Zindorak wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. Don't worry Amarr is just gonna be what it is supposed to be. Best Race I don't know about that. Let's see when charlie hits. The Blazing Intellect Machine
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3103	Posted - 2014.08.12 00:42:00 - [4] - Quote So just get them with a weapon that eats armor and maybe stack some plates yourself since their damage profile isnt great
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12781	Posted - 2014.08.12 00:46:00 - [5] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. You are I-RED..... you are safe..... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1827	Posted - 2014.08.12 02:19:00 - [6] - Quote I'm starting to think that the ScR needs a damage nerf but a compensating charge multiplier buff.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2344	Posted - 2014.08.12 02:22:00 - [7] - Quote Zindorak wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. Don't worry Amarr is just gonna be what it is supposed to be. Fixed.
Tectonic Fusion 1954	Posted - 2014.08.12 03:26:00 - [8] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm starting to think that the ScR needs a damage nerf but a compensating charge multiplier buff. It wasn't nerfed hard enough? If you didn't realize...it was double nerfed. Since it's head build up didn't change with it's damage nerf.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 235	Posted - 2014.08.12 03:38:00 - [9] - Quote Zindorak wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. Don't worry Amarr is just gonna be what it is supposed to be. Best Race Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Zindorak 1.U.P 589	Posted - 2014.08.12 03:40:00 - [10] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Zindorak wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. Don't worry Amarr is just gonna be what it is supposed to be. Fixed. If it ain't broke don't fix it Pokemon master

Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 287	Posted - 2014.08.12 03:53:00 - [11] - Quote Zindorak wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. Don't worry Amarr is just gonna be what it is supposed to be. Best Race Nah bro, don't you know about the secret passive for all Gallente suits: +20% Damage Increase with all weapons when black out drunk! Legionhares Unite!
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11333	Posted - 2014.08.12 04:14:00 - [12] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. You can Armor Tank your Matari Assault to negate most of the SCR's power, and a Boundless CR doesn't even need damage mods to utterly destroy people so.. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7165	Posted - 2014.08.12 04:26:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. You can Armor Tank your Matari Assault to negate most of the SCR's power, and a Boundless CR doesn't even need damage mods to utterly destroy people so.. If you need damage mods on a combat Rifle you are a scrub. see you space cowboy...
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11333	Posted - 2014.08.12 04:27:00 - [14] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Atiim wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. You can Armor Tank your Matari Assault to negate most of the SCR's power, and a Boundless CR doesn't even need damage mods to utterly destroy people so.. If you need a combat Rifle you are a scrub. I agree. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2013	Posted - 2014.08.12 04:27:00 - [15] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Atiim wrote: BlazeXYZ wrote: Amarr assualts with triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. I got beat down with it using my minmatar assualt today and they are powerful. You can Armor Tank your Matari Assault to negate most of the SCR's power, and a Boundless CR doesn't even need damage mods to utterly destroy people so.. If you need damage mods on a combat Rifle you are a scrub. The ScR is stronger than the CR...JS Actually, the burst AR is stronger than the CR Only problem is the damage profiles favor FoTM armor stacking for the CR and skilled and less used shield stacking for AR and ScR "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 323	Posted - 2014.08.12 04:48:00 - [16] - Quote Ill laught at armor stacked people thinking that ScR wont hurt them. It will. It have insane dps vs armor even with it efficiency. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11334	Posted - 2014.08.12 05:41:00 - [17] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The ScR is stronger than the CR...JS Actually, the burst AR is stronger than the CR Only problem is the damage profiles favor FoTM armor stacking for the CR and less used and weaker shield stacking for AR and ScR Allotek Burst PR DPS: 752.33HP Boundless CR DPS: 751.6 With that in mind, let's look at the advantages each rifles has: Burst Plasma Rife +DPS (if you think .73HP matters) Combat Rifle +Range +Damage Per Clip +Accuracy +Dispersion +Weapon Profile I'm sure that Combat Rifle users will feel inferior if Structure Tanking ever becomes a thing in DUST. As for SCRs being better than CRs, you must be using that Minmatar Scout a bit too much. Even if you had a turbo controller and fired at max RPM, the CR still out-DPSs the SCR by 80HP (assuming your fighting Armor like nearly every player in this game is using). Though even if Shields became favorable, your point would be moot due to the fact that anyone having issues with SCRs can stack Armor to negate it, while such an option doesn't exist for the CR. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 195	Posted - 2014.08.12 06:05:00 - [18] - Quote Doesn't a Scrambler Rifle still do more damage per non chargeshot vs Armor then a Combat Rifle? Even with that -20%? Or is my CCP math wrong? standard scrambler 65*0.80=52 amirite? Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7167	Posted - 2014.08.12 06:05:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The ScR is stronger than the CR...JS Actually, the burst AR is stronger than the CR Only problem is the damage profiles favor FoTM armor stacking for the CR and less used and weaker shield stacking for AR and ScR Allotek Burst PR DPS: 752.33HP Boundless CR DPS: 751.6 With that in mind, let's look at the advantages each rifles has: Burst Plasma Rife +DPS (if you think .73HP matters) Combat Rifle +Range +Damage Per Clip +Accuracy +Dispersion +Weapon Profile I'm sure that Combat Rifle users will feel inferior if Structure Tanking ever becomes a thing in DUST. As for SCRs being better than CRs, you must be using that Minmatar Scout a bit too much. Even if you had a turbo controller and fired at max RPM, the CR still out-DPSs the SCR by 80HP (assuming your fighting Armor like nearly every player in this game is using). Though even if Shields became favorable, your point would be moot due to the fact that anyone having issues with SCRs can stack Armor to negate it, while such an option doesn't exist for the CR. I've noticed he seems to have the bad habit of looking at a single trait of a weapon that's better than the other and calls it a better gun. see you space cowboy...
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11337	Posted - 2014.08.12 06:17:00 - [20] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I've noticed he seems to have the bad habit of looking at a single trait of a weapon that's better than the other and calls it a better gun. Well, he's a lot better than jerrmy12. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND

bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 835	Posted - 2014.08.12 06:20:00 - [21] - Quote This is a good thing. Light weapons have been a little UP ever since 1.8 hit. Damage mods were near useless. Now they'll see some use again. Unfortunately that also means my AR is just going to be as useless as ever... *Eternal Beings* - #76 in All Time WP - #90 in All Time Kills. Member since day one, 10 months ago.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7167	Posted - 2014.08.12 06:33:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: I've noticed he seems to have the bad habit of looking at a single trait of a weapon that's better than the other and calls it a better gun. Well, he's a lot better than jerrmy12. Oh god. I can't deal with the profound amounts of arrogance he resonates see you space cowboy...
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3306	Posted - 2014.08.12 07:09:00 - [23] - Quote protofits say the Viziam SCR has over 1000 DPS! How come there is no +20% dmg to armor weapon?? > Check RND out here
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3912	Posted - 2014.08.12 07:15:00 - [24] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: protofits say the Viziam SCR has over 1000 DPS! How come there is no +20% dmg to armor weapon?? You forget massdrivers, grenades and the flaylock which deal +20% vs armor. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3907	Posted - 2014.08.12 07:17:00 - [25] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: protofits say the Viziam SCR has over 1000 DPS! How come there is no +20% dmg to armor weapon?? You forget massdrivers, grenades and the flaylock which deal +20% vs armor. I'm pretty sure that was a joke (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3306	Posted - 2014.08.12 07:25:00 - [26] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: protofits say the Viziam SCR has over 1000 DPS! How come there is no +20% dmg to armor weapon?? You forget massdrivers, grenades and the flaylock which deal +20% vs armor. I'm pretty sure that was a joke nah, I wasn't joking......I wasn't thinking of explosives. I was referring to point and aim weapons. > Check RND out here
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.08.12 09:08:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: ((have to edit it because I forgot to include the charged shot difference in dps. 1213.8 This is the proto Scrambler rifle base. 1456.5 vs shields. (1638.5) 971 vs armor. This is what I mean. Now the proto HMG. 887.04 base with three damage mods on. 842.688 vs shields. 975.744 vs armor. (1108.8) Now the difference is the scrambler will murder shields. Then nail your armor for decent damage with the new mods from a longer range then the HMG most likely can handle. also take into account the Heavy has crap for slots compared to most other dropsuits. Its more likely to have 1 or 2 damage mods. This tends to hurt its max hp on most dropsuits. where the new upcoming assaults are going to stack hp to about 900 and have three damage mods on. well some of the suits. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6229 say like that. some food for thought on the scrambler rifle in charlie. OH as a side note thats with three complex damage mods on each even though most heavies can only do 1-3 max. but doing so on the ones with three would kill its effective hp value. Quote: Light damage mod. 7.00 6.08 3.99 1.98 0.74 Sidearm damage mod. 8.00 6.95 4.56 2.26 0.85 also these are the new damage mods descending scaling.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 327	Posted - 2014.08.12 09:15:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: The ScR is stronger than the CR...JS Actually, the burst AR is stronger than the CR Only problem is the damage profiles favor FoTM armor stacking for the CR and less used and weaker shield stacking for AR and ScR Allotek Burst PR DPS: 752.33HP Boundless CR DPS: 751.6 With that in mind, let's look at the advantages each rifles has: Burst Plasma Rife +DPS (if you think .73HP matters) Combat Rifle +Range +Damage Per Clip +Accuracy +Dispersion +Weapon Profile I'm sure that Combat Rifle users will feel inferior if Structure Tanking ever becomes a thing in DUST. As for SCRs being better than CRs, you must be using that Minmatar Scout a bit too much. Even if you had a turbo controller and fired at max RPM, the CR still out-DPSs the SCR by 80HP (assuming your fighting Armor like nearly every player in this game is using). Though even if Shields became favorable, your point would be moot due to the fact that anyone having issues with SCRs can stack Armor to negate it, while such an option doesn't exist for the CR. Actualy ScR have nearly same DPS as CR vs armor. And its harder to miss with ScR than CR. At the end. Both are good. But still prefer ScR than CR. Especialy when six kin smg does as well. Caldari Loyalist Markiplier fan. Got 6815 WP only on wrecking tanks with Ion Cannon.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11641	Posted - 2014.08.12 09:20:00 - [29] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: protofits say the Viziam SCR has over 1000 DPS! How come there is no +20% dmg to armor weapon?? You forget massdrivers, grenades and the flaylock which deal +20% vs armor. I'm pretty sure that was a joke nah, I wasn't joking......I wasn't thinking of explosives. I was referring to point and aim weapons. 1000 DPS* *with a modded controller Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11342	Posted - 2014.08.12 14:54:00 - [30] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: protofits say the Viziam SCR has over 1000 DPS! How come there is no +20% dmg to armor weapon?? You forget massdrivers, grenades and the flaylock which deal +20% vs armor. I'm pretty sure that was a joke nah, I wasn't joking......I wasn't thinking of explosives. I was referring to point and aim weapons. Such as a Conventional Rifle? I could go for an Explosive Kinetic weapon. DUST 514's 1st Matari Commando -HAND



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