DUST Search - [Theory] Charlie will be a bad time to be a shields based suit

JRleo jr wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

JRleo jr wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

As the title says, this is only a theory, but shield suits will be indirectly nerfed by the new FoTM Amarr Assault with a scrambler dealing ridiculous damage with >1000 total HP and buffed damage mods...

Shield suits will not be able to run or hide when this comes out because of the range and power of a charge shot+volley from a viziam.

Armor stacking will be the only form of survival.

-Crazy theories by Gav

(Just like when i said Cal scouts would be OP post bravo)

IT a good theory, but invalidated by the fact HMG's,RR and Combat rifles dont give a s**t about how much armor you are packing.....

CR/RR>Amarr assault + sCR > Shield based suits > CR/RR

its a cycle

Balanced.

No it isn't
Scr nearly 5 shots all shueld based med frames ir scouts no matter the shields they stack it's insta win, aka op.

Never have I lost to a shield suit with my scr unless I'm using a low hp suit and they come from behind with a cr.

Well,never have i lost vs a Armor suit with my Six kin ACR either .... and it doesnt even have the CPU-PG requirements NOR the overheat threat of the SCR rifle.

The ttk on shield suits is just way to low, they don't have 1% chance of winning 1v1, aka op.

Something needed to be done vs shields, as long as the scr maintains its shield damage, shields will always be up, unless we get an armor version of the scr.

no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil

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calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1837	Posted - 2014.08.04 04:50:00 - [31] - Quote I run Cal Assault for it is hard mode. I do well with the handicaps and I feel any boost for the suit is much needed. Bolt Pistol for the win
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 178	Posted - 2014.08.04 05:01:00 - [32] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I made a Caldari Assault with 640 shields, 50hp/s regen and 1.6/2.44 delays. Can't really call that UP I call bullshit You get 530 shields not 640... Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11484	Posted - 2014.08.04 05:04:00 - [33] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Cat Merc wrote: I made a Caldari Assault with 640 shields, 50hp/s regen and 1.6/2.44 delays. Can't really call that UP I call bullshit You get 530 shields not 640... With HP buff? The 1000 HP Amarr Assault is only a thing because of the HP buff. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15602	Posted - 2014.08.04 06:21:00 - [34] - Quote I'm dubious as to how shields will be in for a 'rough time'. Have you seen the numbers on the Calassault? You can be running up to 750 shield HP with a 2s depleted delay. I've already got my fit planned out. 680 shield HP, 50 HP/s, 1.5/2s shield delays, a kincat, proto weapon, core locus, SMG, and a proto hive. I don't really see that as a weak fit. Not by a long shot. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 397	Posted - 2014.08.04 06:23:00 - [35] - Quote i use amarr assault and all i get from it is my laser/scrambler fire for longer. where as my gallente assault suit has reduction to hip-fire kick/dispersion. which affects my assault rile/shotgun/ion pistol/plasma cannon. the gall assault has more benefits. than the amarr assault by being faster/better regen and only slightly lower hp. in my opinion the amarr assault wont be fotm. my gall assault perfoms much better than my amarr assault. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2014.08.04 07:49:00 - [36] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: JRleo jr wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: As the title says, this is only a theory, but shield suits will be indirectly nerfed by the new FoTM Amarr Assault with a scrambler dealing ridiculous damage with >1000 total HP and buffed damage mods... Shield suits will not be able to run or hide when this comes out because of the range and power of a charge shot+volley from a viziam. Armor stacking will be the only form of survival. -Crazy theories by Gav (Just like when i said Cal scouts would be OP post bravo) IT a good theory, but invalidated by the fact HMG's,RR and Combat rifles dont give a st about how much armor you are packing.....** CR/RR>Amarr assault + sCR > Shield based suits > CR/RR its a cycle Balanced. No it isn't Scr nearly 5 shots all shueld based med frames ir scouts no matter the shields they stack it's insta win, aka op. Never have I lost to a shield suit with my scr unless I'm using a low hp suit and they come from behind with a cr. Well,never have i lost vs a Armor suit with my Six kin ACR either .... and it doesnt even have the CPU-PG requirements NOR the overheat threat of the SCR rifle. The ttk on shield suits is just way to low, they don't have 1% chance of winning 1v1, aka op. Something needed to be done vs shields, as long as the scr maintains its shield damage, shields will always be up, unless we get an armor version of the scr. Have u not seen the omnipotent RR. ...problem solved no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
Robocop Junior Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 493	Posted - 2014.08.04 07:56:00 - [37] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i use amarr assault and all i get from it is my laser/scrambler fire for longer. where as my gallente assault suit has reduction to hip-fire kick/dispersion. which affects my assault rile/shotgun/ion pistol/plasma cannon. the gall assault has more benefits. than the amarr assault by being faster/better regen and only slightly lower hp. in my opinion the amarr assault wont be fotm. my gall assault perfoms much better than my amarr assault. I miss you Racro lol what channels are you in? If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3830	Posted - 2014.08.04 08:09:00 - [38] - Quote Dont know about you but im going to use 2 complex regulators on my ck.0 sentinel as soon this hotfix drops. 1.6 sec recharge delay and 0.4 sec for depleted is just nuts. New shield module!
Death Shadow117 New Age Empire. General Tso's Alliance 214	Posted - 2014.08.04 08:49:00 - [39] - Quote My assault scrambler will be in my hands once again. Finally have a reason for it ill get my min assault out for it. My tears come out of my dick so have fun with that cup of 'em.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3783	Posted - 2014.08.04 09:32:00 - [40] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: JRleo jr wrote: True Adamance wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: When damage mods get their buff, tell me that this will be balanced-- http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6077 Oh god what the **** is that? No Rep and a Biotic Module? Not using a high slot? Core Locus? Submachine Gun? It's an abomination. 3 complex plates and 2 reps will do. Core nade should be gone. The kin cat, that's the real abomination. Not really it could be compared to a MWD on a Amarr destroyer. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3784	Posted - 2014.08.04 09:35:00 - [41] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i use amarr assault and all i get from it is my laser/scrambler fire for longer. where as my gallente assault suit has reduction to hip-fire kick/dispersion. which affects my assault rile/shotgun/ion pistol/plasma cannon. the gall assault has more benefits. than the amarr assault by being faster/better regen and only slightly lower hp. in my opinion the amarr assault wont be fotm. my gall assault perfoms much better than my amarr assault. Lol I'd destroy you in 1vs1 (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1748	Posted - 2014.08.04 10:15:00 - [42] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: As the title says, this is only a theory, but shield suits will be indirectly nerfed by the new FoTM Amarr Assault with a scrambler dealing ridiculous damage with >1000 total HP and buffed damage mods... Shield suits will not be able to run or hide when this comes out because of the range and power of a charge shot+volley from a viziam. Armor stacking will be the only form of survival. -Crazy theories by Gav (Just like when i said Cal scouts would be OP post bravo) Viziams and scrams always torched shield suits. This is less than news. Scrams have shorter range than CR/RR and as I sid in beta during the days of laser hell: use cover, recover and get close. At point blank laser rifles are as threatening as a small child with a damp sock.
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 174	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:11:00 - [43] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: As the title says, this is only a theory, but shield suits will be indirectly nerfed by the new FoTM Amarr Assault with a scrambler dealing ridiculous damage with >1000 total HP and buffed damage mods... Shield suits will not be able to run or hide when this comes out because of the range and power of a charge shot+volley from a viziam. Armor stacking will be the only form of survival. -Crazy theories by Gav (Just like when i said Cal scouts would be OP post bravo) Viziams and scrams always torched shield suits. This is less than news. Scrams have shorter range than CR/RR and as I sid in beta during the days of laser hell: use cover, recover and get close. At point blank laser rifles are as threatening as a small child with a damp sock. hey man you never know what that child put in that sock, nor where its been ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2586	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:33:00 - [44] - Quote I've watched again scout numbers, they suck. Caldari scout = wallhack + radar invisibility + long range radar+ fast regen (why the hell they have a dampening bonus) Amarr scout= wallhack + HP or radar invisibility Gallente scout = precision bonus is pointless Min scout = fu.cked as usual Assaults will get more HP, but surprise, 150 more HP are pointless when you stand in front of a heavy or when a scout can scan you and backstab you. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communists who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items" Uncesored FUCK
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1748	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:44:00 - [45] - Quote If you stand in front of a heavy at close range you are an idiot. If you stop moving the scout gets a guaranteed gank. Just like holding still with a duvolle assault rifle unloading in your face.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 181	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:56:00 - [46] - Quote JONAHBENHUR wrote: shield tanking in the game has always been one of the hardest things to do. the first weapons had stronger affect on shields, the massive cpu and pg requirements with little hp return and as the game progressed the most OP weapon ever the scrambler rifle just melting people. Shield tankers will not experience anything new some will over come, but most have a back up armor tank suit by now. I don't have a singke armor suit specced into...cal sent, scout, and assault proto. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 181	Posted - 2014.08.04 11:58:00 - [47] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: JRleo jr wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: IT a good theory, but invalidated by the fact HMG's,RR and Combat rifles dont give a st about how much armor you are packing.....** CR/RR>Amarr assault + sCR > Shield based suits > CR/RR its a cycle Balanced. No it isn't Scr nearly 5 shots all shueld based med frames ir scouts no matter the shields they stack it's insta win, aka op. Never have I lost to a shield suit with my scr unless I'm using a low hp suit and they come from behind with a cr. Well,never have i lost vs a Armor suit with my Six kin ACR either .... and it doesnt even have the CPU-PG requirements NOR the overheat threat of the SCR rifle. The ttk on shield suits is just way to low, they don't have 1% chance of winning 1v1, aka op. Something needed to be done vs shields, as long as the scr maintains its shield damage, shields will always be up, unless we get an armor version of the scr. Have u not seen the omnipotent RR. ...problem solved Proto rr vs scr 500 armor suit. I get instaganked and get 3 shots off or so before I die. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1849	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:06:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: When damage mods get their buff, tell me that this will be balanced-- http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6077 Oh god what the **** is that? No Rep and a Biotic Module? Not using a high slot? Core Locus? Submachine Gun? Oops shared the wrong one... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
RECON BY FIRE Imperfects Negative-Feedback 420	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:26:00 - [49] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: When damage mods get their buff, tell me that this will be balanced-- http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/6077 Oh god what the **** is that? No Rep and a Biotic Module? Not using a high slot? Core Locus? Submachine Gun? That compact nanohive bro, makes the whole thing OP. Stuff....?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6902	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:31:00 - [50] - Quote This thread proves why plebs get Protostompped so easily. It's not that theyre using proto. It's that most of these players are so stupid they can't make a decent fitting. Carry on commoners, carry on to your deaths. * Valiantly rides off into the sunset on his robotic horse* see you space cowboy...

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 168	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:44:00 - [51] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: As the title says, this is only a theory, but shield suits will be indirectly nerfed by the new FoTM Amarr Assault with a scrambler dealing ridiculous damage with >1000 total HP and buffed damage mods... Shield suits will not be able to run or hide when this comes out because of the range and power of a charge shot+volley from a viziam. Armor stacking will be the only form of survival. -Crazy theories by Gav (Just like when i said Cal scouts would be OP post bravo) IT a good theory, but invalidated by the fact HMG's,RR and Combat rifles dont give a st about how much armor you are packing.....** CR/RR>Amarr assault + sCR > Shield based suits > CR/RR its a cycle Balanced. No it isn't Scr nearly 5 shots all shueld based med frames ir scouts no matter the shields they stack it's insta win, aka op. Never have I lost to a shield suit with my scr unless I'm using a low hp suit and they come from behind with a cr. Really? I call that statement pure bullsh!t, no one is unstoppable in any suit.
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 823	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:57:00 - [52] - Quote Good I hope everyone skills into amarr assault so I can slaughter them with this. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5747 What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
Zindorak 1.U.P 243	Posted - 2014.08.04 15:59:00 - [53] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Shields are for the weak. There's a reason it's prefered by the Caldari and Minmatar. And the rest of us are just Gal-Amarr-ous! yea Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 175	Posted - 2014.08.05 03:42:00 - [54] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This thread proves why plebs get Protostompped so easily. It's not that theyre using proto. It's that most of these players are so stupid they can't make a decent fitting. Carry on commoners, carry on to your deaths. * Valiantly rides off into the sunset on his robotic horse* there is no sunset, only amarrian death laz0rs about to glass the planet youre on ...Yeah, i use a heavy machine gun, and I think i do a Damn good job at it. i eat babies forum warrior Lv0
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12583	Posted - 2014.08.05 03:45:00 - [55] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: JRleo jr wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: As the title says, this is only a theory, but shield suits will be indirectly nerfed by the new FoTM Amarr Assault with a scrambler dealing ridiculous damage with >1000 total HP and buffed damage mods... Shield suits will not be able to run or hide when this comes out because of the range and power of a charge shot+volley from a viziam. Armor stacking will be the only form of survival. -Crazy theories by Gav (Just like when i said Cal scouts would be OP post bravo) IT a good theory, but invalidated by the fact HMG's,RR and Combat rifles dont give a st about how much armor you are packing.....** CR/RR>Amarr assault + sCR > Shield based suits > CR/RR its a cycle Balanced. No it isn't Scr nearly 5 shots all shueld based med frames ir scouts no matter the shields they stack it's insta win, aka op. Never have I lost to a shield suit with my scr unless I'm using a low hp suit and they come from behind with a cr. Really? I call that statement pure bullsh!t, no one is unstoppable in any suit. I call bullshit being a pure Amarrian skilled player...... I might be able to drop most players shields in 4-5 shots...... but I will never take their armour down in less than 2-3. Now if I had precharged my shots and followed up a volley then I might 5 shot a suit.... bearing in mind after the charged shot I have between 5-7 follow ups shots tops before I overheat........ and strafing suits are very difficult to hit. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Lloyd Orfay Fantom Company 19	Posted - 2014.08.06 02:27:00 - [56] - Quote Pretty much, although many of the weapons just shoot through hp like nothing if you aren't a sentinel. Instead of changes to other things I say work must be done for the weapons. No matter what a game is it needs some realism on specific features. An example being how in reality weapons such as guns follow the rule of being harder to use the stronger they are on most cases, which of course many of our guns here don't follow. Some weapons may be on par with recoil and power, but definitely not things such as dispersion, effective range, or movement penalty. I don't think a weapon bonus such as less kick should have any purpose other than reducing the stronger kick of a stronger weapon variant instead of making a weapon super deadly. Scrub: Players that find enjoyment in very low risk high reward game play (e.g. Cloak and shotgun)
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1872	Posted - 2014.08.06 03:27:00 - [57] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: This thread proves why plebs get Protostompped so easily. It's not that theyre using proto. It's that most of these players are so stupid they can't make a decent fitting. Carry on commoners, carry on to your deaths. * Valiantly rides off into the sunset on his robotic horse* You try making a min scout that can survive an amarr assault next patch "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12614	Posted - 2014.08.06 03:29:00 - [58] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: This thread proves why plebs get Protostompped so easily. It's not that theyre using proto. It's that most of these players are so stupid they can't make a decent fitting. Carry on commoners, carry on to your deaths. * Valiantly rides off into the sunset on his robotic horse* You try making a min scout that can survive an amarr assault next patch Well if Nova's can continue to do a fair 900 damage on full charge then that's easy. Sneak Creep Charge Stab Boundless Combat Rifle...... actually just skill step 4 and go straight to the strafing combat rifle.... "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD 251	Posted - 2014.08.06 03:34:00 - [59] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Amarr assault isn't the only one getting a buff, ALL assaults are getting buffed. Damage mods don't just effect anti-shield weapons, they work on anti-armor weapons as well. I don't know what about the changes makes you worried shield-tanking will be disproportionately negatively effected. Amarr assault currently is on par with non-cal scouts and non-gal/am heavies All other assaults are not. Amarr assault gets equal buffs to all other assaults. Amarr assault remains best assault and becomes FoTM=more common on the field=shield tankers get more screwed. ^^Thats how i came to my conclusion considering everyone tries to stack as much shield extenders on their fits and run headfirst into the enemy, that tactic is UP. The use of shield regs/energizers allows you to have a greater regen than any armor suit can dream of. allowing you to duck and dive, rather than "Tank" your way through engagements. The Minmatar is able to get up close and personal against an Ammar suit, while the Caldari can kite its way around it, either way, as long as you think it through, shields can be run to take more damage over time than armor Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2030	Posted - 2014.08.13 16:23:00 - [60] - Quote Just want to bump this LOL "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor



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