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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:10:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand.
Did you ever think that the FW playerbase is tiny because maybe, just maybe, there is missing gear?
Let's put it this way, I have already proven that prototype dropsuits are one of the best items in the loyalty store for their value. And especially because taking a suit from level 3 to level 5 is a huge investment for newer players, prototype suits should be by far the most popular items I imagine (and if not, it's because a lot are missing).
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=169519&find=unread
So what's the problem here? Well, if we say their are 20 prototype suits in the game (Scout, Assault, Logistics, Commando, Sentinel for each race), then we are missing 8 of those suits (Commando and Sentinel for Gallente, Caldari, and Minmatar and Scout for Caldari and Amarr). That is 40% missing!
So what happens to all those players who prefer those suits? They probably don't want to play FW because it doesn't benefit them much. And even when their buddies get on who use a suit available in FW, they will likely try to convince them not to play FW while they are in a squad together so since FW doesn't benefit one of them.
CCP Rattati, if you are going to blame the tiny FW playerbase, at least make an attempt to fix it in a way that's meaningful to everyone, and giving 3x the LP still doesn't mean squat if you use one of those suits in the 40% of the suits. I mean, it would be like when the laser rifle had an iron sight and CCP says, "There is a tiny playerbase using this weapon so let's not waste resources trying to improve it."
Not trying to rant on you, but the very least you can do is add those 8 sets of suits (only 8! How much time could that be?) in the LP market before declaring anything. I fear that if this 3x LP doesn't increase the FW playerbase then FW will pretty much be dead from all future hotfixes (or at least ones anytime soon).
Amarr are the good guys
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Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
763
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:24:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:
So what happens to all those players who prefer those suits? They probably don't want to play FW because it doesn't benefit them much. And even when their buddies get on who use a suit available in FW, they will likely try to convince them not to play FW while they are in a squad together so since FW doesn't benefit one of them.
I personally love FW, but this is one of the main reasons I don't get to play it very often. I can never get buddies to play it with me because, "they don't have my **** in there."
O.G. Pink Fluffy Bunny
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Aero Yassavi
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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
8963
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:29:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:
So what happens to all those players who prefer those suits? They probably don't want to play FW because it doesn't benefit them much. And even when their buddies get on who use a suit available in FW, they will likely try to convince them not to play FW while they are in a squad together so since FW doesn't benefit one of them.
I personally love FW, but this is one of the main reasons I don't get to play it very often. I can never get buddies to play it with me because, "they don't have my **** in there."
First comment supports my case 
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Logi Bro
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
3174
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:49:00 -
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I can definitely agree with this post, I've always wanted to buy min sentinels off the store, but they haven't bothered to give me any to buy. Also, where's my specialty repair tool? All I can get is one that is identical to PRO repair tools.
I might be tempted to play again with the increased LP payouts, but there are only a few things I'd even use.
SP Sinks? Fixed.
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
508
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:51:00 -
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I would like a digital camo scout ck.0 very much 
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.07 17:52:00 -
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I honestly don't think low FW participation is just because not everything you want is in the LP store.
I can't see it taking that much time to add them, though.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Aero Yassavi
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Posted - 2014.08.07 20:51:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I honestly don't think low FW participation is just because not everything you want is in the LP store.
I can't see it taking that much time to add them, though.
I'd say there's 3, or maybe 4, factors. Here they are, from my opinion, with the most important at the top
1. Missing gear. At least have all suits if nothing else, as these are the biggest part of any fitting. There's only 8 suits missing, so come on!
2. Poor LP payout. Getting addressed in Charlie.
3. Lack of game mode diversity.
4. Unbalanced matches, though that is just the nature of a more competitive scene.
You can't fix something lower on the list and expect to see healthier FW participation without fixing everything higher on the list first. So CCP is fixing the poor LP payout, but if you are a Gallente, Caldari, or Minmatar Commando/Sentinel or Amarr or Caldari Scout, what good does the extra LP do for you?
Again I'm not asking for much, just add in the remaining 8 dropsuit classes to the LP stores at first. Shouldn't be too much work. If adding those 8 suit classes and increased LP payouts then bring higher FW participation, work on adding in everything else.
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Arcturis Vanguard
Murphys-Law
232
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:03:00 -
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I would even go so far as.to.say that the suits don't need special paint design, for now. They can look like current models just with the reduced isk cost with LP. I would easily do more caldari FW if my scout suit was available. I mostly play amarr for the links, that's it.
Amarr Heavy V
Amarr Assault V
Caldari Scout V
Caldari logistic IV
Prof V HMG & FORGE
Prof IV CR, SMG
Prof III ScR
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True Adamance
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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:18:00 -
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I also wish to make a post of similar nature regarding vehicles.
All LP bought vehicles are being restricted to Gallente and Caldari FW's.
If you are a vehicle operator you are forced to grind in Cal and Gal FW for those HAV...... now as I have said before the semi competitive state of FW means you lose HAV significantly more often......
Basically I will now being paying 2x HAV to buy one more HAV which is not better or different than the two I lost.
TL;DR
-Vehicle Users have no place in FW
-Costs are too high for no noticeable benefits
- More than 50% of vehicle content missing as Dropships and LAV cannot be bought
- Purchased Vehicles are not special
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2462
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:24:00 -
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If we get pythons in the lp store I just might help our friendly "master race" with FW until we get amarrian vehicles
Put these items in legion as they will add diversity to vehicles as they did before!
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3827
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:26:00 -
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Right on the nail Aero!
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
821
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:39:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Are you serious, prioritizing limited resources is the most important aspects of the Hotfixes. Adding LP items for a tiny FW playerbase over doing something better for the majority. Not really difficult to understand.
FW is the only game mode left that is worth playing in this game and also represents potential extra income for you in the form of boosters. Making higher level things available to newer players sooner also would likely help in balancing and general new player retention.
The first reason FW has a small player base is being fixed (thank you for that) but the fact still stands that missing items drive a large part of the player base away and the ones that do run it can hardly piece together a full fitting. Committing one hotfix cycle to filling in the inventory is only going to help things down the road.
If you actually believe that growing the LP store and in turn FW as a whole does not help the majority you are thinking in a very small way.
FW was meant to be an ISK sink and now that the idea of an economy is in the trash you do not care about it. Lets take that not caring and make it easier since the designers are busy making things for Legion.
Step 1 Highlight Aurum Items of the same type.
Step 2 press ctrl+c
Step 3 open LP store inventory and press ctrl+v |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7067
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:46:00 -
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I'm sitting on 73,439 Federal Marine LP.
Give me something to burn it on please.
see you space cowboy...
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2463
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:49:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm sitting on 73,439 Federal Marine LP.
Give me something to burn it on please.
Bro do you even fed maddy?
Or do you even fed ion cannon?
Put these items in legion as they will add diversity to vehicles as they did before!
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
1217
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:51:00 -
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The FW player base is tiny because it takes too damn long to get into a match.
Kill Scotty
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Sir Snugglz
Red Star.
EoN.
864
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:52:00 -
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The day I start playing FW again is the day they add the State ADS on the market
-Pro AFKing LVL 5
-Luck is just one of my skills
-Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
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Soulja Ghostface
MCDUSTDONALDS
Top Men.
2463
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:54:00 -
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Sir Snugglz wrote:The day I start playing FW again is the day they add the State ADS on the market
Put these items in legion as they will add diversity to vehicles as they did before!
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7067
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:55:00 -
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Soulja Ghostface wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm sitting on 73,439 Federal Marine LP.
Give me something to burn it on please. Bro do you even fed maddy? Or do you even fed ion cannon?
I Federation Specialist Duvolle.
That's about it.
see you space cowboy...
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upside down poster
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:56:00 -
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
822
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:57:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:The FW player base is tiny because it takes too damn long to get into a match.
That should be solved by the increased LP payouts but chances are these will be AFKers looking for easy proto suits and capping out. |
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deezy dabest
IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:58:00 -
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upside down poster wrote:-Ö+¦¦¥+öߦë+ƒ+ƒo -ìol¦¥q -çnq o-ço+¦d ¦¥-îoq+É +¦¦¥ß¦ë-ç +É ¦¥q o-ç sp¦¥¦¥u +¦+ɦ¥¦â l+Éuoߦë-ç+ö+É+ƒ '¦¥- ¦¥-Pߦël -ç+É+Ñ-ç -Puߦë+Ñ-ç I
+1
This made me laugh as well as being a good point.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
2820
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Posted - 2014.08.07 22:00:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:I would like a digital camo scout ck.0 very much
Same for my Gk.0.
It would've been great to see custom paintjobs for loyalty gear so that you can tell them apart from the AUR ones. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 22:13:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:upside down poster wrote:-Ö+¦¦¥+öߦë+ƒ+ƒo -ìol¦¥q -çnq o-ço+¦d ¦¥-îoq+É +¦¦¥ß¦ë-ç +É ¦¥q o-ç sp¦¥¦¥u +¦+ɦ¥¦â l+Éuoߦë-ç+ö+É+ƒ '¦¥- ¦¥-Pߦël -ç+É+Ñ-ç -Puߦë+Ñ-ç I +1 This made me laugh as well as being a good point.
But its not better than T2 gear in many cases. Factional Gear is rarely better than that..... only certain occasions or specific modules actually yield better results, only by 1-2%, which only tend to matter on ships cruiser size or above.....
What makes FW gear special in EVE is that it is content that can only originate from the LP stores, aka the LP ships are slightly better ships with stronger damage and range bonuses..... Imperial Heat Sinks, Federations Navy Hobgoblins, etc, etc are slightly better incarnations than their counter parts.....
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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sabre prime
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
333
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Posted - 2014.08.07 22:15:00 -
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Leave it for legion.*
*Sign hanging in CCP office
Desperate attempt to get BPOs
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7067
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:29:00 -
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sabre prime wrote:Leave it for legion.*
*Sign hanging in CCP office
They also have another sign that says "Blame it on the PS3"
see you space cowboy...
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True Adamance
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Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:31:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:sabre prime wrote:Leave it for legion.*
*Sign hanging in CCP office They also have another sign that says "Blame it on the PS3"
Alongside "Laser Focused on Dust"
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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jenza aranda
BetaMax.
3483
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:sabre prime wrote:Leave it for legion.*
*Sign hanging in CCP office They also have another sign that says "Blame it on the PS3" Alongside "Laser Focused on Dust"
dont worry. I made it clear at fanfest that they are never to use the term "laser focused" again.
Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
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castba
Merc-0107
549
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:48:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
But its not better than T2 gear in many cases. Factional Gear is rarely better than that..... only certain occasions or specific modules actually yield better results, only by 1-2%, which only tend to matter on ships cruiser size or above.....
What makes FW gear special in EVE is that it is content that can only originate from the LP stores, aka the LP ships are slightly better ships with stronger damage and range bonuses..... Imperial Heat Sinks, Federations Navy Hobgoblins, etc, etc are slightly better incarnations than their counter parts.....
That would be nice.
Add missing suits and adjust bonuses +1% (so 6% heat build up per level on FW AmAss instead of 5% on normal AmAss for example) |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:48:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:sabre prime wrote:Leave it for legion.*
*Sign hanging in CCP office They also have another sign that says "Blame it on the PS3" Alongside "Laser Focused on Dust" dont worry. I made it clear at fanfest that they are never to use the term "laser focused" again.
Well at least that's positive news...............
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:50:00 -
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castba wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But its not better than T2 gear in many cases. Factional Gear is rarely better than that..... only certain occasions or specific modules actually yield better results, only by 1-2%, which only tend to matter on ships cruiser size or above.....
What makes FW gear special in EVE is that it is content that can only originate from the LP stores, aka the LP ships are slightly better ships with stronger damage and range bonuses..... Imperial Heat Sinks, Federations Navy Hobgoblins, etc, etc are slightly better incarnations than their counter parts.....
That would be nice. Add missing suits and adjust bonuses +1% (so 6% heat build up per level on FW AmAss instead of 5% on normal AmAss for example)
Yeah thats the sort of thing that can be done.
Decreased fall off values for racial weapons, more ammo, etc small increases in values.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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