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GeneralButtNaked
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:03:00 -
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Ops Fox wrote:
Please explain how that is in anyway pay to win?
It is an advantage available only to those that pay money.
Jesus, some peoples kids needed to be shaken more vigorously.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:12:00 -
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Clone D wrote:[quote=Atiim]
Respecs are in order any time ANY tweak is applied to the skill system.
Respec with every patch?
Someone give this guy the shaking the OP deserved.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:26:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
Regardless of how people pay, either with their time or with their money, any person deserves the right to choose which he/she wants to trade in order to progress in the game.
No.
No person playing a video game has a right to determine how they play. It is a form of entertainment, not a right. That you think this is some basic problem regarding human equity instead of you being a bored kid about your toys is a massive strike against whatever school system educated you.
Why does there have to be shortcuts? Why can there not be a grindy section of the game, only reached through playtime? If some players cannot reach that area because they lack the time or energy, there is nothing wrong with that, so long as the rest of the game still has content.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:31:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
A lot of people don't have superfluous portions of SP. Imagine a beginner who spent their SP speccing into one skill and they were using it to their advantage, and subsequent to a skill tweak, they can no longer leverage that skill.
To a person with 40 million lifetime SP and with 3 million unallocated SP laying around, what do they care if a skillset gets nerfed? But to a person with <10 million SP, it is a huge deal.
Not to mention the whole bait and switch argument.
A lot of people?
There is a TINY group of people playing this game. Most of you have been around long enough. The game is dead, and making changes to cater to the last vestige of 'tards who didn't know when to put the controller down is not in the interests of CCP.
There are people out there with Flaylock proficiency 5. Let them keep it forever, as a mark that once, when the game had a chance of life, they chased the FOTM.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:34:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
Sorry. This is the kind of thinking that caused the Dust 514 business model to FAIL.
We have money. We want to pay. You're just not selling us what we want.
CCP sells you a respec. You no longer need to buy boosters.
You paying to shortcut the grind would drive away more players than your wallet would replace once to purchased your one respec.
Yes, CCP could have been cashing in on players as we went through the ridiculous swings of balance between 1.0 and 1.7. Can you imagine how fast the game would have died if right after every patch the PC players all had to respec to the current FOTM?
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:47:00 -
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Clone D wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:There are people out there with Flaylock proficiency 5. Let them keep it forever, as a mark that once, when the game had a chance of life, they chased the FOTM. The way that the skill tree is being run is despotic. I advocate freedom and liberating the players from a tyrannical mentality and subsequently a lifeless prison system of agony.
So then you don't want to play a F2P game.
There are tons of other options out there. Clearly the business model that CCP has chosen for dust is not one which you like.
The choice is not if CCP will bend to your will, but if you will make the choice to find a product that suits your needs or complain about playing one that doesn't.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 11:53:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
Market value for a game runs at about $60, right. If SP were purchasable, I bet a slew of new players would pay their $60 to make some progress in the skill tree. Then, the fact that they spent some money on the game would keep them playing. Then they would want more stuff and gradually spend more money to skip ahead as time progresses. This game could have been a cash cow.
Myopia killed this game.
Dust was never worth 60.
If it had been a boxed game on a shelf it never would have gotten off the ground. The reason why Dust ever had as many people as it did was because of people having hope that CCP would bring their vision to fruition.
You think people would continue to throw good money after bad just because they paid an upfront cost for the game.
I'm looking over at my PS3 right now, and there is a stack of games gathering dust next to it. Some are good games, some are not. The good ones got played the bad ones didn't. The companies that sold me garbage games only did it once, the ones who made quality products got my business again.
If you think people would have been paying money between 1.0-1.7 to try and keep up with the joneses after paying for a boxed game that stunk then I want some of whatever you are smoking.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:05:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:
I think the FTP micro transaction, patch model is the future of all games.
Of course it is, which is why we have a weekly cap and never got the SP rollover we were promised.
It is also why CCP kept drastically altering the meta, because it promoted booster sales.
Having parts of your SP get invalidated as CCP swings the nerf bat is part and parcel of Dust. If people can't accept that, they should find a game made by a better company.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:11:00 -
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Clone D wrote:
Not boxed. Make it F2P, but allow SP to be purchased.
People would have been buying SP like mad.
There was a time back in closed beta when the game actually was P2W.
If CCP had not corrected it then, the game would not have survived coming out of beta.
Slapping a huge P2W sticker on a F2P game is the simplest way of killing it.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.09 12:17:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think there is more to do with bad decisions than malicious capitalist greed in the development process personally.
If Rattati had a louder voice a year ago, we'd have a thriving game right now.
I disagree. The problems with the game are fundamental. Rattati is not the be all and end all, in fact many of the ideas being implemented are downright awful. As a big fan of combined arms, the term of Rattati has destroyed that aspect of the game. Not that I blame him for that, as it was already trending towards going to **** once they did the vehicle rework.
Once Uprising went live, the illusion of CCP being able to live up to their promises was broken for people who had no previous experience with CCP. If the game had any chance to make it, it needed a drastic rework right then. What we got was a stilted attempt at bug fixing that took six months, at which point they essentially killed the game and moved most of the team onto Legion.
CCP gave up in January at the latest. There was never a chance for this game to become a thriving one. It was already dead while CCP was blowing smoke up all of our asses.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
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