DUST Search - Why was Codebreakers not moved to High Slots again?

Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

I still don't like this precision bonus our scouts are getting...... it doesn't make sense to me.... I would rather have nicked off with the Minmatar scouts hacking bonus and given the precision to them to become real nova knife hunters.

Certainly the hacking would be better for Amarr anyway..... we don't roll onto objectives very quickly.... its takes a while for the wrecking ball to get moving.....but if we could hack with super speed........

Id like precision, EXCEPT we have three high slots. Precision with a 3+ HS suit would invalidate other suits too much for too little sacrifice on the minmitar behalf (same as Cal is now). For the sake of preserving some form of balance, the minmitar does not need precision, no matter how good it would be.

We need active dampening to enhance our hit and run knifer assassin role, and make us viable assassins. Make our hacking bonus innate (like what was done with the min-logi), and give us an active dampening bonus.

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501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 417	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:55:00 - [1] - Quote I am most curious as to the argument that stopped this amazing proposal. Currently, the Amarr Scout is to get Precision, Gallente Dampening and Precision, Caldari Range and Precision...and the Minmatar get what? Hacking? Umm...how can we speed hack a point when we have to use Codebreakers on our suits? Other suits will be able to scan us 88 meters out now even with damps on if an Amarr is proto with two complex precision mods, and we need I believe two or three complex dampners and a proto cloak to hide?! That is unacceptable. The Minmatar Scout has no ewar advantage saying pick me. At least Codebreakers in highs can allow me to dampen and get close with my knives! I already know how to use low hp, but struggling to get in close when these super scouts come is going to make my life impossible. Please make Codebreakers high slots, or give me and the Minmatar community a damn good reason for why our main strength (hacking), is taking away from our survival. The Cal may have to sacrifice hp in their shields, but they can still dampen with hardcore precision so other suits can't find them. Amarr will see you coming from many meters out, so they will flank and you can't find them if they run two damps. Gallente are just fricikin ghosts. Minmatar have to use codebreakers, hurting our dampening. 07 From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3759	Posted - 2014.08.01 21:59:00 - [2] - Quote Gallente now share their bonus with Caldari and we lost 10 percent of it, so we aren't really ghost. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 418	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:00:00 - [3] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Gallente now share their bonus with Caldari and we lost 10 percent of it, so we aren't really ghost. True but you'll be closer. And if CCP makes scouts have a bonus to module effacy, perhaps you will get dampening Caldari Range Amplifiers Amarr Precision Minmatar Codebreakers? I just implore them to be high slots From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2677	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:02:00 - [4] - Quote IMO You should have to sacrifice tank for your bonus Gallante sacrifice armor for Damps Caldari sacrifice shields for precision Amarr sacrifice armor for range (Why they got precision is beyond me) Minmatar sacrifice shields for hacking A scanned scout is a dead scout and you can't hack points if your dead. Tanker/Logi/Assault
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3523	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:05:00 - [5] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Why was Codebreakers not moved to High Slots again? This was attempted but created unanticipated problems. To quote Rattati, "a module has never been moved from Low Slot to High Slot before" ... he didn't say it couldn't be done, only that it would be more difficult than expected. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 418	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:06:00 - [6] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: IMO You should have to sacrifice tank for your bonus Gallante sacrifice armor for Damps Caldari sacrifice shields for precision Amarr sacrifice armor for range (Why they got precision is beyond me) Minmatar sacrifice shields for hacking Exactly. My issue is that sacrificing tank for those suits won't hurt them. Gallente dampened can't be found, so they don't need tank. Caldari see you coming, so they need no shields Amarr will get precision AS well as Range...they will absolutely see you, and they can tank or dampen without impedement. Minmatar have to give shields for precision, and their hacking reduces our armor as well as dampening. So we are naked. We may see some scouts coming, but Gallente gank us. We may try to hack a point, but Caldari see us CCP Rattati, may I ask that you change your mind and make damps high From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 418	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:07:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: 501st Headstrong wrote: Why was Codebreakers not moved to High Slots again? This was attempted but created unanticipated problems. To quote Rattati, "a module has never been moved from Low Slot to High Slot before" ... he didn't say it couldn't be done, only that it would be more difficult than expected. Even if it has to go till Delta, I can wait. I just have to know it's coming, it's absolutely crucial to Minscouts From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 814	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:30:00 - [8] - Quote I totally agree. There's really only two ways of going about speed hacking in competitive play (as far as I can see at least). 1. You are super fast to get in and get out (kincats). 2. You are super sneaky to get in and get out without being scanned (damps). Both of these are in direct competition with the most important module for being a speedy hacker, the code breaker. This is why code breakers should just be moved to the high slot. This will benefit all suits not just the min scout. (thinking specifically of armor tankers complaining about the lack of variety in high slots) As far as Rattati being worried, how much are these modules actually used? I'd guess very little because of they are low slots and they are high capacity. Is anyone really that concerned that speed hacking fits will be OP in the world of 1500 hp heavies dealing 800+ dps and 360 scans. Or that moving code breakers to high slots would change this? Anyway rant over. From one minmatar fan to another +1 What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:46:00 - [9] - Quote Agrees Boot. And Kincat stacking atill cannot work because they will scan you before you get close. Currently a Gal Scout can hack just as well as a Min Scout since thwy can stack 4 Codebreakers while atill being nicely dampened. Don't change th Gal Scout or penalize them, just have it where we can dampen too From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11441	Posted - 2014.08.01 23:07:00 - [10] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Agrees Boot. And Kincat stacking atill cannot work because they will scan you before you get close. Currently a Gal Scout can hack just as well as a Min Scout since thwy can stack 4 Codebreakers while atill being nicely dampened. Don't change th Gal Scout or penalize them, just have it where we can dampen too Nicely damped? Are you joking? Without a single dampener we're still very easily scannable. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 420	Posted - 2014.08.01 23:32:00 - [11] - Quote You require two complex fampners to hide, and can still have two codebreakers, range amps, etc. Min Scouts need three, using all our low slots. We have no Ewar, no scans no range no nothing. You take for granted the tyranny of the Cal Scout and other Precision scouts because your bonus goes towards your survivability. Min Scouts have none. Even when we get past your all-seeing sentries, they are alerted the second we start hacking. We need a speed hack to get it off. The flipping issue is we can't do both simaltanouesly. We either die trying to infiltrate or get killed while hacking with a moderately increased bonus. And yes, Running 3 codebreakers is a necessity. You usually one have 3-4 seconds before you get shotgunned. That is the time we have to hack, and then try and get out. I have only survived a speed hack in a PC once, ans that was with a whole squad keeping hoayikes at bay. That is not an actual speedhack, that is teammates dying for you while you just hack faster. A speedhack is get in hack, get out. No team needed. Currently Minnie's can only speed, but we can't hack. How we get in to hack, but without speed From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Jadek Menaheim Ancient Textiles. 3349	Posted - 2014.08.02 01:53:00 - [12] - Quote You could avoid running to an objective all together with a min-scout haxzor. Just have to work on your aerial drift. http://youtu.be/zgwTFVJb7ZM?t=1m24s Want ISK? I'm giving it away!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 215	Posted - 2014.08.02 01:55:00 - [13] - Quote no to highslot.. armor tanking is too powerful on high speed scouts. Logibro in training. Weapon Damage Profiles Quick List
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3792	Posted - 2014.08.02 02:04:00 - [14] - Quote because appearently a full dampened scout that aswell has codebreakers would be so OP. Ya know stacking hacking mods and dampeners leaves you with no room for plates or shields which means if some 1 shots you for half a sec you are dead. New shield module!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12485	Posted - 2014.08.02 02:49:00 - [15] - Quote I still don't like this precision bonus our scouts are getting...... it doesn't make sense to me.... I would rather have nicked off with the Minmatar scouts hacking bonus and given the precision to them to become real nova knife hunters. Certainly the hacking would be better for Amarr anyway..... we don't roll onto objectives very quickly.... its takes a while for the wrecking ball to get moving.....but if we could hack with super speed........ "We were commanded us to burn the system...We did. I mourn the loss of the innocent caught in our fires" -Kador Ouryon
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1803	Posted - 2014.08.02 03:13:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I still don't like this precision bonus our scouts are getting...... it doesn't make sense to me.... I would rather have nicked off with the Minmatar scouts hacking bonus and given the precision to them to become real nova knife hunters. Certainly the hacking would be better for Amarr anyway..... we don't roll onto objectives very quickly.... its takes a while for the wrecking ball to get moving.....but if we could hack with super speed........ Id like precision, EXCEPT we have three high slots. Precision with a 3+ HS suit would invalidate other suits too much for too little sacrifice on the minmitar behalf (same as Cal is now). For the sake of preserving some form of balance, the minmitar does not need precision, no matter how good it would be. We need active dampening to enhance our hit and run knifer assassin role, and make us viable assassins. Make our hacking bonus innate (like what was done with the min-logi), and give us an active dampening bonus. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 672	Posted - 2014.08.02 04:47:00 - [17] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: True Adamance wrote: I still don't like this precision bonus our scouts are getting...... it doesn't make sense to me.... I would rather have nicked off with the Minmatar scouts hacking bonus and given the precision to them to become real nova knife hunters. Certainly the hacking would be better for Amarr anyway..... we don't roll onto objectives very quickly.... its takes a while for the wrecking ball to get moving.....but if we could hack with super speed........ Id like precision, EXCEPT we have three high slots. Precision with a 3+ HS suit would invalidate other suits too much for too little sacrifice on the minmitar behalf (same as Cal is now). For the sake of preserving some form of balance, the minmitar does not need precision, no matter how good it would be. We need active dampening to enhance our hit and run knifer assassin role, and make us viable assassins. Make our hacking bonus innate (like what was done with the min-logi), and give us an active dampening bonus. The only problem the community has with active dampening is that it will make the Min scout OP...considering how UP it is now... I can't see that happening...and it isn't really getting any changes in Hotfix charlie...so active dampening would be perfect. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p is my Minja Brother.
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11186	Posted - 2014.08.02 06:51:00 - [18] - Quote I believe it was so that MinScouts could use 3 of them while still being able to speed tank. Though this will hurt the Matari Assaults, while also guaranteeing that only Armor Tankers will use them when it comes to Medium Frames. Hotfix Charlie = Uprising 1.7 -HAND
iKILLu osborne Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 134	Posted - 2014.08.02 08:04:00 - [19] - Quote as it is now the minja need some kind of buff(any buff really, poor little fellers) i laugh when i see minja coming at my cal scout and the if they get no love so will the amarr/gal scout come charlie. In my opinion if the bonuses cannot be changed for minja or codebreakers moved to high slots at least lower their profile to where less dampening is needed "uh guys" "i got to go back to the depot those 10 ads's made me crap my dropsuit"
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:09:00 - [20] - Quote i think the min scout bonuses are not suitable at all the nova knives are a caldari weapon and hacking should be logi specific ability, the min scouts need a whole new set of bonuses.

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 434	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:30:00 - [21] - Quote Larry Desmo wrote: i think the min scout bonuses are not suitable at all the nova knives are a caldari weapon and hacking should be logi specific ability, the min scouts need a whole new set of bonuses. Such as? All the bonuses are taken From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1819	Posted - 2014.08.02 22:58:00 - [22] - Quote 501st Headstrong wrote: Larry Desmo wrote: i think the min scout bonuses are not suitable at all the nova knives are a caldari weapon and hacking should be logi specific ability, the min scouts need a whole new set of bonuses. Such as? All the bonuses are taken Active dampening But seriously keep the knives bonus. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. FA's Shotgunning T-Dome Champ Give the Minja active dampening!--By Bor
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.08.02 23:22:00 - [23] - Quote id prefer it be a bonus to explosives, what minja dosnt have grenades, remotes, and a flaylock?
Zindorak 1.U.P 228	Posted - 2014.08.03 00:51:00 - [24] - Quote Does it really matter what slots they are in? Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6868	Posted - 2014.08.03 01:00:00 - [25] - Quote Zindorak wrote: Does it really matter what slots they are in? ............................................________ ....................................,.-'"...................``~., .............................,.-"..................................."-., .........................,/...............................................":, .....................,?......................................................, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:"........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(....."~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_...."~,_........"~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......"=,_......."-,_.......,.-~-,},.~";/....} ...........((.....~_......."=-._......";,,./`..../"............../ ...,,,___.`~,......"~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-" ............/.`~,......`-...................................../ .............`~.-,.....................................\|,./.....,__ ,,_..........}.>-._...................................\|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,__......`,................................. ...................`=~-,,.,............................... ................................`:,,...........................`..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_..........._,-%.......` ..................................., see you space cowboy...
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 712	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:53:00 - [26] - Quote what slots the codebreakers fit i really dont mind either, but the min scout bonuses are all throwed off, neither really go with the minmatar, i liked it better when the min logi was the best hacker. the minmatar are supposed to favor explosive but only the commando gets a bonus and they cant even use grenades and having remotes on a minando isnt really worth it over a nanohive in most cases, and who puts a flaylock on a minando when u coud use 2 massdrivers or an even better combo. making the min scout have a bonus to explosives and maby kincat efficiency would be a good change for that suit, it would make for some good fits whlestill making sure the min is the fastest scout. the fast attack guerrilla warrior like it shuld be.


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