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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4160
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:00:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Clone D wrote:
Market value for a game runs at about $60, right. If SP were purchasable, I bet a slew of new players would pay their $60 to make some progress in the skill tree. Then, the fact that they spent some money on the game would keep them playing. Then they would want more stuff and gradually spend more money to skip ahead as time progresses. This game could have been a cash cow.
Myopia killed this game.
Dust was never worth 60. If it had been a boxed game on a shelf it never would have gotten off the ground. The reason why Dust ever had as many people as it did was because of people having hope that CCP would bring their vision to fruition. You think people would continue to throw good money after bad just because they paid an upfront cost for the game. I'm looking over at my PS3 right now, and there is a stack of games gathering dust next to it. Some are good games, some are not. The good ones got played the bad ones didn't. The companies that sold me garbage games only did it once, the ones who made quality products got my business again. If you think people would have been paying money between 1.0-1.7 to try and keep up with the joneses after paying for a boxed game that stunk then I want some of whatever you are smoking.
I think the FTP micro transaction, patch model is the future of all games.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1299
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:05:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I think the FTP micro transaction, patch model is the future of all games.
Of course it is, which is why we have a weekly cap and never got the SP rollover we were promised.
It is also why CCP kept drastically altering the meta, because it promoted booster sales.
Having parts of your SP get invalidated as CCP swings the nerf bat is part and parcel of Dust. If people can't accept that, they should find a game made by a better company.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4160
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:10:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I think the FTP micro transaction, patch model is the future of all games.
Of course it is, which is why we have a weekly cap and never got the SP rollover we were promised. It is also why CCP kept drastically altering the meta, because it promoted booster sales. Having parts of your SP get invalidated as CCP swings the nerf bat is part and parcel of Dust. If people can't accept that, they should find a game made by a better company.
I think there is more to do with bad decisions than malicious capitalist greed in the development process personally.
If Rattati had a louder voice a year ago, we'd have a thriving game right now.
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1299
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:11:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
Not boxed. Make it F2P, but allow SP to be purchased.
People would have been buying SP like mad.
There was a time back in closed beta when the game actually was P2W.
If CCP had not corrected it then, the game would not have survived coming out of beta.
Slapping a huge P2W sticker on a F2P game is the simplest way of killing it.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
1299
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:17:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I think there is more to do with bad decisions than malicious capitalist greed in the development process personally.
If Rattati had a louder voice a year ago, we'd have a thriving game right now.
I disagree. The problems with the game are fundamental. Rattati is not the be all and end all, in fact many of the ideas being implemented are downright awful. As a big fan of combined arms, the term of Rattati has destroyed that aspect of the game. Not that I blame him for that, as it was already trending towards going to **** once they did the vehicle rework.
Once Uprising went live, the illusion of CCP being able to live up to their promises was broken for people who had no previous experience with CCP. If the game had any chance to make it, it needed a drastic rework right then. What we got was a stilted attempt at bug fixing that took six months, at which point they essentially killed the game and moved most of the team onto Legion.
CCP gave up in January at the latest. There was never a chance for this game to become a thriving one. It was already dead while CCP was blowing smoke up all of our asses.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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ThePlayerkyle13
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
139
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Posted - 2014.08.09 13:50:00 -
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I see this as a Good Idea, then:
1. CCP won't get pestered by us, filling their forums with Respec Posts
2. CCP would get Extra funds to go into Legion
Err have i missed anything else??? |
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Kyoudai Furinkazan
1042
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Posted - 2014.08.09 14:04:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:
It is an advantage available only to those that pay money.
Jesus, some peoples kids needed to be shaken more vigorously.
I wouldn't pay $h!t for a SP refund , after doing so many things wrong .. CCP is trying to start to do a few things right so why rock that boat ..??.. it's still in the range of the dock and hasn't made it out to sea yet and if they are serious about doing things right they would balance infantry , fix the side arms and then give those who care to , the option of a SP refund by filing a petition ... then the boat would start to navigate going forward to the sea and hopefully we won't address most of the issues that we have had ever again .
Do what's right CCP .
GBN , you know rumor has it that one of those shaken babies became one of the leaders of the world and you seen what happened when that happened .
I'm sure you know who that rumor was about .
Let's not draw attention to who it was , if you know what I mean .
Let's advocate the stopping of shaking of babies , one day it might be the cause of WW 3 . 
You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1226
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Posted - 2014.08.09 14:21:00 -
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I wouldn't pay for a respec and after experiencing Dust I wouldn't give them a dime for anything. It's why I won't play EVE and if Legion isn't free to play then I won't be playing that either. Now if they actually do a good job with Legion I'll reconsider but until then my wallet is closed to CCP.
Kill Scotty
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Thurak1
Psygod9
894
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Posted - 2014.08.09 14:26:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Who else would pay money for a full Skill respec?
Bros, i didnt do any mistakes since last respec, i have exactly what i wanted. But im BORED.
BORED of the same game modes with the same people in the same outfit.
I would LITERALLY PAY YOU CCP, UP to 5-10 bucks just so i an play with other stuff.
If i get bored, I PAY YOU AGAIN!
Man, business doesnt get any sweeter than that....
Personally i think giving ccp any of my money for anything is a mistake at this point. |
Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
304
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Posted - 2014.08.09 15:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Not being P2W is one of the very few things DUST still has going for it.
Let's not change that.
i agree. people with the cash would just pay to be the next FOTM every update :/
now if it was fair and we all got 1 free 1 time only skill respec that i would love cause them i could finally be a fully fledged logibro pushing the team to victory!
> LogiBro in Training
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
304
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Posted - 2014.08.09 15:53:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I wouldn't pay for a respec and after experiencing Dust I wouldn't give them a dime for anything. It's why I won't play EVE and if Legion isn't free to play then I won't be playing that either. Now if they actually do a good job with Legion I'll reconsider but until then my wallet is closed to CCP.
you probably wont play eve cause your scared of being blown up and not thinking with a little foresight
> LogiBro in Training
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1226
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:23:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I wouldn't pay for a respec and after experiencing Dust I wouldn't give them a dime for anything. It's why I won't play EVE and if Legion isn't free to play then I won't be playing that either. Now if they actually do a good job with Legion I'll reconsider but until then my wallet is closed to CCP. you probably wont play eve cause your scared of being blown up and not thinking with a little foresight
Well that was a random insult.
Anyways, I would play EVE if it were free to play. I tried the free trail and actually enjoyed it but my interest in EVE is firmly rooted in the connection it's supposed to have with Dust/Legion. With how badly they fcked up Dust and the connection it was supposed to have; I have no desire to pay to play EVE. Now if Legion comes through with the promises that were made and is FTP so I can experience whether it's good or bad for myself; then if it's good I'll have no problem spending money on it and EVE.
Kill Scotty
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Zindorak
1.U.P
281
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:27:00 -
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A free respec would be nice so i can put lots of SP in Electronic and Engineering to max em out
Pokemon master
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5715
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Not being P2W is one of the very few things DUST still has going for it.
Let's not change that.
My argument:
A full SP respec is not a ''Pay to win''.Im not paying to have any advantage over my foe that i dont already posess. I just , want to play with other stuff without having to play every day until i cap and still be at it for months....
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5715
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:22:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Why would anyone still throw money at this game in it's current state?
For the same reason anyone here pays for other /new games: To have fun.
PEOPLE PEOPLE STOP fighting, this is not a thread for pro or anti- Respec arguments. I asked a question ,didnt ask for a discussion. TY.
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5715
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:24:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:
CCP sells you a respec. You no longer need to buy boosters.
Boosters for people under 25-30 mill, Respecs for people with 35+.
Tada! now you have something both vets and newbs want...
....at least CCP would SELL something, cuz i know im not going to buy any more boosters ever again...
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5715
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:27:00 -
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Enlightend King wrote:Why not instead a One-per-profile respec so full protoes don't get good things over and over against weak blueberries that barely have started the game. Also, why not incorporate a tiered battle option on which you get to restrict what Vehicle/clone items can spawn in such as MLT-STD, STD-STD, ADV-STD, PRO-ADV, and PRO-PRO so its no longer unfair for new people to get killed by full proto corps squads?
Because NEW people and weaklings are not an issue of importance at this point.
IT was IMPORTANT when dust came out, maybe after a Year...but now?
CCP failed with the new player experience and NOW is not the time to start to think how to attract new players but more how to KEEP the ones thay have,.
This IN TIME, will attract players again,as they will see Dust has a solid playerbase after all these years....
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
319
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:43:00 -
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Zindorak wrote:A free respec would be nice so i can put lots of SP in Electronic and Engineering to max em out
I've been playing for 165 days and my Electronics and Engineering along with all my other core skills are maxed.
What stopped you from doing the same?
You can't fix stupid.
NO TO RESPECS.
Wisdom is what you gain after you need it.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
410
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Posted - 2014.08.09 22:53:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Zindorak wrote:A free respec would be nice so i can put lots of SP in Electronic and Engineering to max em out I've been playing for 165 days and my Electronics and Engineering along with all my other core skills are maxed. What stopped you from doing the same? You can't fix stupid. NO TO RESPECS.
I recently relised that the electronics and engineering added CPU and PG
Pokemon master
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
4191
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Posted - 2014.08.09 23:02:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Zindorak wrote:A free respec would be nice so i can put lots of SP in Electronic and Engineering to max em out I've been playing for 165 days and my Electronics and Engineering along with all my other core skills are maxed. What stopped you from doing the same? You can't fix stupid. NO TO RESPECS.
Reading your post and then your sig over and over again and beginning to understand why there are so many problems in this world
Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet
PSN: wbrom42
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el OPERATOR
Capital Acquisitions LLC
General Tso's Alliance
261
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Posted - 2014.08.09 23:19:00 -
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If you have money to burn giving it to CCP buy some AUR, get some boosters and put your newly increased rate SP into what it is you want, at the regular (albeit boosted) rate. Since this isn't about wanting to skill FOTM at whim.
Open-Beta Vet.
Drunk Night Tree Burner.
This is my Main and Original.
DUST514 is WARFARE, not WAR-FAIR.
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Zindorak
1.U.P
419
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Posted - 2014.08.09 23:25:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Zindorak wrote:A free respec would be nice so i can put lots of SP in Electronic and Engineering to max em out I've been playing for 165 days and my Electronics and Engineering along with all my other core skills are maxed. What stopped you from doing the same? You can't fix stupid. NO TO RESPECS. Reading your post and then your sig over and over again and beginning to understand why there are so many problems in this world
lolololololololol. Im dying of laughter
Pokemon master
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iliel
0uter.Heaven
87
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Posted - 2014.08.10 01:02:00 -
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I don't understand. What does fit of the month mean?
If it means what everyone picks because it looks cool, then why does it bother anyone that others have chosen it?
If it means what everyone picks because it is better than everything else, then how are there counters to every suit in this game?
As far as I can tell, FOTM chasers are people who like killing with different weapons on different suits whereas anti-FOTM chasers are people who like being killed by the same weapon on the same suit. |
J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
618
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Posted - 2014.08.10 01:21:00 -
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I like the idea of real money for respecs, but that there is a penalty attached -- reduction to lifetime SP, or something. If this isn't possible, then I think partial respecs would be good -- make them cost prohibitive, but low enough that you could try different classes/playstyles. It keeps the game fresh for vets -- if I want to see what it's like to be a sniper, I can pay for a partial respec to skill into that suit/weapon/modules I need.
As long as there are penalties to respecs to make them unappealing unless you really want to try something, I think they would be a good thing. Certainly an additional source of income for CCP, which is not a bad thing either.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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bamboo x
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
774
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Posted - 2014.08.10 01:26:00 -
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Wouldn't get much out of it, TBH I don't need one.
PANDA UZIMAKI and SOGZ PANDA tried to eat me... i said no homo
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J4yne C0bb
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
618
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Posted - 2014.08.10 01:28:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:I also think all players should get them at SP milestones. Say every 10 mil SP, up to 50 mil SP (after this point you likely have upgrades maxed and multiple proto suits/weapons).
I like this idea a lot, actually. Allows you to fix honest mistakes, but prevents jumping on the band wagon every hotfix/build, since the milestones are far enough apart.
Min Logi | aka Punch R0ckgroin, fatman
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Thurak1
Psygod9
903
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:59:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Atiim wrote:Not being P2W is one of the very few things DUST still has going for it.
Let's not change that. i agree. people with the cash would just pay to be the next FOTM every update :/ now if it was fair and we all got 1 free 1 time only skill respec that i would love cause them i could finally be a fully fledged logibro pushing the team to victory!
Please you say that as though people dont already have millions of unspent sp sitting in their pool.
No respec because FOTM chasing is silly people already use sp on fotm all the time and have been for a long time.
If anything allowing respecs would give ccp more data on what fittings are heavily prefered and thus likely to be op.
I myself just speced into hacking 5 simply because i had the sp. I primarily play a heavy not exactly a role that worries about hack speed. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
903
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:02:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:
CCP sells you a respec. You no longer need to buy boosters.
Boosters for people under 25-30 mill, Respecs for people with 35+.Tada! now you have something both vets and newbs want... ....at least CCP would SELL something, cuz i know im not going to buy any more boosters ever again...
I think its funny when i see people using aurum weapons myself.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
5750
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Posted - 2014.08.11 03:03:00 -
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Respecs = fun
The best Damage mod is a HEADSHOT....
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VALCORE72
Vengeance Unbound
Dark Taboo
193
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Posted - 2014.08.11 06:43:00 -
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technical booster offer a unfair advantage as well. if they took out boosters and added the repec token for the same amount ccp would make more cash that way in the long run |
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