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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:38:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected?
I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from.
I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280.
I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K.
I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice.
It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that |
RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
303
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:39:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:calvin b wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction.
SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? you can't afk because you will be removed from the battle after a set period of time being inactive
Sure you can, rubber band your analog sticks together and run around in a circle. |
gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance
92
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:56:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:GM Archduke wrote:The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from. I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280. I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K. I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice. It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that
as squad leader, but not top of the board the rest of my squad being at the top, all squad mates got over 2000 wp. i got the 545,000. never happens solo with 2000 wp it seems we get on extra amount for the whole squad to be in first thru fifth
and every ticket i have made has ended more than satisfactory strangeland stranger and I both thank you gm archduke
Absorb what is useful,
discard what is not,
make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
303
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Posted - 2014.07.25 16:58:00 -
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gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote:RayRay James wrote:GM Archduke wrote:The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from. I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280. I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K. I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice. It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that as squad leader, but not top of the board the rest of my squad being at the top, all squad mates got over 2000 wp. i got the 545,000. never happens solo with 2000 wp it seems we get on extra amount for the whole squad to be in first thru fifth and every ticket i have made has ended more than satisfactory strangeland stranger and I both thank you gm archduke
Oh, I understand the squad vs no squad scenario. All of the above scenarios were part of a squad and I do squad lead and it doesn't make much of a difference in isk payout. |
gauntlet44 LbowDeep
Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance
92
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:39:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:gauntlet44 LbowDeep wrote:RayRay James wrote:GM Archduke wrote:The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? I think punished was the wrong choice of words, but I see where he's coming from. I play primarily logi, with some ads and AV on the side. It doesn't matter what I run, how good I do, how bad the other team get's whooped, my isk at EOG is ALMOST NEVER above 280. I've blown up 4 tanks, 2 ADS and forge sniped an entire game, something like 9/0 with all the additional WP from killing the tanks, I got ~230K isk. Go 22/0 in a pro logi with 3-4k WP? 220-260K. I can, with absolute certainty say that I have NEVER broken the 325K isk mark EVER. I'd be surprised if i ever broke 310K. I've only broken 300K twice or thrice. It amazes me that people can get 400-600K isk in any game mode. I wish I knew their secret because I've done it all and get no where near that as squad leader, but not top of the board the rest of my squad being at the top, all squad mates got over 2000 wp. i got the 545,000. never happens solo with 2000 wp it seems we get on extra amount for the whole squad to be in first thru fifth and every ticket i have made has ended more than satisfactory strangeland stranger and I both thank you gm archduke Oh, I understand the squad vs no squad scenario. All of the above scenarios were part of a squad and I do squad lead and it doesn't make much of a difference in isk payout.
i dont know why i got so much isk for 5and6 in fifth place
Absorb what is useful,
discard what is not,
make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
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Derpty Derp
It's All Gone Derp
224
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Posted - 2014.07.25 17:50:00 -
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isk payouts I've not noticed anything wrong with unless you join late... Only thing is to get a high payout it usually means I've got 3 or 4 times the wp of second place (which means we lost and it was a **** battle, but pleanty of enemy vehicles went boom!)
Though 1k wp is usually over 200k... Perhaps you need to blow up more vehicles? |
Leanna Boghin
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:37:00 -
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No what i think he is trying to say is that the isk payouts are complete **** for the amount of gear people are losing to tank stompers. Think of it this way you play a match you're doing good you even captured a few objectives all of a sudden the tank spam on the enemy team begins. You end up spending the entire match destroying tanks but lose the battle. Not only did you die about 15 times to tankers (this is why they should have never lowered the price of tanks in the first play) shooting the **** out of you but you managed to collect a massive 5000 wp which i should say is awesome. Only problem is your team lost so that 5000 wp to the stupid mechanics on this game doesnt mean **** so you are only awarded 150k in isk. So yeah i agree with op its either broken or CCP is just trolling non tanking players (apparently ccp loves tanks and they nerf everything so tanks are the only useful thing in the game). Its not viable at this point in time to do anything but afk and earn isk
I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
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Leanna Boghin
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:44:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:RayRay James wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Class "A" dipsh*t^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsh*t. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. You don't have to be a d!ck to prove your point though. A GM came into the thread to try and help and you were a total a$$hole to him. Way to make sure they come back and try and help again. I wasnt being a **** (until you started putting in your forum warrior opinion) i was merely pointing out the truth about putting in a ticket. And like i said before if you dont like what i type then dont read what i type. End of discussion and have a pleasant day says the one who hopped onto an alt character -_- you dont fool anyone dude
I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
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RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
636
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:45:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:The thing I don't get from this thread is the punishment itself. Where exactly were you punished? Your team not fighting and giving you less opportunities to earn WPs is not a punishment - you can even avoid this by joining a squad /which can also boost your WP total/. Others receiving a higher reward is not a punishment either, their reward is not coming out of your pocket. So...are you saying the 'punishment' is basically receiving a lower reward than you expected? Punishment was a bad choice of words (English isn't his primary language), but can you not admit that the system is wrong? Why does every CCP Representative dance around discussing the actual issue that, if you could decipher context clues, would be obvious as to what the topic is about? You guys will contribute 4 or 5 posts in a thread, debating minutia, and rarely actually contribute to the conversation.
What's up with that?
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Leanna Boghin
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
265
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:48:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:GM Archduke wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. Just trying to help. Sorry, I guess. Leanna, CCP doesn't talk to us often enough as is, please don't **** all over them when they do talk to us, m'kay pumpkin? CCP doesnt talk to us because they dont give a ****. If they did the developers would be on here answering the OPs question of how isk and sp are determined rather than letting some poor GM answer for them by saying "send in a ticket".
I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2253
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:49:00 -
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RYN0CER0S wrote:You guys will contribute 4 or 5 posts in a thread, debating minutia, and rarely actually contribute to the conversation. What's up with that?
CCP Rattati has had a better track record than his peers, but yeah, they do that. If they commit to something then they will be held responsible to follow through with it, and they don't want that.
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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Ripley Riley
Incorruptibles
2253
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Posted - 2014.07.25 18:53:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:CCP doesn't talk to us because they don't give a ****. If they did the developers would be on here answering the OPs question of how isk and sp are determined rather than letting some poor GM answer for them by saying "send in a ticket".
It's entirely possible that they don't want the formula discussed in length so it couldn't be exploited/gamed... A GM is asking for a ticket to be opened so that if something is wrong with the formula they can investigate. If it isn't working as intended then CCP can adjust it accordingly (ISK/SP rewards are made server side, I believe).
He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
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GM Archduke
Game Masters C C P Alliance
225
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:17:00 -
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Let's see. Correct, we can't just go and discuss in detail how exactly this works. We can hint on some parts, explain others, but at least we in CS are not supposed to give out the exact mechanics for this. Maybe this will change, who knows. Also, we are not working on the Forum, we are working on Support Tickets. Me posting here every now and then is merely the result of not having much to do after work. A mix of trying to help DUST 514 Mercenaries, loving the game, and just generally being bored when I'm off shift.
Personally I don't think the reward system is broken. I don't have unlimited ISK on CCP Archduke - in fact, my personal character has a lot more - and it makes me think and plan more, be more careful in battle. And sometimes I struggle to restock my fittings. Short on ISK? Use standard fittings, or even the Starter Fittings for a while. I don't think the reward system was ever supposed to cope with losing 10-15 full proto /or advanced-proto mix, or maybe even full advanced/ fittings.
All in all, I suggested the Support Ticket for a good reason. These issues should be handled through our Ticket system - and Leanna is probably half-right. I do suspect that there was nothing wrong. But we would also explain why calvin received the rewards he received.
GM Archduke
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
7867
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:20:00 -
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A wild GM appears!
King Thunderbolt is my number one fan.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1241
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Posted - 2014.07.25 19:33:00 -
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GM Archduke wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:Yeah sure you will. And we will get a response back saying the game is "working as intended" which seems to be you guys favorite catch phrase. Nothing in Dust is ever working as intended but because certain individuals are too lazy to fix actual bugs and glitches (apparently asthetics are more important than game mechanics to this company -_-) that have been plagueing us for months. I just hope that someday the devs will see the light and realize the damn TREES are not as important as they believe them to be. Just trying to help. Sorry, I guess.
You are much nicer than I would be.
Leanna, You're an ass.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:02:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:843-Vika wrote:calvin b wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction.
SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore? you can't afk because you will be removed from the battle after a set period of time being inactive Sure you can, rubber band your analog sticks together and run around in a circle.
and when you get killed and don't respawn what then? I personally have sniped red line afkers and watched them get dropped from the battle. |
843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:09:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:No what i think he is trying to say is that the isk payouts are complete **** for the amount of gear people are losing to tank stompers. Think of it this way you play a match you're doing good you even captured a few objectives all of a sudden the tank spam on the enemy team begins. You end up spending the entire match destroying tanks but lose the battle. Not only did you die about 15 times to tankers (this is why they should have never lowered the price of tanks in the first play) shooting the **** out of you but you managed to collect a massive 5000 wp which i should say is awesome. Only problem is your team lost so that 5000 wp to the stupid mechanics on this game doesnt mean **** so you are only awarded 150k in isk. So yeah i agree with op its either broken or CCP is just trolling non tanking players (apparently ccp loves tanks and they nerf everything so tanks are the only useful thing in the game). Its not viable at this point in time to do anything but afk and earn isk
Awwwwww a QQer that gets killed by tanks.......dude seriously tanks are not they unstoppable, try setting groups of proxy mines on known tank routes, try using av nade after you took out its shielding with your forge, try a flux nade then use swarms......the only real problem is when people dont bother to try and kill the tanks and come on forums qqing how tanks need be nerfed because they can't kill them |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:10:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction.
SP is heavily reliant on time in match. And both are affected by how many WP you gain You might come second with 25 kills and 3 deaths - but the logi that farmed WP on his uplinks and hives and then stood far away in a corner for the rest of the match going 0/0 and made 1500 SP more than you i is getting all you munny. I's no wonder people can't afford to run good stuff, actually playing the game is punished.
Correct; my highest paying game was when we destroyed about 16 havs at 4 million isk I came in third on winning side of a cloned out 150 skirmish.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
986
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:10:00 -
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Leanna Boghin wrote:RayRay James wrote:Leanna Boghin wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Class "A" dipsh*t^ Im just being completely honest. And if you dont like it then dont read what i type dipsh*t. Sick of you damn forum warriors putting in your two cents on a game you dont even play more than a few hours a month. You don't have to be a d!ck to prove your point though. A GM came into the thread to try and help and you were a total a$$hole to him. Way to make sure they come back and try and help again. I wasnt being a **** (until you started putting in your forum warrior opinion) i was merely pointing out the truth about putting in a ticket. And like i said before if you dont like what i type then dont read what i type. End of discussion and have a pleasant day
Ummm, if you don't like what he wrote then don't read it. Same logic. I wonder though how you would know if you don't like what he wrote if you didn't read it.
Anyhow, you were being an ass.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
987
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:20:00 -
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Every complaint about ISK I have read seems merely to be people wanting to run whatever they want, whenever they want. The whole purpose of ISK is to limit you and give value to your actions. If your actions aren't rewarding you then change them, don't expect the game to conform to your opinions and preferences.
Because, that's why.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:26:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:don't expect the game to conform to your opinions and preferences.
That's the best response to any thread i have read.
Why the QQers expect the game to adapt to them, instead of adapt to the game is beyond me........ |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2361
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:32:00 -
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KDR matchmaking fixes this.
But you gotta hustle.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Beh!
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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:40:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:RayRay James wrote: Sure you can, rubber band your analog sticks together and run around in a circle.
and when you get killed and don't respawn what then? I personally have sniped red line afkers and watched them get dropped from the battle.
Then you should have heated up your burrito or pooped faster
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RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:40:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:KDR matchmaking fixes this.
But you gotta hustle. Sure, throw my 45 mil sp gal pro logi / forge / ads in with the kids that have > 1.0 KD/R, I won't mind. |
RayRay James
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
310
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:42:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:don't expect the game to conform to your opinions and preferences. That's the best response to any thread i have read. Why the QQers expect the game to adapt to them, instead of adapt to the game is beyond me........
Because complaining is so much easier than learning |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2361
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:45:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:KDR matchmaking fixes this.
But you gotta hustle. Sure, throw my 45 mil sp gal pro logi / forge / ads in with the kids that have > 1.0 KD/R, I won't mind. Not at first you won't.
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.07.25 20:51:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:KDR matchmaking fixes this.
But you gotta hustle.
KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know |
Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
2362
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:00:00 -
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843-Vika wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:KDR matchmaking fixes this.
But you gotta hustle. KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know
Scrubs like me?
Or scrubs like Rattati?
K/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. It even fixes WP/D(r).
Beh!
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
8915
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:02:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Isk payouts are determined by value of destruction.
SP is heavily reliant on time in match. Ok so riddle me this. I was in the whole match I did my job as a clone in the game, so why the hell am I being punished because my team or the other team refuses to play? This is my point I get the whole item destruction and time in game, which I can call BS on because I have destroyed 6 DS and 4 tanks in one match and my ISK payout was just over 260K ISK. The point of the matter is I can AFK and still get the same as if I was in battle. That is my point where is the incentive to even try anymore?
Were you absolutely sure, beyond a shadow of any doubt, that those vehicles you destroyed were of high value compared to the rest? If many of them were militia variants, that could hurt your rewards.
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843-Vika
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2014.07.25 21:07:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:843-Vika wrote:Onesimus Tarsus wrote:KDR matchmaking fixes this.
But you gotta hustle. KDR match making fixes absolutly nothing........why the scrubs keep suggesting this ill never know Scrubs like me? Or scrubs like Rattati?
"cumulative KDR is not as good because of snipers"
straight from Rattati posting
KDR is not a good choice because of high killing and low death tankers and snipers......WP/D is similar but different then KDR......so if you think KDR match making is good then yes your a scrub..........
Oh next time find a dev post that supports your thinking......because that one was not good in your favor.........
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