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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:13:00 -
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Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP?
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:17:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP?
It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around.
Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:21:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? Go play EVE online for at least week, then come back and tell me how cloaking suppose to work.
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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Mr Hakyou
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:23:00 -
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It doesn't... that's why I'm actually able to evade when I'm cloaked... it's not cause they're blind, it's cause they have no auto-aim to make it easy mode. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:24:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? it does sticky...try testing it with an HMG (strongest aim assisted weapon in the game). You'll notice very quickly.
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:25:00 -
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I think that this is a terrible idea and condemn this thread to be biomassed. If you agree like this post.
Eye of the Reaper
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:32:00 -
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Mr Hakyou wrote:It doesn't... that's why I'm actually able to evade when I'm cloaked... it's not cause they're blind, it's cause they have no auto-aim to make it easy mode. Well I was strongly believe in it, until today when I was **** by cloaked-shotgun on me alt. Long before he decloak my aim cross fallowed him(aim-assist) and I'm absolutely sure I did not touch pad while doing so.
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:36:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? Go play EVE online for at least week, then come back and tell me how cloaking suppose to work.
>Eve a sandbox space mmo >Dust 514 a lobby shooter >Mechanics should work the same.
What are you on about? You are everything that killed this game balance wise if you actually believe this is a valid argument. Let me guess our weapons should also auto lock like in Eve too huh? |
TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:38:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? it does sticky...try testing it with an HMG (strongest aim assisted weapon in the game). You'll notice very quickly.
My AA must not work then, because I just follow the target. Hell the HMG is the weapon that I never get a red reticle on a sprinting scout with. I just kill them with the spray because it's a HMG...
Kind of like how the Small blaster turret actually kills people now because it is innaccurate. Because needle point rapid fire is **** while trying to track moving targets on a ps3 game pad. |
Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:41:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
>Eve a sandbox space mmo >Dust 514 a lobby shooter >Mechanics should work the same.
What are you on about? You are everything that killed this game balance wise if you actually believe this is a valid argument. Let me guess our weapons should also auto lock like in Eve too huh?
I describe exactly in my first post 'what i'm on about' - aim-assist(how ever you call it) should not work on players that are currently cloaked, regardless of what they are doing.
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:45:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:
>Eve a sandbox space mmo >Dust 514 a lobby shooter >Mechanics should work the same.
What are you on about? You are everything that killed this game balance wise if you actually believe this is a valid argument. Let me guess our weapons should also auto lock like in Eve too huh?
I describe exactly in my first post 'what i'm on about' - aim-assist(how ever you call it) should not work on players that are currently cloaked, regardless of what they are doing.
And I don't agree that it matters, I think you are probably one of those players that blames all your deaths on auto aim. Auto aim mostly helps people running around IE scouts. I'm all for removing auto aim but I'm not for removing it only sometimes IE a cloak. Take it out or leave it in. None of this, I want to be able to auto aim dodge and spray a guy with my CR to death before he sees me then cloak and run away. Fix the cloak, then we worry about auto aim. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:50:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? Go play EVE online for at least week, then come back and tell me how cloaking suppose to work. Saying "go play eve" doesn't justify your cause, plus aim assist as its known is to help with the less accurate controllers on console games. And on a side note Eve is a sandbox space sim where auto aim is actually a thing since you have to lock on to your target so please take your logic and keep it to yourself.
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:01:00 -
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We need to keep aim assist on against cloaked targets, because it's hilarious.
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Cass Caul
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:10:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? Go play EVE online for at least week, then come back and tell me how cloaking suppose to work. Saying "go play eve" doesn't justify your cause, plus aim assist as its known is to help with the less accurate controllers on console games. And on a side note Eve is a sandbox space sim where auto aim is actually a thing since you have to lock on to your target so please take your logic and keep it to yourself.
Poor execusion, excellent point. Cloak in EVE is a wonderful thing. it lets you move about undetected. It's a tool for scouting out what areas are safe and what areas aren't. You can decloak to launch probes and have a variety of exploration option. But you can't just immediately render and start shooting people. There is long delay (at first, mitigated by skill and ship) and you can use a bomb launcher in 0.0 but that's really the only option.
In DUST, the cloak is just as terrible as how he presented "go look at EVE."
You are very obvious when moving. It does not help you cross dangerous terrain. It's basically just a gimmick. Good/Average players aren't going to have any trouble noticing the glowing outline moving about, but some the newer or terrible players completely lose track of them. It's a predator's tool. The best application of it is to either camp a point or area people travel in frequently and then run away, or exploit the horrendously low frame-rate DUST has and confuse people by 'teleporting' while invisible only to end up behind them in the confusion and shoot them down. The only useful part of it is the sense that it is an active dampener.
Then they nerfed the cloak. They nerfed the cloak the same way they nerfed the Active Scanners. There was such an easy and obvious solution to the problem. . . and they went the opposite direction. Now it's Proto Gal-Logi with Scanner or Prototype Scouts with Cloaks and no one else (even within the suits' mentioned tiers) can use those Equipment with any effect.
If you can't keep up, shut up.
Math is easy, you're just stupid.
The Empress of Alts
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:21:00 -
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And why shouldn't it?
If I don't, who will?
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1865
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:28:00 -
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Atiim wrote:And why shouldn't it? It simply makes it too easy to track targets that are running away... Id be perfectly fine with it if the cloaks actually made you invisible, but they don't, so having auto aim turned off against cloaked units is good, imho.
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1866
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:31:00 -
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wiseguy12 wrote:I think that this is a terrible idea and condemn this thread to be biomassed. If you agree like this post. No one liked it
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:43:00 -
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TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: And I don't agree that it matters, I think you are probably one of those players that blames all your deaths on auto aim. Auto aim mostly helps people running around IE scouts. I'm all for removing auto aim but I'm not for removing it only sometimes IE a cloak. Take it out or leave it in. None of this, I want to be able to auto aim dodge and spray a guy with my CR to death before he sees me then cloak and run away. Fix the cloak, then we worry about auto aim.
It do matters because with aim-assist cloaking is just cosmetic item. Of cures bonus to signatures matter, a lot. But aim-assist put us in the same line with others players that do not use cloaking, and they have more CPU/PG for tanking.
I'm not person that blame others for my mistakes. I understand how aim-assist works - it's not perfect - I understand that, it makes small correction on aim only when player will initiate right move, and it can be countered by a victim if he know how. This mechanic how ever ruins concept of cloaking, and I'm here to point it out and tell how ridicules it is.
Nocturnal Soul wrote: Saying "go play eve" doesn't justify your cause, plus aim assist as its known is to help with the less accurate controllers on console games. And on a side note Eve is a sandbox space sim where auto aim is actually a thing since you have to lock on to your target so please take your logic and keep it to yourself.
You know, I'm playing EVE online for a few days and I think that telling someone that learning is cool, and pointing him right direction never caused anyone harm.
Cloaking works how it's works in DUST 514 because first of all we have different community then EVE online have. Do not even try to tell me about links that both games have and pointing out that it is more like one community. It's not wise to put aim assist on consoles in to the same basket, because on BF and CoD it look different, it works different - DUST how ever is mix of both, like CCP want to tell potential customer that playing FPS never was more easy 'look aim-assist automatically aim on what you can't see on your own eyes! Is it not great?'.
There is a valley between cloaking in EVE online and DUST, in to level that it is even shame to call it cloaking in DUST.
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:50:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: And I don't agree that it matters, I think you are probably one of those players that blames all your deaths on auto aim. Auto aim mostly helps people running around IE scouts. I'm all for removing auto aim but I'm not for removing it only sometimes IE a cloak. Take it out or leave it in. None of this, I want to be able to auto aim dodge and spray a guy with my CR to death before he sees me then cloak and run away. Fix the cloak, then we worry about auto aim.
It do matters because with aim-assist cloaking is just cosmetic item. Of cures bonus to signatures matter, a lot. But aim-assist put us in the same line with others players that do not use cloaking, and they have more CPU/PG for tanking. I'm not person that blame others for my mistakes. I understand how aim-assist works - it's not perfect - I understand that, it makes small correction on aim only when player will initiate right move, and it can be countered by a victim if he know how. This mechanic how ever ruins concept of cloaking, and I'm here to point it out and tell how ridicules it is. Nocturnal Soul wrote: Saying "go play eve" doesn't justify your cause, plus aim assist as its known is to help with the less accurate controllers on console games. And on a side note Eve is a sandbox space sim where auto aim is actually a thing since you have to lock on to your target so please take your logic and keep it to yourself.
You know, I'm playing EVE online for a few days and I think that telling someone that learning is cool, and pointing him right direction never caused anyone harm. Cloaking works how it's works in DUST 514 because first of all we have different community then EVE online have. Do not even try to tell me about links that both games have and pointing out that it is more like one community. It's not wise to put aim assist on consoles in to the same basket, because on BF and CoD it look different, it works different - DUST how ever is mix of both, like CCP want to tell potential customer that playing FPS never was more easy 'look aim-assist automatically aim on what you can't see on your own eyes! Is it not great?'. There is a valley between cloaking in EVE online and DUST, in to level that it is even shame to call it cloaking in DUST. Your post is confusing
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
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Posted - 2014.08.05 18:51:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: Your post is confusing
With part?
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:00:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? it does sticky...try testing it with an HMG (strongest aim assisted weapon in the game). You'll notice very quickly. The HMG is one of the few weapons that doesn't have auto-aim. (Forge, sniper rifle, MD, PLC are the others I can recall CCP saying don't have AA).
Kill Scotty
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:27:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote: Your post is confusing
With part? Last 3 paragraphs
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:49:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? it does sticky...try testing it with an HMG (strongest aim assisted weapon in the game). You'll notice very quickly. The HMG is one of the few weapons that doesn't have auto-aim. (Forge, sniper rifle, MD, PLC are the others I can recall CCP saying don't have AA). Umm...yes it does
Try testing it out w/some friends
Weapons w/out AA are forge, sniper, PLC, MD, flay lock, and NK
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ
Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
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Sylwester Dziewiecki
Interregnum.
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:06:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote: Saying "go play eve" doesn't justify your cause,(...)
Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: I think that telling someone that learning is cool, and pointing him right direction never caused anyone harm.
Nocturnal Soul wrote: (...)aim assist as its known is to help with the less accurate controllers on console games.
Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It's not wise to put aim assist on consoles in to the same basket(...)
Nocturnal Soul wrote: And on a side note Eve is a sandbox space sim where auto aim is actually a thing since you have to lock on to your target so please take your logic and keep it to yourself.
You probably were playing EVE online before, but for very short time. You think that if you are able to 'lock' something you always deal the same damage to it, because you were probably using only missile so far - if they are small caliber they dealing same amount of damage to target in range if target is in missile optimal. With larger caliber it depends on target speed. But it look different with turrets - you can 'look' something and miss it every volley you shot, because target move faster then your turrets rotate, or it has to small signature, and your turrets have to large one or it is to far away. There are others factors as well, for example your turrets may be 'ok' but someone is using EWAR on you...
My logic: There is no aim-assists on cloaked ships in eve online. So someone can be cloaked 10km from you, that's very close, and you will not notice this. You can not 'lock' them. If you are cloaked you are 100% invisible for others, no one can scan you down like in DUST. They 'know' that you are there only because you are on local chat channel(if you will not write something in wormhole local chat channel you will not appear on chat). Beside that you can be damaged/killed with AoE weapon like Smartbomb, and decloaked by things in your proximity like enemy ship, or accelerated gate. When you decloak you can not 'lock' for some time, and when someone 'lock' your ship, you will not be able to use cloak.
So.. yea, your argument that "Eve is a sandbox space sim where auto aim is actually a thing" is weak. There is no such thing like aim-assist on cloaked players in EVE online.
Gallente Speed Scout.
EVE side of me: Nosum Hseebnrido
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.08.05 20:32:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Umm...yes it does
Try testing it out w/some friends
Weapons w/out AA are forge, sniper, PLC, MD, flay lock, and NK
Ok, I just double checked and it seems you are correct that it does have AA, my bad (though according to CCP there isn't supposed to be any on the HMG nor does it need any). However I wouldn't say it is the strongest AA as it seems to be the same to me as the other weapons I tried real quick; unless your counting the fact that the AA is assisting a wall of bullets then I could see what you're saying. Either way the HMG doesn't need and shouldn't have AA.
Kill Scotty
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
295
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:21:00 -
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I just think you exaggerate the use of aim assist Sylwester. A cloak is still a large advantage when the player doesn't notice you. It's like Judge's video on it with the Toupee fallacy. None of us actually know how many scouts we didn't notice who were cloaked.
And having used the cloak, sometimes the exact same players notice me and sometimes they don't in the same match. |
calvin b
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:37:00 -
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Seriously you have the most OP suit and your complaining about auto-aim on a cloaked scout. WTF. Are your that terrible? The scout should be called scrub button. For all you have to do is put on a scout, cloak, and instant scrub is achieved.
Bolt Pistol for the win
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TYCHUS MAXWELL
The Fun Police
295
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Posted - 2014.08.05 21:43:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Seriously you have the most OP suit and your complaining about auto-aim on a cloaked scout. WTF. Are your that terrible? The scout should be called scrub button. For all you have to do is put on a scout, cloak, and instant scrub is achieved.
Hell I have two fittings that I named Scrub FOTM. Both are basic caldari scout suits with basic/mlt level gear one a shotgun and cloak the other CR, REs, and nanos and I just scrub it up. I usually try not to use them until its "one of those games" where everyone is running around in a scout suit scrubbing it up.
I never understood what was wrong with the old scouts though. Sure they dropped like flies when they got shot but I thought that was the point... now instead they beefed them up and now we have the issue of them outclassing assault suits. Everyone but CCP apparently saw that coming. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.08.05 22:01:00 -
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Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? Go play EVE online for at least week, then come back and tell me how cloaking suppose to work.
*Weapons are locked from firing for 30 seconds *Your speed is severely reduced to 10% of your total max speed. *Come close to any powersource 2000 meters and you'll decloak. *You cannot recloak for 30 seconds *You cannot cloak while under fire *You cannot cloak while being targeted.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote:Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote:Is this really necessary? I mean players in cloak that are at close distance can already be detected visually - cloaks do not offer 100% cloaking, especially if you are running, and even if you are holding still someone can aim at you and his aim-cross is changing color to red - is this auto-aim/aim-assist really necessary to all of this CCP? It changes red but it doesn't sticky. Personally, until they make cloaks blue in all lighting sources I don't agree with making the reticle not red. How are we supposed to stop a player when the blue shimmer isn't visible as they sprint around. Fix the blue shimmer and fix firing a weapon while still cloaked and then we can talk about removing the reticle. My god damn PLC or Forge gun takes like 2 seconds from being fired before I can fire my sidearm, why can someone fire immediately before the cloak even wears off? it does sticky...try testing it with an HMG (strongest aim assisted weapon in the game). You'll notice very quickly. The HMG is one of the few weapons that doesn't have auto-aim. (Forge, sniper rifle, MD, PLC are the others I can recall CCP saying don't have AA). Umm...yes it does Try testing it out w/some friends Weapons w/out AA are forge, sniper, PLC, MD, flay lock, and NK
Nova Knives have aim assist.
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