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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:55:00 -
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I am most curious as to the argument that stopped this amazing proposal. Currently, the Amarr Scout is to get Precision, Gallente Dampening and Precision, Caldari Range and Precision...and the Minmatar get what? Hacking? Umm...how can we speed hack a point when we have to use Codebreakers on our suits? Other suits will be able to scan us 88 meters out now even with damps on if an Amarr is proto with two complex precision mods, and we need I believe two or three complex dampners and a proto cloak to hide?!
That is unacceptable. The Minmatar Scout has no ewar advantage saying pick me. At least Codebreakers in highs can allow me to dampen and get close with my knives! I already know how to use low hp, but struggling to get in close when these super scouts come is going to make my life impossible.
Please make Codebreakers high slots, or give me and the Minmatar community a damn good reason for why our main strength (hacking), is taking away from our survival. The Cal may have to sacrifice hp in their shields, but they can still dampen with hardcore precision so other suits can't find them.
Amarr will see you coming from many meters out, so they will flank and you can't find them if they run two damps.
Gallente are just fricikin ghosts.
Minmatar have to use codebreakers, hurting our dampening.
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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:00:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Gallente now share their bonus with Caldari and we lost 10 percent of it, so we aren't really ghost.
True but you'll be closer. And if CCP makes scouts have a bonus to module effacy, perhaps you will get dampening
Caldari Range Amplifiers
Amarr Precision
Minmatar Codebreakers?
I just implore them to be high slots
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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:06:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:IMO You should have to sacrifice tank for your bonus
Gallante sacrifice armor for Damps
Caldari sacrifice shields for precision
Amarr sacrifice armor for range (Why they got precision is beyond me)
Minmatar sacrifice shields for hacking
Exactly. My issue is that sacrificing tank for those suits won't hurt them.
Gallente dampened can't be found, so they don't need tank.
Caldari see you coming, so they need no shields
Amarr will get precision AS well as Range...they will absolutely see you, and they can tank or dampen without impedement.
Minmatar have to give shields for precision, and their hacking reduces our armor as well as dampening. So we are naked. We may see some scouts coming, but Gallente gank us. We may try to hack a point, but Caldari see us
CCP Rattati, may I ask that you change your mind and make damps high
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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:07:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:501st Headstrong wrote:
Why was Codebreakers not moved to High Slots again?
This was attempted but created unanticipated problems. To quote Rattati, "a module has never been moved from Low Slot to High Slot before" ... he didn't say it couldn't be done, only that it would be more difficult than expected.
Even if it has to go till Delta, I can wait. I just have to know it's coming, it's absolutely crucial to Minscouts
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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:46:00 -
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Agrees Boot. And Kincat stacking atill cannot work because they will scan you before you get close. Currently a Gal Scout can hack just as well as a Min Scout since thwy can stack 4 Codebreakers while atill being nicely dampened. Don't change th Gal Scout or penalize them, just have it where we can dampen too
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501st Headstrong
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Posted - 2014.08.01 23:32:00 -
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You require two complex fampners to hide, and can still have two codebreakers, range amps, etc. Min Scouts need three, using all our low slots. We have no Ewar, no scans no range no nothing. You take for granted the tyranny of the Cal Scout and other Precision scouts because your bonus goes towards your survivability. Min Scouts have none. Even when we get past your all-seeing sentries, they are alerted the second we start hacking. We need a speed hack to get it off. The flipping issue is we can't do both simaltanouesly. We either die trying to infiltrate or get killed while hacking with a moderately increased bonus. And yes, Running 3 codebreakers is a necessity. You usually one have 3-4 seconds before you get shotgunned. That is the time we have to hack, and then try and get out. I have only survived a speed hack in a PC once, ans that was with a whole squad keeping hoayikes at bay. That is not an actual speedhack, that is teammates dying for you while you just hack faster. A speedhack is get in hack, get out. No team needed. Currently Minnie's can only speed, but we can't hack. How we get in to hack, but without speed
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:30:00 -
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Larry Desmo wrote:i think the min scout bonuses are not suitable at all the nova knives are a caldari weapon and hacking should be logi specific ability, the min scouts need a whole new set of bonuses.
Such as? All the bonuses are taken
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