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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:50:00 -
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jenza aranda wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:sabre prime wrote:Leave it for legion.*
*Sign hanging in CCP office They also have another sign that says "Blame it on the PS3" Alongside "Laser Focused on Dust" dont worry. I made it clear at fanfest that they are never to use the term "laser focused" again.
Your name looks funny without a white tag.
This is how a minja feels
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:55:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I honestly don't think low FW participation is just because not everything you want is in the LP store.
I can't see it taking that much time to add them, though.
Yes I agree. I believe it has nothing to do with the LP store at all. It's just convenient to say so for a argumentative point, no offense to Aero at all. I believe the truth is much more bitter and requires a look in the mirror.
There are so many things that failed the FW.
For one, the thing about fighting for districts that would quickly be reclaimed in the matter of minutes.
But to me, the biggest thing that hasn't been properly acknowledged is that FW was basically PC elite meets the Pubs.
Caldari and Amarr faced this tragedy. Elite corporations queued up in Gal and Minimatar and wrecked face. They wrecked face HARD. I can only speak from the Cal side because I was heavily involved with trying to align people together and work to better the stormfront.
Everybody wanted to be a chief without realizing somebody had to be the indians. It was a mess. Unorganized Cal players ran into the likes of TeamPlayers and others and when faced with this stiff, brutal competition, they ran. The comm channels were poorly handled and the FCs were lacking. Shout out to Mike Ruan for the doing the best he could in the war effort.
After constantly getting steamrolled, people just threw their hands up and left. You couple that with LP points instead of ISK and it became a non profitable expenditure that hurt wallet and pride.
To me, that lead to the downfall of FW. I couldn't tell you how I read the FW comm in utter shame. Spies galore. People in the comm channel inviting anybody to it. Folks "lfs" for Gallente in a Caldari FW comm-it was all around bad.
Just to be clear, this post isn't a rant, just a honest observation that lead to the downfall of FW.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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jenza aranda
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2014.08.08 00:12:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:jenza aranda wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:sabre prime wrote:Leave it for legion.*
*Sign hanging in CCP office They also have another sign that says "Blame it on the PS3" Alongside "Laser Focused on Dust" dont worry. I made it clear at fanfest that they are never to use the term "laser focused" again. Your name looks funny without a white tag.
Its liberating, i assure you!
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I-Shayz-I
I----------I
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Posted - 2014.08.08 00:31:00 -
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I'd rather they work on getting everything balanced before they focus on FW.
As a strong supporter of Legion, I still want to see a working FW system here in Dust to be translated to Legion with hardly any flaws.
That said, I feel that we need to get this "small community" together at some point to discuss the steps needed to fix FW. Then we can focus on one point at a time to propose the best options for each fix.
For example,
-A spreadsheet of the "bare minimum", "wanted", and "all" items that are missing from the FW market
-Our opinion on LP and isk values for items in the market
-Ways to encourage players to join FW matches instead of public contracts
Is there anyone on the CPM who would be interested in working with us on this? Would a separate section on the forums help (or should we raid one of the "dead" sections such as one of the random map feedback threads lol)
Can we get a skype group together to meet weekly to come to agreements on certain subjects?
Instead of just talking about it, let's take action.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.08 01:04:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Soulja Ghostface wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm sitting on 73,439 Federal Marine LP.
Give me something to burn it on please. Bro do you even fed maddy? Or do you even fed ion cannon? I Federation Specialist Duvolle. That's about it.
Dude, it is all about the Federation Specialist Allotek Plasma Cannon.
I've got 80 some fed special CreoDrons, only about 5 Fed Special Duvolles, and I need more than my 20 Fed Special Allotek
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.08 01:04:00 -
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To be honest. I see more Q'syncs for Caldari than anything
and it's the higher tier corps fighting for Caldari.
But on the flip side Outer Haven, Nyain San and the like can't be present for every match and Blueberry Gallente Players are immensely better than Blueberry Caldari FW players.
see you space cowboy...
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12701
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Posted - 2014.08.08 01:33:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I honestly don't think low FW participation is just because not everything you want is in the LP store.
I can't see it taking that much time to add them, though. Yes I agree. I believe it has nothing to do with the LP store at all. It's just convenient to say so for a argumentative point, no offense to Aero at all. I believe the truth is much more bitter and requires a look in the mirror. There are so many things that failed the FW. For one, the thing about fighting for districts that would quickly be reclaimed in the matter of minutes. But to me, the biggest thing that hasn't been properly acknowledged is that FW was basically PC elite meets the Pubs. Caldari and Amarr faced this tragedy. Elite corporations queued up in Gal and Minimatar and wrecked face. They wrecked face HARD. I can only speak from the Cal side because I was heavily involved with trying to align people together and work to better the stormfront. Everybody wanted to be a chief without realizing somebody had to be the indians. It was a mess. Unorganized Cal players ran into the likes of TeamPlayers and others and when faced with this stiff, brutal competition, they ran. The comm channels were poorly handled and the FCs were lacking. Shout out to Mike Ruan for the doing the best he could in the war effort. After constantly getting steamrolled, people just threw their hands up and left. You couple that with LP points instead of ISK and it became a non profitable expenditure that hurt wallet and pride. To me, that lead to the downfall of FW. I couldn't tell you how I read the FW comm in utter shame. Spies galore. People in the comm channel inviting anybody to it. Folks "lfs" for Gallente in a Caldari FW comm-it was all around bad. Just to be clear, this post isn't a rant, just a honest observation that lead to the downfall of FW.
Hmm I distinctly remember the support of Team Players, AE, Fatal Absolution, etc during the Junip Crusade.... but like you said it was impossible to keep them around and fighting for your factions.
But like we found back in the early days of FW.... high tier/ large and more well manned corps could and would run up against strong competition...... and there was so much competiton.
I smacked talked the Min Militia until the got organised and whupped out asses with the help of STB and Restless Spirits...not to mention Prima Gallicus and Cybedyne.
NAO smack talked the Amarr Militia. We organised round the clock FW matches, then made contact/ were made in contact by Cubs, AE, and a bunch of other Amarr FWers in a single channel.
We flipped the warzone in 2 day and held it for another 6 weeks.
We arrogantly smack talked NAO again and they joined WINMATAR and took back the warzone.
ETC..... the desire to compete has left the WZ and is being replaced by a farmers paradise.
"We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:I honestly don't think low FW participation is just because not everything you want is in the LP store.
I can't see it taking that much time to add them, though. Yes I agree. I believe it has nothing to do with the LP store at all. It's just convenient to say so for a argumentative point, no offense to Aero at all. I believe the truth is much more bitter and requires a look in the mirror. There are so many things that failed the FW. For one, the thing about fighting for districts that would quickly be reclaimed in the matter of minutes. But to me, the biggest thing that hasn't been properly acknowledged is that FW was basically PC elite meets the Pubs. Caldari and Amarr faced this tragedy. Elite corporations queued up in Gal and Minimatar and wrecked face. They wrecked face HARD. I can only speak from the Cal side because I was heavily involved with trying to align people together and work to better the stormfront. Everybody wanted to be a chief without realizing somebody had to be the indians. It was a mess. Unorganized Cal players ran into the likes of TeamPlayers and others and when faced with this stiff, brutal competition, they ran. The comm channels were poorly handled and the FCs were lacking. Shout out to Mike Ruan for the doing the best he could in the war effort. After constantly getting steamrolled, people just threw their hands up and left. You couple that with LP points instead of ISK and it became a non profitable expenditure that hurt wallet and pride. To me, that lead to the downfall of FW. I couldn't tell you how I read the FW comm in utter shame. Spies galore. People in the comm channel inviting anybody to it. Folks "lfs" for Gallente in a Caldari FW comm-it was all around bad. Just to be clear, this post isn't a rant, just a honest observation that lead to the downfall of FW. Hmm I distinctly remember the support of Team Players, AE, Fatal Absolution, etc during the Junip Crusade.... but like you said it was impossible to keep them around and fighting for your factions. But like we found back in the early days of FW.... high tier/ large and more well manned corps could and would run up against strong competition...... and there was so much competiton. I smacked talked the Min Militia until the got organised and whupped out asses with the help of STB and Restless Spirits...not to mention Prima Gallicus and Cybedyne. NAO smack talked the Amarr Militia. We organised round the clock FW matches, then made contact/ were made in contact by Cubs, AE, and a bunch of other Amarr FWers in a single channel. We flipped the warzone in 2 day and held it for another 6 weeks. We arrogantly smack talked NAO again and they joined WINMATAR and took back the warzone. ETC..... the desire to compete has left the WZ and is being replaced by a farmers paradise.
Copy that.
I saw better organization on the Amarr side. Back then, people picked Gal just to troll Cal players because they knew they would give up easily.
And that pains me to even say that. I have to remember to unclench my teeth.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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