DUST Search - why am I being punished CCP

calvin b wrote:

GM Archduke wrote:

The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected?

The punishment is from you trying to gain WP or ISK and the other side refuses to play. I get punished for showing up and trying to do something and get very little in return while others sit in the red line and get the same ISK and SP payout. To answer your other question about a ticket, ya tried it in the past when I lost equipment to a bug and all I got was " it looks fine on our end nothing to see here, move on". I am going to run 10 battles of AFK and 10 where I do participate and I will post the end screen shots to show what I mean. I am not trying to an asshat but I am just trying to fix something most are aware of. Ty for your response.

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Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2362	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:14:00 - [61] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Onesimus Tarsus wrote: KDR matchmaking fixes this. But you gotta hustle. KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know Scrubs like me? Or scrubs like Rattati? "cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers" straight from Rattati posting KDR is not a good choice because of high killing and low death tankers and snipers......WP/D is similar but different then KDR......so if you think KDR match making is good then yes your a scrub.......... Oh next time find a dev post that supports your thinking......because that one was not good in your favor......... Snipers would self fix, I explained that a few posts later, with no overt rebuttal. Nice use of huge elipses, though. Have fun re-watching Twilight tonight. I have a feeling KDR matchmaking can't fix that. K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r). Beh!
Peregrinuus 6	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:19:00 - [62] - Quote calvin b wrote: The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? A statement that can't apply to FW any better than it already does. Someone who AFK's in the MCC gets the exact same standings increase and LP payout (bar standing level to increase LP payout) as I do no matter how much I contributed to the team. Hi.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1795	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:25:00 - [63] - Quote GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? The punishment is from you trying to gain WP or ISK and the other side refuses to play. I get punished for showing up and trying to do something and get very little in return while others sit in the red line and get the same ISK and SP payout. To answer your other question about a ticket, ya tried it in the past when I lost equipment to a bug and all I got was " it looks fine on our end nothing to see here, move on". I am going to run 10 battles of AFK and 10 where I do participate and I will post the end screen shots to show what I mean. I am not trying to an asshat but I am just trying to fix something most are aware of. Ty for your response. Closed Beta Vet and Retired Heavy. Assaults 07
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 128	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:28:00 - [64] - Quote Peregrinuus wrote: calvin b wrote: The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? A statement that can't apply to FW any better than it already does. Someone who AFK's in the MCC gets the exact same standings increase and LP payout (bar standing level to increase LP payout) as I do no matter how much I contributed to the team. I might just start doing that in FW...0/0 kdr for same results.....what is better then that? BEING SARCASTIC
Thrillhouse Van Houten Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 84	Posted - 2014.07.25 21:30:00 - [65] - Quote The payouts are a joke. Destruction of ISK (if that is indeed the metric used) is a **** way to reward ISK. So I often go 4/10 with 1300WP or 1/5 with 2200WP or something with my contribution and WP score based almost entirely off of Logistics points. I hop into AV and blow up tanks or DSs often these days. I will concede that I die more than I "should" and that probably doesn't help my payout, but I'm a LOGI. I risk my suit and run out into crossfires to revive and repair fallen comrades often. Often, it gets me killed. That is MY JOB as a clone soldier. So I don't get a lot of kills and I die a lot. Basically, if I ran all PRO gear all the time, I'd be broke in a week and I have over 100M ISK atm. Sai Nine and Genocide barely break even and they will go 44/2 and probably average about 25kills a game. What economic metric justifies the current system? So I'm supposed to run MLT gear for three weeks so I can run PRO gear for one? WTF is the point of having PRO gear in the game if I can't use it? The only times I make money, generally, is if my squad ends up proto stomping most of the night. That shouldn't be... I'm not saying we should all be the Monopoly Man...but the metric could at least give us a shot at breaking even and consider Logistics (maybe ISK value saved via revive and ISK value saved via triage?).
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 988	Posted - 2014.07.25 22:16:00 - [66] - Quote calvin b wrote: GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? The punishment is from you trying to gain WP or ISK and the other side refuses to play. I get punished for showing up and trying to do something and get very little in return while others sit in the red line and get the same ISK and SP payout. To answer your other question about a ticket, ya tried it in the past when I lost equipment to a bug and all I got was " it looks fine on our end nothing to see here, move on". I am going to run 10 battles of AFK and 10 where I do participate and I will post the end screen shots to show what I mean. I am not trying to an asshat but I am just trying to fix something most are aware of. Ty for your response. Agree with FW but not with pub matches. ISK payout is largely a matter of leaderboard standing, meaning relative WP not absolute WP. The amount destroyed certainly plays a part in the calculation. I guess I have a problem with your word choice. "Punished"means being penalized to me, which is different than not being rewarded as much as one would like. No one took anything from you and in team games, team actions matter. There may be some perverse incentives created with the payout system, for example I prefer to go solo and end up on the losing side but top of the leaderboard than to team up with a kickass squad and end up in 6th because the payout is better. That is pretty hard to fix and no system can ever beat human psychology. Because, that's why.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 2414	Posted - 2014.07.25 22:33:00 - [67] - Quote lol i got over 500k just destroying tanks with my particle accelerator > *BRING THE VEHICLES OF OLD BACK FROM THE DEAD!*
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2266	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:08:00 - [68] - Quote calvin b wrote: GM Archduke wrote: The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? The punishment is from you trying to gain WP or ISK and the other side refuses to play. I get punished for showing up and trying to do something and get very little in return while others sit in the red line and get the same ISK and SP payout. To answer your other question about a ticket, ya tried it in the past when I lost equipment to a bug and all I got was " it looks fine on our end nothing to see here, move on". I am going to run 10 battles of AFK and 10 where I do participate and I will post the end screen shots to show what I mean. I am not trying to an asshat but I am just trying to fix something most are aware of. Ty for your response. To be fair, fi you got only 160K from all of those WP, then someone just sitting AFK would have only received 30-40K. Out of curiosity I've gone "AFK" for several matches while testing things like overheat, recoil, etc, and depending on the match I earned from 30K to a whopping 90K for doing nothing, but every time was consistently less then when I put my tryhard pants on, which ranges from 150K-600K. It all depends on how much isk assets were destroyed in the battle, and how many WP you have compared to everyone else in the leaderboard. I've been in several matches where my 3K warpoints earned me very little because the next four guys below me also had WP in the 2Ks, watered it all down. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 296	Posted - 2014.07.25 23:56:00 - [69] - Quote calvin b wrote: Ok we have all been here or at least I have. Go 18-1 over 1500 WP come in second place, first place was a tanker. My team does not show up at all. I am doing the best I can and wait for it, load screen and WTF 136K ISK and only 3200 SP. Ok so flip the script, now on the team now steam rolling the other team. No one but a few come out of the red line the whole match and wait for it again WTF 160K ISK and just a hair over 4K SP. Ok CCP I give up what is the magic formula for ISK and SP. I cant force my team to play nor the other team so why am I being punished for trying? Seriously this is not funny. Now I know why no one is trying anymore for you get the same ISK and WP just for AFK'ing. So can someone at CCP spill the beans and just tell us already how do you calculate the ISK and SP rewards at the end of the match? I get that spawning 2 peeps out of my DS while hovering way above the fight while the opposition is protostomping. So, point is that this is a beer game. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN


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