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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4561
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:45:00 -
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Can we fix projectile damage profile?
-5 shields
+10 armor
Why do the highest DPS weapons in the game have this ludicrous damage profile?
Fix it!
-10 shields
+10 armor
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2504
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:48:00 -
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Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. |
CommanderBolt
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
1409
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:51:00 -
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I just want to know what the reasoning was in the first place, consider that all of the rest of the weapons have an equal + to - specialisation as far as I am aware.
-=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=-
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
"I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3672
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:52:00 -
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It should be -20/20 like lasers
Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt!
The eyes of God compelles you!!!
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4563
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:57:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:It should be -20/20 like lasers
That's explosives.
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
4824
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:04:00 -
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You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy...
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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RayRay James
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
305
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:06:00 -
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like, dude, really?
This OP was totally tubular. |
Grimmiers
640
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:08:00 -
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-5/5 is something i wanna see. |
RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
635
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:13:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:like, dude, really?
This OP was totally tubular.
I taught him all he knows about "weasing the nugs" and "sponging off of the 'rents".
Stellar posty, Brojo.
PSN: The_Rynoceros
Console Master Race
"It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
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Boot Booter
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
787
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:15:00 -
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Yep probably should be - 5/5
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2506
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:17:00 -
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The issue is that we have 5 Damage Types in Dust and only 4 in EVE."Hybrid-Rail" is weird one and has the profile that Projectile should have had. However they wanted Caldari and Gallente to opposites in Dust so they gave Caldari the opposing damage profile to Gallente and then Projectile got left in a weird spot. Its almost if they gave the Projectile the -5% to shields just so it wouldn't be identical to the Hybrid Rail, but that obviously has its issues. I'd be satisfied if it moved to -10%/+10% or -5%/+5%. Hell if you really want to get weird you could go -15%/+15% if you want. As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. |
Daddrobit
You Can Call Me Daddy
709
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:18:00 -
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Grimmiers wrote:-5/5 is something i wanna see.
I think this as well. -10+10 would be stepping on the toes of the RR in my opinion.
Making it have a small penalty along with an equally small bonus makes it more of an "always adaptable" kind of weapon as opposed to the current "I'm going to shove my boot so far up your ass you're going to be able to tie my laces with your tongue and taste leather for a week" kind of weapon that we have currently.
#SaveTheBreach
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10928
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:19:00 -
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That's already the same profile as Hybrid - Railgun weaponry.
I think +5%/-5% is appropriate.
And nothing of value was lost that day...
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7863
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:22:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:As long as they're equal, that's what matters most.
-99/99?
King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2252
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:25:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy...
Are you just upset enough to include this in hotfix Charlie? 
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2509
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:55:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. -99/99?
Haha well that's a bit extreme but would be pretty funny to play with in a testing environment. |
Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4570
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:58:00 -
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Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%?
Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could.
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2510
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:02:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%?
Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could.
The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill? |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
7865
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:08:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%?
Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could. The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill?
Small bonus to both?
King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2510
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:12:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%?
Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could. The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill? Small bonus to both?
That's an option, though the EVE player in me is twitching saying "KINETIC DOESN'T DO NEUTRAL DAMAGE!" but don't mind me. |
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:33:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same.
Then what is point having weapons that are better against shields if all the rifles have the same damage profiles?
If anything it should be
CR -10 shield/+10 armor
RR +10 shileds/ -10 armor
AR 0 shields/ 0 armor
The CR being less effective against shields, the RR being less effective against armor and the AR being equal to both since it hybrid.
The numbers are made up just for the example. |
Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
3054
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:54:00 -
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0/0 yea, Killar is nuts here... but lets think, Projectiles in EVE are the most versatile in terms of damage types, so might as well have them have a fairly even profile to reflect that.
I am an Idiot, and so are you!
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4575
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:00:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. Then what is point having weapons that are better against shields if all the rifles have the same damage profiles? .
Wat?
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1673
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:05:00 -
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+1
(Even as a hardcore minmitar fanatic)
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1673
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:07:00 -
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-10/+10 is what it should be.
Fixes the most complained about weapons in each class-CR, SMG, and HMG
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4576
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:11:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:-10/+10 is what it should be.
Fixes the most complained about weapons in each class-CR, SMG, and HMG
It's the first step to fixing it. It could be the last if everything turns out alright, but no one will know until they change it.
Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
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voidfaction
Void of Faction
350
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:49:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy...
yeah, I can.
Leave it be. and change the Cal Rail Rifle to -20 shield +20 armor because it has to be standardized vs Amarr and minmitar is suposed to be different from everyone else and balanced so make it do just flat dmg. We will also fix Proficiency skill to give 3% to both armor and shield to keep it balanced.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2515
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:54:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. Then what is point having weapons that are better against shields if all the rifles have the same damage profiles? If anything it should be CR -10 shield/+10 armor RR +10 shileds/ -10 armor AR 0 shields/ 0 armor The CR being less effective against shields, the RR being less effective against armor and the AR being equal to both since it hybrid. The numbers are made up just for the example.
What are you taking about? I never said they would have all the same damage profile, I said the deltas for armor and shield deltas need to be the same on weapons, opposed to the current Kinetic where the deltas are different values. |
Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2631
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:59:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. -99/99? Haha well that's a bit extreme but would be pretty funny to play with in a testing environment.
Equips allotek Flux grenade and Ishukone gauged nano hive.
Tanker/Logi
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
4581
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:33:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... yeah, I can. Leave it be. and change the Cal Rail Rifle to -20 shield +20 armor because it has to be standardized vs Amarr and minmitar is suposed to be different from everyone else and balanced so make it do just flat dmg. We will also fix Proficiency skill to give 3% to both armor and shield to keep it balanced.
Wait is that your opinion or your sarcastic vision of how rattati feels? I can't read sarcasm through text, lol.
Oh god I've contracted the LOL virus. HELP ME!
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