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Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.08.11 18:49:00 - [1] - Quote I feel like this is going to make a lot of guns feel OP or at the very least make heavies worthless. here are the damage mod new damage profiles. Light damage mod. 7.00 6.08 3.99 1.98 0.74 Sidearm damage mod. 8.00 6.95 4.56 2.26 0.85 I got these out of Protofits. If they are right.... we will have light weapons out DPSing the HMG. easily. as 3 give you 17% damage for the light and 19.51% for the sidearm.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3898	Posted - 2014.08.11 18:57:00 - [2] - Quote Shhhh my Scr needs this (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2760	Posted - 2014.08.11 18:58:00 - [3] - Quote Whats the difference in DPS?
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote ..... its like almosts 20% more damage. before you could get 12% with 3 complex modes. now you get 12% for heavy, 17% for light, and 19.5% for sidearm damage mods with three. also take into account that most assaults in charlie are getting more slots. its going to make them almost a match for the heavy toe to toe. at least with certain weapons.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2760	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:05:00 - [5] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: ..... its like almosts 20% more damage. before you could get 12% with 3 complex modes. now you get 12% for heavy, 17% for light, and 19.5% for sidearm damage mods with three. also take into account that most assaults in charlie are getting more slots. its going to make them almost a match for the heavy toe to toe. at least with certain weapons. How does +12% vs +17% turn into a 20% difference in DPS?
The Eristic Dust 90210 608	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:05:00 - [6] - Quote Triple-modded Ion Pistol, here I come! Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:06:00 - [7] - Quote I said >like< not on the dot. its getting much closer then it was.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2760	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:14:00 - [8] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I said >like< not on the dot. its getting much closer then it was. Assault mk.0 3 Complex Light Damage Mods Duvoulle Assault Rifle 615 DPS Sentinel mk.0 3 Complex Heavy Damage Mods Boundless HMG 1026 DPS I'm sorry I'm just....not seeing what you're talking about EDIT: Even an unmodded, Standard HMG does 828 DPS, more than a triple damage modded Proto Assault Rifle.
Cody Sietz Evzones 3819	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:19:00 - [9] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Shhhh my Scr needs this The ScR and ScP are the reasons I'm not for buffing dmg mods. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 156	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:21:00 - [10] - Quote LOL at OP for thinking heavies are worthless in Charlie.

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3899	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:22:00 - [11] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I said >like< not on the dot. its getting much closer then it was. Assault mk.0 3 Complex Light Damage Mods Duvoulle Assault Rifle 615 DPS Sentinel mk.0 3 Complex Heavy Damage Mods Boundless HMG 1026 DPS I'm sorry I'm just....not seeing what you're talking about EDIT: Even an unmodded, Standard HMG does 828 DPS, more than a triple damage modded Proto Assault Rifle. Why did you use a Assault rifle for an example? (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Tectonic Fusion 1953	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:22:00 - [12] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Shhhh my Scr needs this The ScR and ScP are the reasons I'm not for buffing dmg mods. My Tac AR needs this. And it won't do crap to the ScP because it already was ultra nerfed.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2761	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:24:00 - [13] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I said >like< not on the dot. its getting much closer then it was. Assault mk.0 3 Complex Light Damage Mods Duvoulle Assault Rifle 615 DPS Sentinel mk.0 3 Complex Heavy Damage Mods Boundless HMG 1026 DPS I'm sorry I'm just....not seeing what you're talking about EDIT: Even an unmodded, Standard HMG does 828 DPS, more than a triple damage modded Proto Assault Rifle. Why did you use a Assault rifle for an example? Does it...matter? The last fit I had been working on happened to be an mk.0, so I just pulled all the modules out and replaced them with damage mods. So....because Im lazy? I mean I could have gone with Commando to get the +10% damage, but that's still not enough to even come close to making the Light Weapon out-DPS the HMG.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3189	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:26:00 - [14] - Quote Man... Ishukone ASMG with triple sidearm mods... would chew up armor suits like nothing! B C R U are letters, not words - Wierd Al Yankovich
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:26:00 - [15] - Quote Where did you get a 1000DPs it has a DPS of around 720 unless there are hidden stats. Secondly as an example. Scrambler rifle with damage mods. 894.7029DPS
Cody Sietz Evzones 3819	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:29:00 - [16] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Shhhh my Scr needs this The ScR and ScP are the reasons I'm not for buffing dmg mods. My Tac AR needs this. And it won't do crap to the ScP because it already was ultra nerfed. That assault ScP though... The TAR is not on the same level as a Viziam(or however it's spelled) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:32:00 - [17] - Quote That was the damage for a STD scrambler rifle. NOt the proto.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2761	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:41:00 - [18] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Where did you get a 1000DPs it has a DPS of around 720 unless there are hidden stats. Secondly as an example. Scrambler rifle with damage mods. 894.7029DPS Let me be clear, It's assuming damage against one damage profile, in the HMG's case Armor since thats what its proficiency modifies, and I did the same for the light weapon, to show peak, optimal DPS in a given moment. To be more clear I'll take an Combat Rifle so the profiles and proficiencies are the same in order to make things equal. Boundless HMG + 3 Complex Damage Mods & Prof. V 2400 Rounds Per Minute / 60 = 40 Rounds per Second 25.66 Armor Damage per Round after 3 Complex Damage Mods & Prof. V 40 * 25.66 = 1026.4 Armor Damage Per Second (Before Profile) Boundless Combat RIfle + 3 Complex Damage Mods & Prof. V 1200 Rounds Per Minute / 60 = 20 Rounds per Second 40.32 Armor Damage per Round after 3 Complex Damage Mods & Prof. V 20* 40.32 = 806.4 Armor Damage Per Second (Before Profile) If you want to look at it without Proficiency HMG = 892 DPS Combat Rifle = 701 DPS
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 328	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:42:00 - [19] - Quote I have no love for Fatness or HMG's. But I am still baffled at what is driving this buff to damage mods. CCP reduced them in 1.8 as part of the effort to increase TTK. That increased shield mod usage which added diversity to fits, something CCP has been striving for in these Hotfixes. I personally have not read a single thread from the player base complaining about that % reduction for dam mods since 1.8 dropped on March 25. Even though I relish every opportunity to put a shotgun blast between the shoulder blades of Fat I don't like this coming buff. Longer TTK rewards good tactics, gun game, and using your wits rather than reducing the game to whoever shoots first wins. Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2762	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:56:00 - [20] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: That was the damage for a STD scrambler rifle. NOt the proto. I'm assming proto for all these calcs. Scrambler Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof= 992DPS Assault Scrambler Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof= 496 DPS Tactical Assault Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof = 716 DPS Assault Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof =534DPS Rail Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof =469DPS Assault Rail Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof =472DPS Combat Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof =701DPS Assault Combat Rifle + 3 Mods No Prof =495DPS Heavy Machine Gun + 3 Mods No Prof = 892DPS Burst Heavy Machine Gun + 3 Mods No Prof =1373DPS So assuming no proficiency, but 3 damage mods, the only gun that outperforms the HMG is the Scrambler Rifle, all the others still fall behind by a significant margin. Now is that an issue with the damage mods? Or the scrambler rifle itself? And on that note, knowing that the Scr has one of the most "Extreme" damage profile at a +20%/-20%, and also knowing that the in a given battle, assuming there is an equal spread of shield and armor users, there is more armor HP in a given battle than shield HP. That being said, overall the Scrambler Rifle suffers more than most weapons, since it will typically need to eat through more armor than shields, making its damage profile actually rather weak overall.

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3900	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:57:00 - [21] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Shhhh my Scr needs this The ScR and ScP are the reasons I'm not for buffing dmg mods. My Tac AR needs this. And it won't do crap to the ScP because it already was ultra nerfed. That assault ScP though... The TAR is not on the same level as a Viziam(or however it's spelled) You got it right so have a like :D (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Tectonic Fusion 1954	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:58:00 - [22] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Shhhh my Scr needs this The ScR and ScP are the reasons I'm not for buffing dmg mods. My Tac AR needs this. And it won't do crap to the ScP because it already was ultra nerfed. That assault ScP though... The TAR is not on the same level as a Viziam(or however it's spelled) If you're talking about headshots then it wouldn't matter anyway lol. For normal damage...then lol too. I use the TAR for even more damage and it's just way better than the normal AR.
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:58:00 - [23] - Quote 1001 This is the proto Scrambler rifle base. 1202 vs shields. (1353) 800 vs armor. This is what I mean. Now the proto HMG. 887.04 base with three damage mods on. 842.688 vs shields. 975.744 vs armor. (1108.8) Now the difference is the scrambler will murder shields. Then nail your armor for decent damage with the new mods from a longer range then the HMG most likely can handle. also take into account the Heavy has crap for slots compared to most other dropsuits. Its more likely to have 1 or 2 damage mods. This tends to hurt its max hp on most dropsuits. where the new upcoming assaults are going to stack hp to about 900 and have three damage mods on. well some of the suits. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6229 say like that.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 3097	Posted - 2014.08.11 19:58:00 - [24] - Quote Well good, people are supposed to die and not just sit in a fat suit with their thumb up their asses Welcome to video games
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3900	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:00:00 - [25] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: I said >like< not on the dot. its getting much closer then it was. Assault mk.0 3 Complex Light Damage Mods Duvoulle Assault Rifle 615 DPS Sentinel mk.0 3 Complex Heavy Damage Mods Boundless HMG 1026 DPS I'm sorry I'm just....not seeing what you're talking about EDIT: Even an unmodded, Standard HMG does 828 DPS, more than a triple damage modded Proto Assault Rifle. Why did you use a Assault rifle for an example? Does it...matter? The last fit I had been working on happened to be an mk.0, so I just pulled all the modules out and replaced them with damage mods. So....because Im lazy? I mean I could have gone with Commando to get the +10% damage, but that's still not enough to even come close to making the Light Weapon out-DPS the HMG. You completely missed what I said. I want to know why you used the most UP rifle on a suit that doesn't even benefit from having it equipped. A better choice would of been a Cr because of its dmg profiles and rof (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3900	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:03:00 - [26] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: 1001 This is the proto Scrambler rifle base. 1202 vs shields. (1353) 800 vs armor. This is what I mean. Now the proto HMG. 887.04 base with three damage mods on. 842.688 vs shields. 975.744 vs armor. (1108.8) Now the difference is the scrambler will murder shields. Then nail your armor for decent damage with the new mods from a longer range then the HMG most likely can handle. also take into account the Heavy has crap for slots compared to most other dropsuits. Its more likely to have 1 or 2 damage mods. This tends to hurt its max hp on most dropsuits. where the new upcoming assaults are going to stack hp to about a grand and have three damage mods on. well some of the suits. My Ak.0 will have 1004ehp and three dmgs mods, I can already 1vs1 most sentinels and win but with the 2% buff it'll be all the easier (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2762	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:04:00 - [27] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: 1001 This is the proto Scrambler rifle base. 1202 vs shields. (1353) 800 vs armor. This is what I mean. Now the proto HMG. 887.04 base with three damage mods on. 842.688 vs shields. 975.744 vs armor. (1108.8) Now the difference is the scrambler will murder shields. Then nail your armor for decent damage with the new mods from a longer range then the HMG most likely can handle. also take into account the Heavy has crap for slots compared to most other dropsuits. Its more likely to have 1 or 2 damage mods. This tends to hurt its max hp on most dropsuits. where the new upcoming assaults are going to stack hp to about a grand and have three damage mods on. well some of the suits. Again, the ONLY rifle that out-DPSes the HMG is the scrambler rifle, so don't talk like they're all like that, it's misleading. On top of that its the Tactical ScR, meaning its sustained DPS is terrible, unlike the HMG which is quite good. You're also forgetting that Sentinels resist certain damage types, Lasers being a resistance for the Minmatar and Caldari I believe, which cuts/negates the bonus to proficiency.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2762	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:06:00 - [28] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: You completely missed what I said. I want to know why you used the most UP rifle on a suit that doesn't even benefit from having it equipped. A better choice would of been a Cr because of its dmg profiles and rof We're looking at raw damage, not weapon performance. Like I said, tossing it on a Commando changes very little in terms of relative power between the weapons, which is the point of the thread. And I picked the Assault Rifle because it has the highest DPS of Assault-type weapons. Refer to my earlier post where I list them all out. EDIT: You're right, I misread what you said. But to be clear I just grabbed the Assault Rifle because it has the highest DPS of the full auto rifles. I listed them all out on the first page.
Groz'zar Kazoku Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:09:00 - [29] - Quote Uhhh no its the plain proto scrambler. Its first shot tends to be misleading as it is much stronger then the numbers taken into acount for the DPS. forgot to do that. also don't complain about a gun because your trigger finger sucks. I can usually get the full Dps out of it no problem. I mean its not that big an issue to get it to fire at full speed and hit.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2763	Posted - 2014.08.11 20:12:00 - [30] - Quote Groz'zar Kazoku wrote: Uhhh no its the plain proto scrambler. Its first shot tends to be misleading as it is much stronger then the numbers taken into acount for the DPS. forgot to do that. also don't complain about a gun because your trigger finger sucks. I can usually get the full Dps out of it no problem. I mean its not that big an issue to get it to fire at full speed and hit. Again, it's the only rifle that exceeds the DPS of the HMG. All others still fall far behind. And I wont lie, I'm terrible with the ScR, so put the ePeen away, I'm not into guys. I do however know that an HMG can sustain its full DPS for a longer period of time than a Scrambler Rifle can before overheating, thus it is better at sustained DPS.



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