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calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1791	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:13:00 - [1] - Quote Ok we have all been here or at least I have. Go 18-1 over 1500 WP come in second place, first place was a tanker. My team does not show up at all. I am doing the best I can and wait for it, load screen and WTF 136K ISK and only 3200 SP. Ok so flip the script, now on the team now steam rolling the other team. No one but a few come out of the red line the whole match and wait for it again WTF 160K ISK and just a hair over 4K SP. Ok CCP I give up what is the magic formula for ISK and SP. I cant force my team to play nor the other team so why am I being punished for trying? Seriously this is not funny. Now I know why no one is trying anymore for you get the same ISK and WP just for AFK'ing. So can someone at CCP spill the beans and just tell us already how do you calculate the ISK and SP rewards at the end of the match? Closed Beta Vet and Retired Heavy. Assaults 07
boba's fetta Shining Flame Amarr Empire 776	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:19:00 - [2] - Quote lots of people must die. points must be scored.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16003	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:21:00 - [3] - Quote Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1791	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:38:00 - [4] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? Closed Beta Vet and Retired Heavy. Assaults 07
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1908	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:57:00 - [5] - Quote calvin b wrote: snip Now I know why no one is trying anymore for you get the same ISK and WP just for AFK'ing. I was AFKi-AWOXING Pubs last Winter over the out of control nerfing after we had been promised just that Summer/Fall by the Devs that they were going to be more carful. Part of me wants to do it now just to be a jackass. calvin b wrote: So can someone at CCP spill the beans and just tell us already how do you calculate the ISK and SP rewards at the end of the match? That would invite critique. Nothing gets more messy than economic related values and open math equations to debate it. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 621	Posted - 2014.07.25 08:42:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. You'll just repeat anything you've heard before as if it were fact. If you actually played the game, or could hold yourself upright in this game, then you'd know that statement is entirely false. Run an 80 Clone Ambush. Average length of battle is about 8 minutes. Run a 20 minute long, 150 Clone Domination - Victory by Clone Depletion Look at the difference in payouts. They're about the same, although time in battle and clones are doubled in Domination. Plus, vehicles and Installations are allowed (meaning even more, massive amounts of ISK on the table) The ISK rewarded is not based on what YOU destroyed, either. It is based on what position you ended up at on the final Killfeed, which is WP justified, not Kills or more appropriately, ISK destroyed - because that is what the majority of this game boils down to. System is broke. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.07.25 08:51:00 - [7] - Quote Please send us a Support Ticket with the exact date and approximate time /EVE time if possible, not your local/ these battles occurred, and we can check this for you. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3667	Posted - 2014.07.25 09:33:00 - [8] - Quote Because you're a gallente Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 173	Posted - 2014.07.25 10:05:00 - [9] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. You'll just repeat anything you've heard before as if it were fact. If you actually played the game, or could hold yourself upright in this game, then you'd know that statement is entirely false. Run an 80 Clone Ambush. Average length of battle is about 8 minutes. Run a 20 minute long, 150 Clone Domination - Victory by Clone Depletion Look at the difference in payouts. They're about the same, although time in battle and clones are doubled in Domination. Plus, vehicles and Installations are allowed (meaning even more, massive amounts of ISK on the table) The ISK rewarded is not based on what YOU destroyed, either. It is based on what position you ended up at on the final Killfeed, which is WP justified, not Kills or more appropriately, ISK destroyed - because that is what the majority of this game boils down to. System is broke. And you throw accusations around while missing important details. Like killing proto getting you more isk, and dying less, and WP itself being the most important factor. CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:06:00 - [10] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Please send us a Support Ticket with the exact date and approximate time /EVE time if possible, not your local/ these battles occurred, and we can check this for you. Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P

Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:33:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. And how could you possibly know how they deal out the winnings when you dont play more than like 3 hours a month. Yeah dude i looked at your life time stats (and your monthly and weekly) and i gotta say you should just stop typing as if you know anything about this game. BTW in case you forgot what your stats were i will remind you WP 723797, KILLS 7026, K/D 1.17 and your kills for this month are 90. Thats it 90 kills for the entire month. -_- you should so not be typing anything at all on the forums let alone typing like you know anything. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 224	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:37:00 - [12] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. Just trying to help. Sorry, I guess. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:40:00 - [13] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. Just trying to help. Sorry, I guess. unless you're a developer you got nothing to apologize for. They are the ones to blame for the crap mechanics (and their love of stupid virtual trees -_-) I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3667	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:46:00 - [14] - Quote Class "A" dipsh*t^ Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:51:00 - [15] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Class "A" dipsht^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsht. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 732	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:59:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. And both are affected by how many WP you gain You might come second with 25 kills and 3 deaths - but the logi that farmed WP on his uplinks and hives and then stood far away in a corner for the rest of the match going 0/0 and made 1500 SP more than you i is getting all you munny. I's no wonder people can't afford to run good stuff, actually playing the game is punished.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 298	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:05:00 - [17] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Class "A" dipsht^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsht. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. You don't have to be a d!ck to prove your point though. A GM came into the thread to try and help and you were a total a$$hole to him. Way to make sure they come back and try and help again.
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:11:00 - [18] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Class "A" dipsht^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsht. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. You don't have to be a d!ck to prove your point though. A GM came into the thread to try and help and you were a total a$$hole to him. Way to make sure they come back and try and help again. I wasnt being a ** (until you started putting in your forum warrior opinion) i was merely pointing out the truth about putting in a ticket. And like i said before if you dont like what i type then dont read what i type. End of discussion and have a pleasant day I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P**
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 298	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:45:00 - [19] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: RayRay James wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Class "A" dipsht^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsht. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. You don't have to be a d!ck to prove your point though. A GM came into the thread to try and help and you were a total a$$hole to him. Way to make sure they come back and try and help again. I wasnt being a **** (until you started putting in your forum warrior opinion) i was merely pointing out the truth about putting in a ticket. And like i said before if you dont like what i type then dont read what i type. End of discussion and have a pleasant day You have roughly the same likes than me, yet I'm the forum warrior? Forum warriors are in the thousands. Where's that Big Lebowski meme... I know it's around here somewhere.... Ah, there it is
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2248	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:58:00 - [20] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. Just trying to help. Sorry, I guess. Leanna, CCP doesn't talk to us often enough as is, please don't **** all over them when they do talk to us, m'kay pumpkin? He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...

Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 222	Posted - 2014.07.25 13:04:00 - [21] - Quote Last game 600k+ isks. Maybe because im caldari, and CCP loves caldaris. Or i actually done right/hard job on battlefield. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6721	Posted - 2014.07.25 13:21:00 - [22] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Last game 600k+ isks. Maybe because im caldari, and CCP loves caldaris. Or i actually done right/hard job on battlefield. we all know doing your job on the battlefield is not rewarded see you space cowboy...
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 222	Posted - 2014.07.25 13:34:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Last game 600k+ isks. Maybe because im caldari, and CCP loves caldaris. Or i actually done right/hard job on battlefield. we all know doing your job on the battlefield is not rewarded It is. Kill>hack = money WP guys. Make as much as you can. Edit. Forgot to ask. Calvin you said you get 160k.. how much you spend? You know.. its better to lose 60k and get 160k than get 600k and lose 1-3milions. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6724	Posted - 2014.07.25 14:54:00 - [24] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Last game 600k+ isks. Maybe because im caldari, and CCP loves caldaris. Or i actually done right/hard job on battlefield. we all know doing your job on the battlefield is not rewarded It is. Kill>hack = money WP guys. Make as much as you can. Edit. Forgot to ask. Calvin you said you get 160k.. how much you spend? You know.. its better to lose 60k and get 160k than get 600k and lose 1-3milions. Logistics > Kill I can go 2x - x and still be in 6th place somewhere because a bunch of Logis set up shop on a rooftop somewhere and keep getting WP off each other and their team. see you space cowboy...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2250	Posted - 2014.07.25 14:57:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Logistics > Kill I can go 2x - x and still be in 6th place somewhere because a bunch of Logis set up shop on a rooftop somewhere and keep getting WP off each other and their team. The merc's name escapes me, but I kept getting teamed up with a logi one night that would frequently go 0/1 or 1/0 with 1500 - 2500 WP's. He was doing his job well, and I benefited from his nanohives, but that is INSANE. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Cornballs Get Stonewalled 965	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:07:00 - [26] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: Stupid virtual trees . Oh , so that's what those gray and green things are . Just can't tell sometimes while looking at all of the other gray and green things , I get confused . The only thing that doesn't confuse me is that loud blue of the Caldari Commando , that's just uninspiring . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 627	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:08:00 - [27] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Last game 600k+ isks. Maybe because im caldari, and CCP loves caldaris. Or i actually done right/hard job on battlefield. Pics... I've never seen a pub payout over 450,000. Most matches, 250,000 is a high number. I hack. I throw Uplinks. I usually have the most Kills on my Team, with at least 20. If there is no Logi support, I'll usually have the top spot on the Killboard - where the payouts are between 150,000 and 200,000. The average Advanced suit is worth 25-70,000 ISK, right? That means that I'm only being rewarded for 3-6 Kills. Time in Battle payout needs to be increased significantly, too. Domination matches last much longer and usually pay the same, if not worse than the other 2 modes. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 395	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:44:00 - [28] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Last game 600k+ isks. Maybe because im caldari, and CCP loves caldaris. Or i actually done right/hard job on battlefield. Pics... I've never seen a pub payout over 450,000. Most matches, 250,000 is a high number. I hack. I throw Uplinks. I usually have the most Kills on my Team, with at least 20. If there is no Logi support, I'll usually have the top spot on the Killboard - where the payouts are between 150,000 and 200,000. The average Advanced suit is worth 25-70,000 ISK, right? That means that I'm only being rewarded for 3-6 Kills. Time in Battle payout needs to be increased significantly, too. Domination matches last much longer and usually pay the same, if not worse than the other 2 modes. No pics but I've ran logi in a Dom on the Research Lab map and gotten 500,000 - 600,000 several times. But it has to be a good fight and you have to get kills along with your logistical support.

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 225	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:50:00 - [29] - Quote The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:50:00 - [30] - Quote calvin b wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? you can't afk because you will be removed from the battle after a set period of time being inactive

RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 303	Posted - 2014.07.25 16:38:00 - [31] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from. I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280. I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K. I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice. It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 303	Posted - 2014.07.25 16:39:00 - [32] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: calvin b wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? you can't afk because you will be removed from the battle after a set period of time being inactive Sure you can, rubber band your analog sticks together and run around in a circle.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.07.25 16:56:00 - [33] - Quote RayRay James wrote: GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from. I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280. I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K. I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice. It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that as squad leader, but not top of the board the rest of my squad being at the top, all squad mates got over 2000 wp. i got the 545,000. never happens solo with 2000 wp it seems we get on extra amount for the whole squad to be in first thru fifth and every ticket i have made has ended more than satisfactory strangeland stranger and I both thank you gm archduke Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 303	Posted - 2014.07.25 16:58:00 - [34] - Quote gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: RayRay James wrote: GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from. I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280. I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K. I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice. It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that as squad leader, but not top of the board the rest of my squad being at the top, all squad mates got over 2000 wp. i got the 545,000. never happens solo with 2000 wp it seems we get on extra amount for the whole squad to be in first thru fifth and every ticket i have made has ended more than satisfactory strangeland stranger and I both thank you gm archduke Oh, I understand the squad vs no squad scenario. All of the above scenarios were part of a squad and I do squad lead and it doesn't make much of a difference in isk payout.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:39:00 - [35] - Quote RayRay James wrote: gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote: RayRay James wrote: GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from. I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280. I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K. I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice. It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that as squad leader, but not top of the board the rest of my squad being at the top, all squad mates got over 2000 wp. i got the 545,000. never happens solo with 2000 wp it seems we get on extra amount for the whole squad to be in first thru fifth and every ticket i have made has ended more than satisfactory strangeland stranger and I both thank you gm archduke Oh, I understand the squad vs no squad scenario. All of the above scenarios were part of a squad and I do squad lead and it doesn't make much of a difference in isk payout. i dont know why i got so much isk for 5and6 in fifth place Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
Derpty Derp It's All Gone Derp 224	Posted - 2014.07.25 17:50:00 - [36] - Quote isk payouts I've not noticed anything wrong with unless you join late... Only thing is to get a high payout it usually means I've got 3 or 4 times the wp of second place (which means we lost and it was a **** battle, but pleanty of enemy vehicles went boom!) Though 1k wp is usually over 200k... Perhaps you need to blow up more vehicles?
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 265	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:37:00 - [37] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: No what i think he is trying to say is that the isk payouts are complete ** for the amount of gear people are losing to tank stompers. Think of it this way you play a match you're doing good you even captured a few objectives all of a sudden the tank spam on the enemy team begins. You end up spending the entire match destroying tanks but lose the battle. Not only did you die about 15 times to tankers (this is why they should have never lowered the price of tanks in the first play) shooting the out of you but you managed to collect a massive 5000 wp which i should say is awesome. Only problem is your team lost so that 5000 wp to the stupid mechanics on this game doesnt mean so you are only awarded 150k in isk. So yeah i agree with op its either broken or CCP is just trolling non tanking players (apparently ccp loves tanks and they nerf everything so tanks are the only useful thing in the game). Its not viable at this point in time to do anything but afk and earn isk I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P**
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 265	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:44:00 - [38] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: RayRay James wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Class "A" dipsht^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsht. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. You don't have to be a d!ck to prove your point though. A GM came into the thread to try and help and you were a total a$$hole to him. Way to make sure they come back and try and help again. I wasnt being a ** (until you started putting in your forum warrior opinion) i was merely pointing out the truth about putting in a ticket. And like i said before if you dont like what i type then dont read what i type. End of discussion and have a pleasant day says the one who hopped onto an alt character -_- you dont fool anyone dude I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P**
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 636	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:45:00 - [39] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? Punishment was a bad choice of words (English isn't his primary language), but can you not admit that the system is wrong? Why does every CCP Representative dance around discussing the actual issue that, if you could decipher context clues, would be obvious as to what the topic is about? You guys will contribute 4 or 5 posts in a thread, debating minutia, and rarely actually contribute to the conversation. What's up with that? PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 265	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:48:00 - [40] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: GM Archduke wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. Just trying to help. Sorry, I guess. Leanna, CCP doesn't talk to us often enough as is, please don't ** all over them when they do talk to us, m'kay pumpkin? CCP doesnt talk to us because they dont give a . If they did the developers would be on here answering the OPs question of how isk and sp are determined rather than letting some poor GM answer for them by saying "send in a ticket". I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P**

Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2253	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:49:00 - [41] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: You guys will contribute 4 or 5 posts in a thread, debating minutia, and rarely actually contribute to the conversation. What's up with that? CCP Rattati has had a better track record than his peers, but yeah, they do that. If they commit to something then they will be held responsible to follow through with it, and they don't want that. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 2253	Posted - 2014.07.25 18:53:00 - [42] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: CCP doesn't talk to us because they don't give a ****. If they did the developers would be on here answering the OPs question of how isk and sp are determined rather than letting some poor GM answer for them by saying "send in a ticket". It's entirely possible that they don't want the formula discussed in length so it couldn't be exploited/gamed... A GM is asking for a ticket to be opened so that if something is wrong with the formula they can investigate. If it isn't working as intended then CCP can adjust it accordingly (ISK/SP rewards are made server side, I believe). He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...

GM Archduke Game Masters C C P Alliance 225	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:17:00 - [43] - Quote Let's see. Correct, we can't just go and discuss in detail how exactly this works. We can hint on some parts, explain others, but at least we in CS are not supposed to give out the exact mechanics for this. Maybe this will change, who knows. Also, we are not working on the Forum, we are working on Support Tickets. Me posting here every now and then is merely the result of not having much to do after work. A mix of trying to help DUST 514 Mercenaries, loving the game, and just generally being bored when I'm off shift. Personally I don't think the reward system is broken. I don't have unlimited ISK on CCP Archduke - in fact, my personal character has a lot more - and it makes me think and plan more, be more careful in battle. And sometimes I struggle to restock my fittings. Short on ISK? Use standard fittings, or even the Starter Fittings for a while. I don't think the reward system was ever supposed to cope with losing 10-15 full proto /or advanced-proto mix, or maybe even full advanced/ fittings. All in all, I suggested the Support Ticket for a good reason. These issues should be handled through our Ticket system - and Leanna is probably half-right. I do suspect that there was nothing wrong. But we would also explain why calvin received the rewards he received. GM Archduke CCP Customer Support \| EVE Online \| DUST 514

Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7867	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:20:00 - [44] - Quote A wild GM appears! King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1241	Posted - 2014.07.25 19:33:00 - [45] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. Just trying to help. Sorry, I guess. You are much nicer than I would be. Leanna, You're an ass.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:02:00 - [46] - Quote RayRay James wrote: 843-Vika wrote: calvin b wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? you can't afk because you will be removed from the battle after a set period of time being inactive Sure you can, rubber band your analog sticks together and run around in a circle. and when you get killed and don't respawn what then? I personally have sniped red line afkers and watched them get dropped from the battle.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:09:00 - [47] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: GM Archduke wrote: No what i think he is trying to say is that the isk payouts are complete ** for the amount of gear people are losing to tank stompers. Think of it this way you play a match you're doing good you even captured a few objectives all of a sudden the tank spam on the enemy team begins. You end up spending the entire match destroying tanks but lose the battle. Not only did you die about 15 times to tankers (this is why they should have never lowered the price of tanks in the first play) shooting the out of you but you managed to collect a massive 5000 wp which i should say is awesome. Only problem is your team lost so that 5000 wp to the stupid mechanics on this game doesnt mean ** so you are only awarded 150k in isk. So yeah i agree with op its either broken or CCP is just trolling non tanking players (apparently ccp loves tanks and they nerf everything so tanks are the only useful thing in the game). Its not viable at this point in time to do anything but afk and earn isk Awwwwww a QQer that gets killed by tanks.......dude seriously tanks are not they unstoppable, try setting groups of proxy mines on known tank routes, try using av nade after you took out its shielding with your forge, try a flux nade then use swarms......the only real problem is when people dont bother to try and kill the tanks and come on forums qqing how tanks need be nerfed because they can't kill them
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 16012	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:10:00 - [48] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. And both are affected by how many WP you gain You might come second with 25 kills and 3 deaths - but the logi that farmed WP on his uplinks and hives and then stood far away in a corner for the rest of the match going 0/0 and made 1500 SP more than you i is getting all you munny. I's no wonder people can't afford to run good stuff, actually playing the game is punished. Correct; my highest paying game was when we destroyed about 16 havs at 4 million isk I came in third on winning side of a cloned out 150 skirmish. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 986	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:10:00 - [49] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: RayRay James wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Class "A" dipsht^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsht. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. You don't have to be a d!ck to prove your point though. A GM came into the thread to try and help and you were a total a$$hole to him. Way to make sure they come back and try and help again. I wasnt being a **** (until you started putting in your forum warrior opinion) i was merely pointing out the truth about putting in a ticket. And like i said before if you dont like what i type then dont read what i type. End of discussion and have a pleasant day Ummm, if you don't like what he wrote then don't read it. Same logic. I wonder though how you would know if you don't like what he wrote if you didn't read it. Anyhow, you were being an ass. Because, that's why.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 987	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:20:00 - [50] - Quote Every complaint about ISK I have read seems merely to be people wanting to run whatever they want, whenever they want. The whole purpose of ISK is to limit you and give value to your actions. If your actions aren't rewarding you then change them, don't expect the game to conform to your opinions and preferences. Because, that's why.

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:26:00 - [51] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: don't expect the game to conform to your opinions and preferences. That's the best response to any thread i have read. Why the QQers expect the game to adapt to them, instead of adapt to the game is beyond me........
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2361	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:32:00 - [52] - Quote KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:40:00 - [53] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: RayRay James wrote: Sure you can, rubber band your analog sticks together and run around in a circle. and when you get killed and don't respawn what then? I personally have sniped red line afkers and watched them get dropped from the battle. Then you should have heated up your burrito or pooped faster
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:40:00 - [54] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. Sure, throw my 45 mil sp gal pro logi / forge / ads in with the kids that have > 1.0 KD/R, I won't mind.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:42:00 - [55] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: don't expect the game to conform to your opinions and preferences. That's the best response to any thread i have read. Why the QQers expect the game to adapt to them, instead of adapt to the game is beyond me........ Because complaining is so much easier than learning
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2361	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:45:00 - [56] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. Sure, throw my 45 mil sp gal pro logi / forge / ads in with the kids that have > 1.0 KD/R, I won't mind. Not at first you won't. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.07.25 20:51:00 - [57] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2362	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:00:00 - [58] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know Scrubs like me? Or scrubs like Rattati? K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8915	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:02:00 - [59] - Quote calvin b wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction. SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? Were you absolutely sure, beyond a shadow of any doubt, that those vehicles you destroyed were of high value compared to the rest? If many of them were militia variants, that could hurt your rewards. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:07:00 - [60] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know Scrubs like me? Or scrubs like Rattati? "cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers" straight from Rattati posting KDR is not a good choice because of high killing and low death tankers and snipers......WP/D is similar but different then KDR......so if you think KDR match making is good then yes your a scrub.......... Oh next time find a dev post that supports your thinking......because that one was not good in your favor.........

Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2362	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:14:00 - [61] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know Scrubs like me? Or scrubs like Rattati? "cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers" straight from Rattati posting KDR is not a good choice because of high killing and low death tankers and snipers......WP/D is similar but different then KDR......so if you think KDR match making is good then yes your a scrub.......... Oh next time find a dev post that supports your thinking......because that one was not good in your favor......... Snipers would self fix, I explained that a few posts later, with no overt rebuttal. Nice use of huge elipses, though. Have fun re-watching Twilight tonight. I have a feeling KDR matchmaking can't fix that. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Peregrinuus 6	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:19:00 - [62] - Quote calvin b wrote: The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? A statement that can't apply to FW any better than it already does. Someone who AFK's in the MCC gets the exact same standings increase and LP payout (bar standing level to increase LP payout) as I do no matter how much I contributed to the team. Hi.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1795	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:25:00 - [63] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? The punishment is from you trying to gain WP or ISK and the other side refuses to play. I get punished for showing up and trying to do something and get very little in return while others sit in the red line and get the same ISK and SP payout. To answer your other question about a ticket, ya tried it in the past when I lost equipment to a bug and all I got was " it looks fine on our end nothing to see here, move on". I am going to run 10 battles of AFK and 10 where I do participate and I will post the end screen shots to show what I mean. I am not trying to an asshat but I am just trying to fix something most are aware of. Ty for your response. Closed Beta Vet and Retired Heavy. Assaults 07
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:28:00 - [64] - Quote Peregrinuus wrote: calvin b wrote: The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? A statement that can't apply to FW any better than it already does. Someone who AFK's in the MCC gets the exact same standings increase and LP payout (bar standing level to increase LP payout) as I do no matter how much I contributed to the team. I might just start doing that in FW...0/0 kdr for same results.....what is better then that? BEING SARCASTIC
Thrillhouse Van Houten Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 84	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:30:00 - [65] - Quote The payouts are a joke. Destruction of ISK (if that is indeed the metric used) is a **** way to reward ISK. So I often go 4/10 with 1300WP or 1/5 with 2200WP or something with my contribution and WP score based almost entirely off of Logistics points. I hop into AV and blow up tanks or DSs often these days. I will concede that I die more than I "should" and that probably doesn't help my payout, but I'm a LOGI. I risk my suit and run out into crossfires to revive and repair fallen comrades often. Often, it gets me killed. That is MY JOB as a clone soldier. So I don't get a lot of kills and I die a lot. Basically, if I ran all PRO gear all the time, I'd be broke in a week and I have over 100M ISK atm. Sai Nine and Genocide barely break even and they will go 44/2 and probably average about 25kills a game. What economic metric justifies the current system? So I'm supposed to run MLT gear for three weeks so I can run PRO gear for one? WTF is the point of having PRO gear in the game if I can't use it? The only times I make money, generally, is if my squad ends up proto stomping most of the night. That shouldn't be... I'm not saying we should all be the Monopoly Man...but the metric could at least give us a shot at breaking even and consider Logistics (maybe ISK value saved via revive and ISK value saved via triage?).
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 988	Posted - 2014.07.25 22:16:00 - [66] - Quote calvin b wrote: GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? The punishment is from you trying to gain WP or ISK and the other side refuses to play. I get punished for showing up and trying to do something and get very little in return while others sit in the red line and get the same ISK and SP payout. To answer your other question about a ticket, ya tried it in the past when I lost equipment to a bug and all I got was " it looks fine on our end nothing to see here, move on". I am going to run 10 battles of AFK and 10 where I do participate and I will post the end screen shots to show what I mean. I am not trying to an asshat but I am just trying to fix something most are aware of. Ty for your response. Agree with FW but not with pub matches. ISK payout is largely a matter of leaderboard standing, meaning relative WP not absolute WP. The amount destroyed certainly plays a part in the calculation. I guess I have a problem with your word choice. "Punished"means being penalized to me, which is different than not being rewarded as much as one would like. No one took anything from you and in team games, team actions matter. There may be some perverse incentives created with the payout system, for example I prefer to go solo and end up on the losing side but top of the leaderboard than to team up with a kickass squad and end up in 6th because the payout is better. That is pretty hard to fix and no system can ever beat human psychology. Because, that's why.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 2414	Posted - 2014.07.25 22:33:00 - [67] - Quote lol i got over 500k just destroying tanks with my particle accelerator > *BRING THE VEHICLES OF OLD BACK FROM THE DEAD!*
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2266	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:08:00 - [68] - Quote calvin b wrote: GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? The punishment is from you trying to gain WP or ISK and the other side refuses to play. I get punished for showing up and trying to do something and get very little in return while others sit in the red line and get the same ISK and SP payout. To answer your other question about a ticket, ya tried it in the past when I lost equipment to a bug and all I got was " it looks fine on our end nothing to see here, move on". I am going to run 10 battles of AFK and 10 where I do participate and I will post the end screen shots to show what I mean. I am not trying to an asshat but I am just trying to fix something most are aware of. Ty for your response. To be fair, fi you got only 160K from all of those WP, then someone just sitting AFK would have only received 30-40K. Out of curiosity I've gone "AFK" for several matches while testing things like overheat, recoil, etc, and depending on the match I earned from 30K to a whopping 90K for doing nothing, but every time was consistently less then when I put my tryhard pants on, which ranges from 150K-600K. It all depends on how much isk assets were destroyed in the battle, and how many WP you have compared to everyone else in the leaderboard. I've been in several matches where my 3K warpoints earned me very little because the next four guys below me also had WP in the 2Ks, watered it all down. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 296	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:56:00 - [69] - Quote calvin b wrote: Ok we have all been here or at least I have. Go 18-1 over 1500 WP come in second place, first place was a tanker. My team does not show up at all. I am doing the best I can and wait for it, load screen and WTF 136K ISK and only 3200 SP. Ok so flip the script, now on the team now steam rolling the other team. No one but a few come out of the red line the whole match and wait for it again WTF 160K ISK and just a hair over 4K SP. Ok CCP I give up what is the magic formula for ISK and SP. I cant force my team to play nor the other team so why am I being punished for trying? Seriously this is not funny. Now I know why no one is trying anymore for you get the same ISK and WP just for AFK'ing. So can someone at CCP spill the beans and just tell us already how do you calculate the ISK and SP rewards at the end of the match? I get that spawning 2 peeps out of my DS while hovering way above the fight while the opposition is protostomping. So, point is that this is a beer game. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN


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