DUST Search - I'm officially done with this game. Sentinel stealth nerf.

Jack 3enimble wrote:

OP FOTM wrote:

Pokey Dravon wrote:

Yep. Sentinels also have one of the lowest required training requirements in the game, as they have no need to train any equipment or EWAR whatsoever. So yeah, put some SP into that fitting optimization.

I'd argue that role now belongs to the Assault.

And you'd be wrong if you took the time to realize we need BOTH HMGs and FGs. That's almost 3 million to get each to proficiency 5, another million for each of the 3 weapon related skills that we NEED.

You're fine with one light weapon. You don't need that ******* proto cloak. You don't need remotes. You don't need equipment if you're not a Logi. You don't need all 3 of the EWAR skills. You don't need both kin cats and cardiacs, one of the two will do fine.

******* assholes... All of you people are sickening...

How is a assault fine with 1 light weapon dumbass, you need that FG to AV. We need SL to do that. So that makes 2 light weapons minimum, just like you need your 2 heavy weapons to play your roles. Also we need uplinks or hives or needle etc. to play our role. Fitting a sentinel is easier than fitting a assault. You know it, but can't admit it. That is sickening.

I respect every role, but you sir are bad reflection on the heavy community.

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OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 328	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:03:00 - [91] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Shall I do the math for you on how much SP is required to get 4 equipment for proto? See how the Logi's feel? Or will you continue on your self pity? I am a logi with every single piece of equipment proto you pompous ass. Enough. I'll let you all wallow in your own filth that moment when you realize the countless nights you've spent on the game or the forum were your fault, having no life
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2676	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:03:00 - [92] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Shall I do the math for you on how much SP is required to get 4 equipment for proto? See how the Logi's feel? Or will you continue on your self pity? I am a logi with every single piece of equipment proto you pompous ass. Enough. I'll let you all wallow in your own filth Oh then why didn't you cry about training all of that? Yet you cry about fitting optimization for a heavy?
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 973	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:08:00 - [93] - Quote Will Driver wrote: Heavy tears ... oh my. If you are top of the leaderboard every game, then you deserve a nerf. That OP suit you enjoy so much causes a lot of frustration for others, so some nerfing seems appropriate to me. Of course no one likes their OPness to be nerfed, but it's better in the long run for the community. I'm a Swarmer, no one knows nerfs better than me. And I also have weapon fitting optimization to 5 in Swarms and 4 I think in the CR, so why should Heavies be excused from having to skill into these to maximize their suits? While they Heavy changes may be a hard pill to swallow (I also have an Adv. Sentinel, BTW), I would like to play with the changes before rushing to judgment. I don't agree with OP's post at all. Needing to skill into something more is not a problem. If you didn't have to skill into something still you would leave this game because there was nothing left to achieve. However, while I too want to wait to see the outcome of these changes, I also can't help but feel the (unmentioned changes so far) of reduced range + buildup heat is too much at once. CCP has been notorious about these multiple tweaks that squish a role into a pancake. SL needed a nerf. As a proto user for well over a year, they were actually in a great place this last patch. I'm uncertain but not super disappointed about their changes in these notes now. I don't get all this heavy hate on the forums. Heavies were not hard to kill. They are constantly engaged in their area of expertise head on and people are crying about it left and right. I can't tell you how many heavies I've killed at range where their cone couldn't reach me, and I'm not even a good shot. Knights of Ender Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 328	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:09:00 - [94] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Oh then why didn't you cry about training all of that? Yet you cry about fitting optimization for a heavy? i've spent far less SP on the logi far less that moment when you realize the countless nights you've spent on the game or the forum were your fault, having no life
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 132	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:12:00 - [95] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Yep. Sentinels also have one of the lowest required training requirements in the game, as they have no need to train any equipment or EWAR whatsoever. So yeah, put some SP into that fitting optimization. I'd argue that role now belongs to the Assault. And you'd be wrong if you took the time to realize we need BOTH HMGs and FGs. That's almost 3 million to get each to proficiency 5, another million for each of the 3 weapon related skills that we NEED. You're fine with one light weapon. You don't need that ***** proto cloak. You don't need remotes. You don't need equipment if you're not a Logi. You don't need all 3 of the EWAR skills. You don't need both kin cats and cardiacs, one of the two will do fine. ***** assholes... All of you people are sickening... How is a assault fine with 1 light weapon dumbass, you need that FG to AV. We need SL to do that. So that makes 2 light weapons minimum, just like you need your 2 heavy weapons to play your roles. Also we need uplinks or hives or needle etc. to play our role. Fitting a sentinel is easier than fitting a assault. You know it, but can't admit it. That is sickening. I respect every role, but you sir are bad reflection on the heavy community.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2676	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:14:00 - [96] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Oh then why didn't you cry about training all of that? Yet you cry about fitting optimization for a heavy? i've spent far less SP on the logi far less Alrighty then, gimme a moment here to calc out exactly how much it takes to fit one of each role, assuming max stats, 2 heavy weapons for the sentinel, 4 equipment for the logi, and a full gambit of defenses.
Nirwanda Vaughns 426th Infantry 660	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:33:00 - [97] - Quote when you can fully proto fit a militia suit and still have pg/cpu left over even with average skills then somehting needs to be done. now it'll take a few extra fittign skills to fit a heavy out not just fully proto it and run around laughing. no other suits can have a fully proto fit and still have 1500+ hp and deal a great amount of damage. the suits are getting nicely balanced for once in terms of slots and pg/cpu and the new amarr slot layout will bring a crazy scary amount of armor hp to the suit. its gonna be a fun old time whenever HFC drops Rolling with the punches
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 220	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:36:00 - [98] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Oh then why didn't you cry about training all of that? Yet you cry about fitting optimization for a heavy? i've spent far less SP on the logi far less Alrighty then, gimme a moment here to calc out exactly how much it takes to fit one of each role, assuming max stats, 2 heavy weapons for the sentinel, 4 equipment for the logi, and a full gambit of defenses. Heavy weapons 5, then 2 proto weapons, compared to... Rep tool, basically mil sp Nanite injectors and hive, basically 1 mil sp Optional, uplink, basically 1 mil sp Soooo idk what crap he's smoking, but I want it baaaad if it screws him up that much. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2676	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:39:00 - [99] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Heavy weapons 5, then 2 proto weapons, compared to... Rep tool, basically mil sp Nanite injectors and hive, basically 1 mil sp Optional, uplink, basically 1 mil sp Soooo idk what crap he's smoking, but I want it baaaad if it screws him up that much. Logistics ~20.2 Million Suit to 5 1 Light Weapon Operation 5/Profency 5/Opimization 5 All Equipment Skills to 5 (Did not include Hacking though it should really be in there) All Armor Skills to 5 (Just did armor for both for unity and simplicity) Core/Engineering/Electronics to 5 Sentinel ~18.1 million Suit to 5 2 Heavy Weapons Operation 5/Proficiency 5/Optimization 5 All Armor Skills to 5 Core/Engineering/Electronics to 5
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:47:00 - [100] - Quote The sentinel stealth struggle is real. The struggle is real.

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2676	Posted - 2014.08.07 17:48:00 - [101] - Quote Granted this is calced from ProtoFits.com, so the SP investment might be a little rough. The addition of a second heavy weapon Operation/Proficiency/Fitting optimization is roughly 4 million right? And you've got Nano/Repair/Uplink/Scan at about 1 million each for the Logi. roughly speaking, the second heavy weapon is similar to the investment of the equipment. So his claim that "ERMERGERD I've invest WAAAAY more in Sentinels than I have Logis" is simply inaccurate. Can it be more? Yes, but the difference is not significant. In fact he's complaining that he doesn't want to train Optimization, meaning that he probably hasn't much much into it, which drops his to-date cost of training Sentinels even more.
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 527	Posted - 2014.08.07 18:25:00 - [102] - Quote My heavy will still dominate as most heavies are **** these days. If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
Boot Booter Murphys-Law 834	Posted - 2014.08.07 18:32:00 - [103] - Quote This is the stupidest thread ever. Surprised you actually have to put thought into what modules and weapons you use? Oh and btw you can still fit full proto with everything maxed. OP you're acting like they ruined your suit while all they did is force you to make decisions (like everyone else) and push heavies to use heavy weapons. I'm sure most people are happy to be rid of full proto fit adv heavies. What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
ASTRAL GiNKx Immortal Guides 0	Posted - 2014.08.07 18:41:00 - [104] - Quote Heavies are getting Nerfed in Hotfix Charlie aren't they?
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1027	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:12:00 - [105] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Yep. Sentinels also have one of the lowest required training requirements in the game, as they have no need to train any equipment or EWAR whatsoever. So yeah, put some SP into that fitting optimization. I'd argue that role now belongs to the Assault. And you'd be wrong if you took the time to realize we need BOTH HMGs and FGs. That's almost 3 million to get each to proficiency 5, another million for each of the 3 weapon related skills that we NEED. You're fine with one light weapon. You don't need that ***** proto cloak. You don't need remotes. You don't need equipment if you're not a Logi. You don't need all 3 of the EWAR skills. You don't need both kin cats and cardiacs, one of the two will do fine. ***** assholes... All of you people are sickening... How is a assault fine with 1 light weapon dumbass, you need that FG to AV. We need SL to do that. So that makes 2 light weapons minimum, just like you need your 2 heavy weapons to play your roles. Also we need uplinks or hives or needle etc. to play our role. Fitting a sentinel is easier than fitting a assault. You know it, but can't admit it. That is sickening. I respect every role, but you sir are bad reflection on the heavy community. The heavy suit needed to be nerfed regarding fitting but I think the changes are too large. A Proto Amarr will be far below what an ADV one is now. If you compare the fitting ease to that of a scout not usung a cloak you will see that, currently, fitting ease is similar, yet heavies get bashed with the nerf bat. Weapon fitting bonus make a tiny difference but not much. I'll wait and see how this works out, it won't kill me to give up heavy even though forge is what I play. I'll switch to swarms, which also got nerfed. Because, that's why.
Dreis Shadowweaver D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 18	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:23:00 - [106] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: lolololololol Japan, staaaaaaahp Well, I once meleed an R.E.... I've only ever known 1.8...
Fizzer XCIV Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2014.08.07 20:24:00 - [107] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: You need to stop assuming things and actually look at the facts. They never said anything about this, this wasn't intended, and their "hotfix notes" don't say anything about it either. I hate people like you who see a mistake and start ** like this. Maybe I'm a little upset I still have to spend 3 million more SP just to be viable on a suit I've already spent 16 million on and thought I was finished with? Do I have the right to that? To be pissed the hard work and money I've spent to work my way to the top of the killboard in every single *** match I play in this game is being undermined again? Or maybe I should completely accept that spending hours of my life waiting for FW matches to queue up so I could get all the way to level 6 Gallente was a worthless waste of time now? Perhaps the 5000 WP orbitals that will be dropped on my head from Ancient Exiles are going to lighten the mood? Seen this too many times to give a anymore. Yup, your suit is getting nerfed because it was deemed OP or some such. It's happened to almost everyone, many times is some cases. Either deal with it, quietly ** off, or cry some more....
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3885	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:21:00 - [108] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12yHt3jDUpz8WVl6hwjXujZq20y-lmN3VIUJObkXxPhw/edit#gid=1477959351 You can kiss my ass goodbye CCP. I'm done with this bullshit. I assure you I'm NOT going to be the only sentinel deeply disturbed by this You can thank me for that. Previously only the cal. sentinel would have beeing hit by the nerf hammer. But then i proudly demonstrated that all heavys except the caldar didnt had to make drawbacks on their fits. That then leaded ratatti to get the omni nerf hammer out to make them equal. Hope you like my influence. They say when you die you see a white light which then forms the line of: "GAME OVER! PLEASE INSERT COIN"
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14664	Posted - 2014.08.07 21:23:00 - [109] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: OP FOTM wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12yHt3jDUpz8WVl6hwjXujZq20y-lmN3VIUJObkXxPhw/edit#gid=1477959351 You can kiss my ass goodbye CCP. I'm done with this bullshit. I assure you I'm NOT going to be the only sentinel deeply disturbed by this You can thank me for that. Previously only the cal. sentinel would have beeing hit by the nerf hammer. But then i proudly demonstrated that all heavys except the caldari had to make drawbacks on their fits. That then leaded ratatti to get the omni nerf hammer out to make them equal. Hope you like my influence. Your influence is akin to a small child with down syndrome leading a river back uphill. Ten Year Plan -
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:03:00 - [110] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: OP FOTM wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12yHt3jDUpz8WVl6hwjXujZq20y-lmN3VIUJObkXxPhw/edit#gid=1477959351 You can kiss my ass goodbye CCP. I'm done with this bullshit. I assure you I'm NOT going to be the only sentinel deeply disturbed by this You can thank me for that. Previously only the cal. sentinel would have beeing hit by the nerf hammer. But then i proudly demonstrated that all heavys except the caldar didnt had to make drawbacks on their fits. That then leaded ratatti to get the omni nerf hammer out to make them equal. Hope you like my influence. Ill deal with it ,but after charlie itll be time to get out the scout nerf hammer. Scouts with 2 equipments say goodbye to that.

Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 137	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:09:00 - [111] - Quote ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: The dark cloud wrote: OP FOTM wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12yHt3jDUpz8WVl6hwjXujZq20y-lmN3VIUJObkXxPhw/edit#gid=1477959351 You can kiss my ass goodbye CCP. I'm done with this bullshit. I assure you I'm NOT going to be the only sentinel deeply disturbed by this You can thank me for that. Previously only the cal. sentinel would have beeing hit by the nerf hammer. But then i proudly demonstrated that all heavys except the caldar didnt had to make drawbacks on their fits. That then leaded ratatti to get the omni nerf hammer out to make them equal. Hope you like my influence. Ill deal with it ,but after charlie itll be time to get out the scout nerf hammer. Scouts with 2 equipments say goodbye to that. Most of the people who learned how to scout did it with a suit that had only 1 equipment slot anyway. BAZINGA!.
ACT1ON BASTARD Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 49	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:15:00 - [112] - Quote Jack 3enimble wrote: ACT1ON BASTARD wrote: The dark cloud wrote: OP FOTM wrote: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12yHt3jDUpz8WVl6hwjXujZq20y-lmN3VIUJObkXxPhw/edit#gid=1477959351 You can kiss my ass goodbye CCP. I'm done with this bullshit. I assure you I'm NOT going to be the only sentinel deeply disturbed by this You can thank me for that. Previously only the cal. sentinel would have beeing hit by the nerf hammer. But then i proudly demonstrated that all heavys except the caldar didnt had to make drawbacks on their fits. That then leaded ratatti to get the omni nerf hammer out to make them equal. Hope you like my influence. Ill deal with it ,but after charlie itll be time to get out the scout nerf hammer. Scouts with 2 equipments say goodbye to that. Most of the people who learned how to scout did it with a suit that had only 1 equipment slot anyway. BAZINGA!. Exactly it gets rid of the fotm chasers whatever that means. Its the sole reason heavies got nerfed to decrease the number of new heavy players which are called fotm chasers, lol.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 789	Posted - 2014.08.07 22:18:00 - [113] - Quote yay another FOTM quits using heavy. mission complete.


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