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Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4561	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:45:00 - [1] - Quote Can we fix projectile damage profile? -5 shields +10 armor Why do the highest DPS weapons in the game have this ludicrous damage profile? Fix it! -10 shields +10 armor Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2504	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:48:00 - [2] - Quote Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same.
CommanderBolt Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 1409	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:51:00 - [3] - Quote I just want to know what the reasoning was in the first place, consider that all of the rest of the weapons have an equal + to - specialisation as far as I am aware. -=#[ Gastun's Forge ]#=- MY LIFE FOR AIUR! "I'm wasting away here" - "Get me back into zee fight!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3672	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:52:00 - [4] - Quote It should be -20/20 like lasers Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4563	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:57:00 - [5] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: It should be -20/20 like lasers That's explosives. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4824	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:04:00 - [6] - Quote You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 305	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:06:00 - [7] - Quote like, dude, really? This OP was totally tubular.
Grimmiers 640	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:08:00 - [8] - Quote -5/5 is something i wanna see.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 635	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:13:00 - [9] - Quote RayRay James wrote: like, dude, really? This OP was totally tubular. I taught him all he knows about "weasing the nugs" and "sponging off of the 'rents". Stellar posty, Brojo. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Boot Booter Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 787	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:15:00 - [10] - Quote Yep probably should be - 5/5 What happened to the repair tool glow? Why won't CCP answer? Conspiracy?

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2506	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:17:00 - [11] - Quote The issue is that we have 5 Damage Types in Dust and only 4 in EVE."Hybrid-Rail" is weird one and has the profile that Projectile should have had. However they wanted Caldari and Gallente to opposites in Dust so they gave Caldari the opposing damage profile to Gallente and then Projectile got left in a weird spot. Its almost if they gave the Projectile the -5% to shields just so it wouldn't be identical to the Hybrid Rail, but that obviously has its issues. I'd be satisfied if it moved to -10%/+10% or -5%/+5%. Hell if you really want to get weird you could go -15%/+15% if you want. As long as they're equal, that's what matters most.
Daddrobit You Can Call Me Daddy 709	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:18:00 - [12] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: -5/5 is something i wanna see. I think this as well. -10+10 would be stepping on the toes of the RR in my opinion. Making it have a small penalty along with an equally small bonus makes it more of an "always adaptable" kind of weapon as opposed to the current "I'm going to shove my boot so far up your ass you're going to be able to tie my laces with your tongue and taste leather for a week" kind of weapon that we have currently. #SaveTheBreach
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10928	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:19:00 - [13] - Quote That's already the same profile as Hybrid - Railgun weaponry. I think +5%/-5% is appropriate. And nothing of value was lost that day... -HAND
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7863	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:22:00 - [14] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. -99/99? King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2252	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:25:00 - [15] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... Are you just upset enough to include this in hotfix Charlie? He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2509	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:55:00 - [16] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. -99/99? Haha well that's a bit extreme but would be pretty funny to play with in a testing environment.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4570	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:58:00 - [17] - Quote Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%? Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2510	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:02:00 - [18] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%? Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could. The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill?
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7865	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:08:00 - [19] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%? Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could. The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill? Small bonus to both? King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2510	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:12:00 - [20] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Being already high DPS weapons, if we were to implement -5% +5% you approach a flat DPS, where there is less polarity to defend yourself. Shields would be as ineffective as they are and armor would still be fairly vulnerable because we are talking high DPS weapons. I wouldn't mind seeing -5% +5%, as long as they are equal, but again would a weapon be OP if it has high DPS and -0% +0%? Think about that, for instance, a Scrambler rifle that didn't do any more shield damage but didn't do any less armor damage. What would stop that weapon? How would you defend yourself? I don't think you could. The issue with 0/0 is do you define that as an Anti Armor or Anti Shield weapon when looking at the proficiency skill? Small bonus to both? That's an option, though the EVE player in me is twitching saying "KINETIC DOESN'T DO NEUTRAL DAMAGE!" but don't mind me.

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:33:00 - [21] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. Then what is point having weapons that are better against shields if all the rifles have the same damage profiles? If anything it should be CR -10 shield/+10 armor RR +10 shileds/ -10 armor AR 0 shields/ 0 armor The CR being less effective against shields, the RR being less effective against armor and the AR being equal to both since it hybrid. The numbers are made up just for the example.
Killar-12 The Exemplars Top Men. 3054	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:54:00 - [22] - Quote 0/0 yea, Killar is nuts here... but lets think, Projectiles in EVE are the most versatile in terms of damage types, so might as well have them have a fairly even profile to reflect that. I am an Idiot, and so are you!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4575	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:00:00 - [23] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. Then what is point having weapons that are better against shields if all the rifles have the same damage profiles? . Wat? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1673	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:05:00 - [24] - Quote +1 (Even as a hardcore minmitar fanatic) "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1673	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:07:00 - [25] - Quote -10/+10 is what it should be. Fixes the most complained about weapons in each class-CR, SMG, and HMG "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4576	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:11:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: -10/+10 is what it should be. Fixes the most complained about weapons in each class-CR, SMG, and HMG It's the first step to fixing it. It could be the last if everything turns out alright, but no one will know until they change it. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
voidfaction Void of Faction 350	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:49:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... yeah, I can. Leave it be. and change the Cal Rail Rifle to -20 shield +20 armor because it has to be standardized vs Amarr and minmitar is suposed to be different from everyone else and balanced so make it do just flat dmg. We will also fix Proficiency skill to give 3% to both armor and shield to keep it balanced.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2515	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:54:00 - [28] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Id actually vote for a -5/+5 so its not identical to Hybrid Rail at -10/+10, but the concept is the same. Armor and Shield damage deltas need to be the same. Then what is point having weapons that are better against shields if all the rifles have the same damage profiles? If anything it should be CR -10 shield/+10 armor RR +10 shileds/ -10 armor AR 0 shields/ 0 armor The CR being less effective against shields, the RR being less effective against armor and the AR being equal to both since it hybrid. The numbers are made up just for the example. What are you taking about? I never said they would have all the same damage profile, I said the deltas for armor and shield deltas need to be the same on weapons, opposed to the current Kinetic where the deltas are different values.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2631	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:59:00 - [29] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. -99/99? Haha well that's a bit extreme but would be pretty funny to play with in a testing environment. Equips allotek Flux grenade and Ishukone gauged nano hive. Tanker/Logi
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4581	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:33:00 - [30] - Quote voidfaction wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... yeah, I can. Leave it be. and change the Cal Rail Rifle to -20 shield +20 armor because it has to be standardized vs Amarr and minmitar is suposed to be different from everyone else and balanced so make it do just flat dmg. We will also fix Proficiency skill to give 3% to both armor and shield to keep it balanced. Wait is that your opinion or your sarcastic vision of how rattati feels? I can't read sarcasm through text, lol. Oh god I've contracted the LOL virus. HELP ME! Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!

Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2518	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:34:00 - [31] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Wait is that your opinion or your sarcastic vision of how rattati feels? I can't read sarcasm through text, lol. Oh god I've contracted the LOL virus. HELP ME! I bet you didn't even actually laugh, scum.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4581	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:38:00 - [32] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: As long as they're equal, that's what matters most. -99/99? Haha well that's a bit extreme but would be pretty funny to play with in a testing environment. Equips allotek Flux grenade and Ishukone gauged nano hive. IKR There would be no survivors. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
The Eristic Dust 90210 586	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:53:00 - [33] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... Do you feel like we do? Here's a thread I made a couple weeks back with some numbers and discussion: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=167256 Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3701	Posted - 2014.07.25 22:05:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... And i have the cure for the plagued shield sentinels. Just click on my signature for instant medication. New shield module!
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 129	Posted - 2014.07.25 22:22:00 - [35] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... And i have the cure for the plagued shield sentinels. Just click on my signature for instant medication. unless stacking penility then thats bad because of the way percents work
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2523	Posted - 2014.07.25 22:31:00 - [36] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: The dark cloud wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... And i have the cure for the plagued shield sentinels. Just click on my signature for instant medication. unless stacking penility then thats bad because of the way percents work With very rare exception, percentage based modules always have a standard stacking penalty
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4586	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:14:00 - [37] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: 843-Vika wrote: The dark cloud wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: You can probably imagine how I feel about this discrepancy... And i have the cure for the plagued shield sentinels. Just click on my signature for instant medication. unless stacking penility then thats bad because of the way percents work With very rare exception, percentage based modules always have a standard stacking penalty Thread hijackers Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3676	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:32:00 - [38] - Quote Alright hold on, let's try not to break eve lore so much. Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4589	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:48:00 - [39] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Alright hold on, let's try not to break eve lore so much. This is First Person Shooter. EVE comes second when it comes to making game mechanics function. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!


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