DUST Search - legion is a thief petition for ps4 version

Maken Tosch wrote:

Talon Paetznick II wrote:

Ripley Riley wrote:

Talon Paetznick II wrote:

We did not test and help you test and try to perfect dust on the PlayStation to see it moved to PC because IT IS EASEIR FOR YOU

Uhh... when it's easier for CCP to develop for that means higher quality content, more often. That's a good thing. Putting Legion on PC is putting it on a platform that CCP has been developing on for over a decade now. That's a big home field advantage.

ccp has pc locked down they need to stop thinking inside the box the cross platform link allows for an easier to expand player-base and a possibility to do something HUGE no one has ever done (successfully) before

dust stood to be the next big thing BECUASE console met pc in a linked game system across platforms

all im saying is that console players should not be entirely excluded from the EVE universe

There is a problem here. They tried to go cross-platform but failed miserably because CCP didn't have any experience prior to Dust and never developed a FPS game in the past to learn from. On top of that, CCP was trying something that no other company has ever dared to do and that is create a cross-platform universe with a cross-platform economy with two completely different genres (one being console FPS and the other being PC MMO) working together on a single server. Without any such previous game in existence to use as a base model, CCP was literally having to work with just trial and error.

In the end, it didn't work out as CCP kept making a lot of huge mistakes with the game design. The Sony QA process along with an already-aging PS3 console that's been completely overrun by the PS4 just didn't help either. It was inevitable that CCP was forced to have to admit defeat and go back to the PC where they at least know better and they won't have to deal with third-party support like Sony to get the job done this time.

PS: When you try something new, then fail, then try again, then fail again and again, eventually you'll reach a point where you learn that there is no shame in admitting that your very best just isn't enough.

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Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 47	Posted - 2014.07.28 20:17:00 - [1] - Quote I have spent large amounts of time and energy into dust, and legion has killed this the premise on which I began playing dust was that it was free, unique, and dynamic now to have this taken away and have my account more or less ported over from legion as a consolation prize, just like the hotfixes dust is dying and the worst part is they aren't even trying to save it they appear to have presumed it dead and are barely even trying to kill it gently dust was meant for console players. console players who gave their money , time, and loyalty. and in return you violate, abuse, and deceive to us you answer our questions with maybes and more questions that are easier to answer than those first proposed ccp your reasons for moving onto legion are obvious but the reason for a new name and face to expand upon your player-base with 'legion' to recruit more naive players who had little or no knowledge of dust and it's failure do you intend to not only kill dust but sweep it under the rug for it to be forgotten do not make legion the killer off dust and its player-base make legion the ps4 reincarnation of dust keep it console otherwise you stand to lose more than gain you have already secured the pc platform and legion would be but another game on the shelf for a player-base you already have make legion the next big thing not just another nameless game when I saw dust on PSN I was intruged and I came to love it make legion what dust was not but don't make us relive the nightmare twice instead give us someting to hope for make legion the dust that has been finished and keep it console not all of us have a computer rig Dust actually looks savable but you insist it is not if legion is released it is best that dust is made whole first and legion is the finished product but... don't steal it from us we did not test and help you test and try to perfect dust on the PlayStation to see it moved to PC because IT IS EASEIR FOR YOU if you want the PlayStation player base earn it I am scout and the bane of heavys since 1.6
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2552	Posted - 2014.07.28 20:27:00 - [2] - Quote We don't need salvage. We need a game built on a foundation that isn't flawed from the very core. If anything you should be petitioning for a PS4 port of Legion.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2276	Posted - 2014.07.28 20:32:00 - [3] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: We did not test and help you test and try to perfect dust on the PlayStation to see it moved to PC because IT IS EASEIR FOR YOU Uhh... when it's easier for CCP to develop for that means higher quality content, more often. That's a good thing. Putting Legion on PC is putting it on a platform that CCP has been developing on for over a decade now. That's a big home field advantage. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2552	Posted - 2014.07.28 20:37:00 - [4] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: We did not test and help you test and try to perfect dust on the PlayStation to see it moved to PC because IT IS EASEIR FOR YOU Uhh... when it's easier for CCP to develop for that means higher quality content, more often. That's a good thing. Putting Legion on PC is putting it on a platform that CCP has been developing on for over a decade now. That's a big home field advantage. Not to mention is avoids the slow down and cost associated with dealing with Sony's QA process. It is more advantageous that Legion is developed on PC, gotten to a point where it is ready for release, and then port it to PS4 and run it parallel to PC. If the game is in a healthy state, and one would argue that Dust was never in a healthy state, Legion can make due with server-side balance tweaks with major updates every 6 months instead of every 4-6 weeks like they were trying to do with Dust. Not only does this lower development cost, but the ability to run on a test serve in that time helps avoid many of the underlying issues that Dust suffered from.
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 47	Posted - 2014.07.28 20:37:00 - [5] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: We did not test and help you test and try to perfect dust on the PlayStation to see it moved to PC because IT IS EASEIR FOR YOU Uhh... when it's easier for CCP to develop for that means higher quality content, more often. That's a good thing. Putting Legion on PC is putting it on a platform that CCP has been developing on for over a decade now. That's a big home field advantage. ccp has pc locked down they need to stop thinking inside the box the cross platform link allows for an easier to expand player-base and a possibility to do something HUGE no one has ever done (successfully) before dust stood to be the next big thing BECUASE console met pc in a linked game system across platforms all im saying is that console players should not be entirely excluded from the EVE universe I am scout and the bane of heavys since 1.6
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 166	Posted - 2014.07.29 00:59:00 - [6] - Quote simple facts. PC is master race. ease of codeing. higher spec machines way ahead of consoles. keyboard+mouse more HDD space for MORE CONTENT better graphics.. your just a whining little Beotch aintcha? and have you forgotten that ccp said they would keep dust up n running/supported ALONG-SIDE Legion!? ps. the "playstation player base" you speak of is mostly comprised of PC/EVE players who have PS3s anyway.. so no loss of numbers shrug if anything it will increase player numbers Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Pseudogenesis Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 199	Posted - 2014.07.29 03:26:00 - [7] - Quote This thread looks like it was copy pasted straight from one of the threads made at fanfest, put through google translate several times, and then reposted overall 8.5/10 would read again Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8934	Posted - 2014.07.29 03:54:00 - [8] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: We did not test and help you test and try to perfect dust on the PlayStation to see it moved to PC because IT IS EASEIR FOR YOU Uhh... when it's easier for CCP to develop for that means higher quality content, more often. That's a good thing. Putting Legion on PC is putting it on a platform that CCP has been developing on for over a decade now. That's a big home field advantage. ccp has pc locked down they need to stop thinking inside the box the cross platform link allows for an easier to expand player-base and a possibility to do something HUGE no one has ever done (successfully) before dust stood to be the next big thing BECUASE console met pc in a linked game system across platforms all im saying is that console players should not be entirely excluded from the EVE universe There is a problem here. They tried to go cross-platform but failed miserably because CCP didn't have any experience prior to Dust and never developed a FPS game in the past to learn from. On top of that, CCP was trying something that no other company has ever dared to do and that is create a cross-platform universe with a cross-platform economy with two completely different genres (one being console FPS and the other being PC MMO) working together on a single server. Without any previous game in existence to use as a base model, CCP was literally having to work with just trial and error. In the end, it didn't work out as CCP kept making a lot of huge mistakes with the game design. The Sony QA process along with an already-aging PS3 console that's been completely overrun by the PS4 just didn't help either. It was inevitable that CCP was forced to have to admit defeat and go back to the PC where they at least know better and they won't have to deal with third-party support like Sony to get the job done this time. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Omega Black Zero Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.07.29 05:18:00 - [9] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ...an already-aging PS3 console that's been completely overrun by the PS4... Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles PlayStation 3Sony2006>80 million PlayStation 4 GÇáSony2013~9 million Your logic is flawed...
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1549	Posted - 2014.07.29 09:14:00 - [10] - Quote Omega Black Zero wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ...an already-aging PS3 console that's been completely overrun by the PS4... Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles PlayStation 3Sony2006>80 million PlayStation 4 GÇáSony2013~9 million Your logic is flawed... You just cited wikipedia to debunk someone. You really couldn't click on one of the links at the bottom and quote where those numbers originally came from? Really? Wikipedia is a horribly unreliable source and should never be quoted to win any discussion. Your teachers should be ashamed. Fun > Realism

TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn Going for the gold 34	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:24:00 - [11] - Quote I hope Legion doesn't get released any time soon... I need to buy a better pc. Shotgunner for life.
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 167	Posted - 2014.07.29 13:58:00 - [12] - Quote TOOMANY NAMES ALREADYTAKEn wrote: I hope Legion doesn't get released any time soon... I need to buy a better pc. you and me both.. but they are taking their time and at least they have alot of balanced weapon data they can source from dust for legion which helps cut down on some of the time Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 167	Posted - 2014.07.29 14:00:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: We did not test and help you test and try to perfect dust on the PlayStation to see it moved to PC because IT IS EASEIR FOR YOU Uhh... when it's easier for CCP to develop for that means higher quality content, more often. That's a good thing. Putting Legion on PC is putting it on a platform that CCP has been developing on for over a decade now. That's a big home field advantage. ccp has pc locked down they need to stop thinking inside the box the cross platform link allows for an easier to expand player-base and a possibility to do something HUGE no one has ever done (successfully) before dust stood to be the next big thing BECUASE console met pc in a linked game system across platforms all im saying is that console players should not be entirely excluded from the EVE universe There is a problem here. They tried to go cross-platform but failed miserably because CCP didn't have any experience prior to Dust and never developed a FPS game in the past to learn from. On top of that, CCP was trying something that no other company has ever dared to do and that is create a cross-platform universe with a cross-platform economy with two completely different genres (one being console FPS and the other being PC MMO) working together on a single server. Without any such previous game in existence to use as a base model, CCP was literally having to work with just trial and error. In the end, it didn't work out as CCP kept making a lot of huge mistakes with the game design. The Sony QA process along with an already-aging PS3 console that's been completely overrun by the PS4 just didn't help either. It was inevitable that CCP was forced to have to admit defeat and go back to the PC where they at least know better and they won't have to deal with third-party support like Sony to get the job done this time. PS: When you try something new, then fail, then try again, then fail again and again, eventually you'll reach a point where you learn that there is no shame in admitting that your very best just isn't enough. i wouldnt say they failed. did you ever play faction warfare on dust? in eve?.. yes its been a bumpy road and what they gathered from this is valuable data and experience to make legion a game which those of us who are dedicated to EVE and enjoy FPS games Deserve.. and let us not forget that EVE and alot of other MMOs and even FPSs (ie. 12g frags in auto shotgun in bf3) have had alot of trial and error.. all iv seen is some trial and a good game has come from it.. a little error (vehicle and av balancing) but im happy to know they are going to keep dust in line with legion and eve still.. and i look forward to being able to assault iHUBs and such in inclosed spaces in legion and more urban environments and alot more room and ease to make client side changes and tweaks and improvements and more content Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 123	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:38:00 - [14] - Quote CCP knew the limitations of the PS3, they could of started it on PC which would've been better in a long run, but they didn't. My only reason they ported DUST on PS3 was to milk money off the Console Community, then f**ks off after when they made enough $$$$. I mean even in Beta the game is still crap, and poorly ported, they're not showing any dedication to DUST whats so ever even when it was in beta, there's poor gameplay balances and so forth. I could bring Destiny to this to show how better that game is in beta than DUST was. But LoL i just did
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2567	Posted - 2014.07.29 17:44:00 - [15] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: CCP knew the limitations of the PS3, they could of started it on PC which would've been better in a long run, but they didn't. My only reason they ported DUST on PS3 was to milk money off the Console Community, then f**ks off after when they made enough $$$$. I mean even in Beta the game is still crap, and poorly ported, they're not showing any dedication to DUST whats so ever even when it was in beta, there's poor gameplay balances and so forth. I could bring Destiny to this to show how better that game is in beta than DUST was. But LoL i just did Destiny Beta was a Demo, not a Beta. Most Beta's these days are just hype wagons, not actual tools for testing. The only meaningful 'testing' that was done was stress testing the server, but the game itself was just a demo for the final product.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 186	Posted - 2014.07.29 18:01:00 - [16] - Quote i talked to this girl in-game who went to fanfest... She made it sound like CCP did the right thing. Sony slowed their progress. Every update they had to make for Dust had to be approved by Sony and it was a slow rigorous process that CCP got tired of putting up with. Looks like they bit off more than they could chew in the console business. She also said they couldn't tell us anything because of Sony slowing that down in the legal department as well. but it's really no excuse. it just highlights to me even more that CCP are novice video game developers, and think they're all that and a bag of chips because the European neckbeards swoon over their Eve game. nobody cares about your motives or reasoning CCP. it's a cut throat world and console video gaming is a multi billion dollar industry. if you want to put your stakes in the PC market instead, all you're really doing is cutting your losses and chickening out. I think you should EXPAND your company and develop games for BOTH the console and PC markets instead of being panty weights and making yourself look bad to the entire PSN community. CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8937	Posted - 2014.07.29 19:10:00 - [17] - Quote Omega Black Zero wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: ...an already-aging PS3 console that's been completely overrun by the PS4... Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_million-selling_game_consoles PlayStation 3Sony2006>80 million PlayStation 4 GÇáSony2013~9 million Your logic is flawed... One MAJOR problem with that... you cited Wikipedia. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8937	Posted - 2014.07.29 19:19:00 - [18] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: i wouldnt say they failed. did you ever play faction warfare on dust? in eve?.. yes its been a bumpy road and what they gathered from this is valuable data and experience to make legion a game which those of us who are dedicated to EVE and enjoy FPS games Deserve.. and let us not forget that EVE and alot of other MMOs and even FPSs (ie. 12g frags in auto shotgun in bf3) have had alot of trial and error.. all iv seen is some trial and a good game has come from it.. a little error (vehicle and av balancing) but im happy to know they are going to keep dust in line with legion and eve still.. and i look forward to being able to assault iHUBs and such in inclosed spaces in legion and more urban environments and alot more room and ease to make client side changes and tweaks and improvements and more content True. At least now CCP has an actual game to use as a base model for their vision (Dust 514), Legion should be able to do better with all the lessons learned there. They at least now have a second chance but I'm hoping Legion doesn't end up like WoD. FW was a bit fun but was still crap back when I played in April. I don't know if it's improved so far and I think I'm going to play Dust again because of the nova knife changes I'm reading. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 62	Posted - 2014.07.29 19:52:00 - [19] - Quote ccps first mistake was not even trying to develop an actual working economy for dust, they just used that round based battle system to generate isk not actually seeding our part of the universe with claimable, harvestable resources. instead we get forced pvp with no clear reason behind why we are fighting. dust without resources is like eve without asteroids.
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 124	Posted - 2014.07.29 20:49:00 - [20] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: CCP knew the limitations of the PS3, they could of started it on PC which would've been better in a long run, but they didn't. My only reason they ported DUST on PS3 was to milk money off the Console Community, then f**ks off after when they made enough $$$$. I mean even in Beta the game is still crap, and poorly ported, they're not showing any dedication to DUST whats so ever even when it was in beta, there's poor gameplay balances and so forth. I could bring Destiny to this to show how better that game is in beta than DUST was. But LoL i just did Destiny Beta was a Demo, not a Beta. Most Beta's these days are just hype wagons, not actual tools for testing. The only meaningful 'testing' that was done was stress testing the server, but the game itself was just a demo for the final product. Betas aren't Demos. A Beta is a software release life cycle is the sum of the stages of development and maturity for a piece of computer software: ranging from its initial development to its eventual release, and including updated versions of the released version to help improve software or fix bugs still present in the software, which won't happen in Demos. Demos is short for "Demonstration" & as the same says itself to Demonstrate what the game does & showcasing range of features and game mechanics present within the game. While Betas are ongoing in development cycles, demos aren't. See the Difference???



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