DUST Search - How do we increase participation and/or team play?

One Eyed King wrote:

Coleman Gray wrote:

We need a more effective reward system, that only rewards solely based on your contribution

I like this, but this gets complicated.

For example, yesterday, I sacrificed a clone because there was an uplink under a stairwell, the reds were making a move on the objective, so I ran in and threw a flux because that was more important at the time than getting a kill or two. I only got plus 5 for it, but the blues were able to clean up those that got through the uplink so no progress was made.

It is hard to quantify those kind of events.

It would be nice if there were some sort of multiplier to the passive in game SP that your activities could affect.

For example, if you were making some sort of attempt to help be it hacking, killing, repping, dropping uplinks and nanohives etc, you would get an 2x or 3x passive SP. At the same time, they would need to reduce 1x passive SP such that it wouldn't be worth the effort for AFKers, but wouldn't affect anyone making an actual effort.

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:37:00 - [1] - Quote I personally believe incentives drive behavior. To me the current behavior in matches says that players believe they don't have to do anything to get paid OR they don't believe they are paid enough to care. I think changing the incentives to account for both will allow Dust to continue and perhaps even begin to thrive again. What say you? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12522	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:40:00 - [2] - Quote I'm of the opinion that while incentives are nice they shouldn't be the sole reason for doing anything. "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:45:00 - [3] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I'm of the opinion that while incentives are nice they shouldn't be the sole reason for doing anything. Sometimes incentives aren't noticeable, they are hidden within good mechanics/policies Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1744	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:49:00 - [4] - Quote Personally i think ISK payouts should be higher for participation and squads. People who don't even bother to stop AFKing should get maybe 10k ISK/match and 10 SP
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4120	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:54:00 - [5] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Personally i think ISK payouts should be higher for participation and squads. People who don't even bother to stop AFKing should get maybe 10k ISK/match and 10 SP I totally agree. To help with the situation maybe filling squads automatically as they did in closed beta would at least tempt the scrubs to go toward the area where the green dudes are. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
BL4CKST4R LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 2860	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:02:00 - [6] - Quote Not get stomped and face rolled across the pavement like it's hunting season. If I am redlined I am AFK I'm done. My assets are more valuable than trying to win a lost game. Specially when in the end I still lose and I am down -1M ISK or more. Better payouts and better matchmaking and this issue will fix itself. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4122	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:04:00 - [7] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Not get stomped and face rolled across the pavement like it's hunting season. If I am redlined I am AFK I'm done. My assets are more valuable than trying to win a lost game. Specially when in the end I still lose and I am down -1M ISK or more. Better payouts and better matchmaking and this issue will fix itself. It's usually the collective efforts or lack thereof that lead to redlines. This is what I'm asking about. How do we get those crapberries to turn into awesomeberries? Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
X7 lion Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 246	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:21:00 - [8] - Quote its a fundamental flaw with the game play, you dont need a whole team work to acomplish a objective you need x> then what the other people have working a objective. there would need to be more links in the chain for holding and maintaing a null cannon for team play to be not only required but promoted by the gameplay it self *I am death, you cannot see me, you cannot out run me, you cannot find me, but im always right behind you.* -stab-
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4126	Posted - 2014.08.03 12:30:00 - [9] - Quote My idea is: 1) give ability to sell assets 2) give us the UI to build teams (only allowed in FW and PC) 3) auto fill squads and teams (in FW) 4) increase LP payouts in FW significantly I believe these things would be the incentive needed to operate as a team. Your noobs would enjoy playing it as they would get access to better gear and they'd be mixed amongst more experienced players. Along with this I'd make ambush and FW the only mode you could deploy solo into (no solo in FW unless there's a team currently in queue with open spots). There is some work there that's not currently part of the deal, but you'd have vets dropping cash for LP boosters. That is important because I'm a 60+ mil SP player that will never buy another SP booster again. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 714	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:28:00 - [10] - Quote how about team deploy and a isk multiplier based on the squad size? i dont like the no solo idea though

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3110	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:43:00 - [11] - Quote I know it is not possible due to the limited number of players, but there should also be a way for those of use who run solo to be forced to run up against well trained squads either. Sometimes it is a matter of time, I generally can only get a game or two in before work some days, and I don't have time to wait on a squad etc. Plus, having an outlet for solo players would reduce their numbers in modes where squads are present. This is how a minja feels
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 39	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:35:00 - [12] - Quote Nobody ever counter hacked objectives... EVER Give a lil counter hack bonus oh look "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4145	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:46:00 - [13] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: how about team deploy and a isk multiplier based on the squad size? i dont like the no solo idea though I don't particularly like it either, but I don't know how else you'd correct the current problem of 80% or more players being solo. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3112	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:50:00 - [14] - Quote Devadander wrote: Nobody ever counter hacked objectives... EVER Give a lil counter hack bonus oh look I think counter hacking should be worth more. It takes more time and effort I think. Sometimes, if I get to blinking objective too late, I will just wait to hack it in order to not give away my position. A red point is a much faster hack, and almost finishing a counter hack, only to have it turn red just give the other team all the time in the world to find you and take you out before you can do your job. This is how a minja feels
Coleman Gray Haus of Triage 991	Posted - 2014.08.03 20:54:00 - [15] - Quote We need a more effective reward system, that only rewards solely based on your contribution If Preparation is half of the battle and knowing is the other half, Then there is no need to fight.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4145	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:00:00 - [16] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Devadander wrote: Nobody ever counter hacked objectives... EVER Give a lil counter hack bonus oh look I think counter hacking should be worth more. It takes more time and effort I think. Sometimes, if I get to blinking objective too late, I will just wait to hack it in order to not give away my position. A red point is a much faster hack, and almost finishing a counter hack, only to have it turn red just give the other team all the time in the world to find you and take you out before you can do your job. Without a doubt, counter hacking should be worth much more than it is. All the people around the counter hacker should get WP too. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 3112	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:05:00 - [17] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: We need a more effective reward system, that only rewards solely based on your contribution I like this, but this gets complicated. For example, yesterday, I sacrificed a clone because there was an uplink under a stairwell, the reds were making a move on the objective, so I ran in and threw a flux because that was more important at the time than getting a kill or two. I only got plus 5 for it, but the blues were able to clean up those that got through the uplink so no progress was made. It is hard to quantify those kind of events. It would be nice if there were some sort of multiplier to the passive in game SP that your activities could affect. For example, if you were making some sort of attempt to help be it hacking, killing, repping, dropping uplinks and nanohives etc, you would get an 2x or 3x passive SP. At the same time, they would need to reduce 1x passive SP such that it wouldn't be worth the effort for AFKers, but wouldn't affect anyone making an actual effort. This is how a minja feels
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4146	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:12:00 - [18] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Coleman Gray wrote: We need a more effective reward system, that only rewards solely based on your contribution I like this, but this gets complicated. For example, yesterday, I sacrificed a clone because there was an uplink under a stairwell, the reds were making a move on the objective, so I ran in and threw a flux because that was more important at the time than getting a kill or two. I only got plus 5 for it, but the blues were able to clean up those that got through the uplink so no progress was made. It is hard to quantify those kind of events. It would be nice if there were some sort of multiplier to the passive in game SP that your activities could affect. For example, if you were making some sort of attempt to help be it hacking, killing, repping, dropping uplinks and nanohives etc, you would get an 2x or 3x passive SP. At the same time, they would need to reduce 1x passive SP such that it wouldn't be worth the effort for AFKers, but wouldn't affect anyone making an actual effort. I think you are overthinking it. If you are doing those kinds of things it usually shows up on the leaderboard. It's not always true though, being stuck in a FG suit in a lopsided match can lead to some low WP numbers. But I'd trade sometimes not getting paid well for constant action anyday. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 253	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:50:00 - [19] - Quote I'd like to see a bonus for actually winning... As well as money gains from time spent in the game removed completely. Currently I just troll about doing nothing, because there's no point me risking my neck for a team that refuses to go near the objective, when I'm gonna get paid the same anyway... That and the suggested 'no reward for killing while in the redzone' will be very nice indeed.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4148	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:01:00 - [20] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: I'd like to see a bonus for actually winning... As well as money gains from time spent in the game removed completely. Currently I just troll about doing nothing, because there's no point me risking my neck for a team that refuses to go near the objective, when I'm gonna get paid the same anyway... That and the suggested 'no reward for killing while in the redzone' will be very nice indeed. Some obvious stuff there. I've seen something recently about making redline matches end faster. I'd add that none of the players in the redline should get anything. I'd like to see them banished to ambush for 24 hours as well. Perhaps too harsh, but I believe drastic measures are necessary or Dust will be dead soon. Level 4 Forum Warrior Very, very bitter vet PSN: wbrom42

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 717	Posted - 2014.08.03 22:07:00 - [21] - Quote solo players should be a majority in most pubs always im a solo player mostly, team deploy should be a thing though, and a squad multiplier based payout system would incentivise more team play also.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 228	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:48:00 - [22] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Personally i think ISK payouts should be higher for participation and squads. People who don't even bother to stop AFKing should get maybe 10k ISK/match and 10 SP no. this will only fuel proto/squad stomping Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 228	Posted - 2014.08.04 00:50:00 - [23] - Quote change squad size back to 4.. solo people get thrown into a squad in the match unless you choose to opt out of auto squading. that way you could actually get more teamwork Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1748	Posted - 2014.08.04 08:13:00 - [24] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Personally i think ISK payouts should be higher for participation and squads. People who don't even bother to stop AFKing should get maybe 10k ISK/match and 10 SP no. this will only fuel proto/squad stomping Itll also put more proto on both sides and let new players rapidly deploy advanced gear, levelling the playing field a lot. A good player with adv fits will massacre a mediocre protostomper
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3830	Posted - 2014.08.04 08:24:00 - [25] - Quote Incentive to care for the blueberry? Are you mad? When i see a blueberry next to me in a firefight i kick him in the bum and yell "YOU DIE NOT ME!" then i jump into cover while the poor sod gets drilled by an HMG. New shield module!
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1748	Posted - 2014.08.04 09:47:00 - [26] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Incentive to care for the blueberry? Are you mad? When i see a blueberry next to me in a firefight i kick him in the bum and yell "YOU DIE NOT ME!" then i jump into cover while the poor sod gets drilled by an HMG. Caring about the blueberry? What the hell are you smoking? I want tougher, more distracting cannon fodder keeping proto users from realizing im on top of them, inspiring more heavy nerf whine threads
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 329	Posted - 2014.08.04 10:50:00 - [27] - Quote I believe a lot of new bros are coding it here they have no idea how to play the game to their maximum benefit . They don't know what orders are and how to do them and what will happen if they stay near that little circle.The only way to change them is to take the time to teach them.Teaching new bro squads in squadfinder ,They are grateful to learn.
Luther Mandrix WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 329	Posted - 2014.08.04 10:52:00 - [28] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: change squad size back to 4.. solo people get thrown into a squad in the match unless you choose to opt out of auto squading. that way you could actually get more teamwork You are changing the game to more COD like if they do this Dust not COD.
xAckie Ghost. Mob 441	Posted - 2014.08.04 12:43:00 - [29] - Quote remove passive SP. There is no incentive to play the game if people are earning more SP passively than they do in a match. make each objective have extra bonuses for work done in that area and decline outwards. So: within 10m 100% bonus within 15m 75% bonus etc etc
Zindorak 1.U.P 244	Posted - 2014.08.04 17:01:00 - [30] - Quote Better SP payouts and more bonus SP Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3



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