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TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1117	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:12:00 - [1] - Quote Ok.. anyone who is used to my posting knows they are poorly laid out, so I will hand you the ingredients... Make of it what you will Sidearms So we have a wide range of options as sidearms now WHICH IS AWESOME But how do these weapons function into our Dust:514 battlefields, I will list the options we have and their use IMO. And the biggest factor to remember is these are sidearms they compliment your fits, not complete them. Flaylocks are a tricky one , personally I still love them with L5 prof.1 it's nice to even run my basic Flaylock IMO the Flaylock is a suppression tool, Best used for harassing enemy positions and dealing with equipment spam. - Issues - Breach is not useful enough it should be re-worked to provide an AV variant. SMG LOL I have used my 'Toxin' SMG for a long time, for nearly a year I hadn't bothered to even by the skillbook. It is the go to weapon for a sidearm, works well in all situations... and thats the problem - Issues - Tough to fix, but something to lower it's effectiveness is needed.. possibly reduced clipsize?? - The Adv SMG deals more DMG than a SixKin ACR in CQ.. thats wrong ... Scrambler Pistol The 'nerf' was one of the healthiest changes in game, it brought it in line with other weaponary. - Issues - Headshot multiplier, it's a high DMG weapon with no need for an OP headshot bonus. - Variants - Assault beats Ion Pistol, Breach beats Bolt Pistol, Burst is tricky but fun to use. Nove Knives I <3 NK. even more I love the challenge of engaging a SG or HMG with my knives - Issues - the range of my knives get's me killed V those opponents but CCP are on to this. SG/HMG beware Bolt Pistol I liked this weapon so much, I went L5 Cal.Assault to have the reload bonus. - Issues - A breach ScP is almost as effective and does not suffer the same brawbacks. - Variants - FOR THE LOVE OF DUST!! give me a variant without the scope, I'd kill for an Assault BP I don't even care if it is the exact same stats just PLEASE!!! allow me to use Iron Sights. ^^ The above weapons I have invested SP in all of them, so I have grounds for my opinions So I'll leave a NOTE - MagsecSMG/ION pistol ... simply put the Magsec is decent not sure what changes are needed And the Ion Pistol is a tricky one as Dust gamers expect the weapon to do all the work for them and the Ion requires you to get in very Close range and land your shots.. but overall the Ion is a bad ScP with a charge feature Enjoy ! feel free to reply your opinion on any of the weapons, just add to the input and keep in clean and we can leave more treats for Rattati to munch on while he and the CCP staff prepare the Remaining fixes...
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 352	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:20:00 - [2] - Quote There's already a thread like this in Feedback in Discussion by I-Shayz-I lol. But to say, I agree, although the Bolt Pistol does more Damage I believe per shot, and it fires at about the same rate as the Breach Scrambler Pistol. I think the pistols really need to enforce the weapon damage towards shields/armor. From the Clone Wars I came. Here I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN Freedom aw8s
Michael Arck 4936	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:35:00 - [3] - Quote Shorten spool time for Ion or nah? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 569	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:42:00 - [4] - Quote I am a big fan of the post nerf ScP, actually. The SMGs are both great, but aside from that they all need work. It's impossible to kill most people with a bolt pistol without landing multiple headshots, and the weapon is in no way designed for that (no bonus multi). Needs some serious reworking IMO. It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1514	Posted - 2014.07.21 11:42:00 - [5] - Quote SMG is obviously a great sidearm for CQC but it is also meant to be like that. it has light weapon fitting requirements for a reason... beside that, the burst scrambler pistol is boss of a sidarm with dps like the SMG, similar range, headshot bonus and is easier to fit.
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 122	Posted - 2014.07.21 12:44:00 - [6] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Shorten spool time for Ion or nah? nah, just give it like 10-15 more meters of range and a little less heat per shot. Opus Arcana \| TBD Ringleader \| Yep Squad Spokesman
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 382	Posted - 2014.07.21 12:47:00 - [7] - Quote ion and bolt pistols are the only ones i haven't tried magsec was good, i don't know why everyone hates it because it felt to me exactly like it's supposed to: a mini rail rifle. good against armor, bad against shields, not so good at CQC. I really get pissed at how everyone says the SMG needs to be nerfed. WTF? It's fine, leave it alone. If anything the other sidearms should be buffed to put them in line with it. I personally think the Burst and Breach ScP need a buff. There's no reason to use those instead of a Carthum Assault. Wolfman's really needs a buff in my opinion as well. You know the scary thing about em? They don't need power... lights, heat, nothing. That's their advantage.
RendonaSix Techs Laboratory 107	Posted - 2014.07.21 12:50:00 - [8] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: I am a big fan of the post nerf ScP, actually. The SMGs are both great, but aside from that they all need work. It's impossible to kill most people with a bolt pistol without landing multiple headshots, and the weapon is in no way designed for that (no bonus multi). Needs some serious reworking IMO. Yeah its still a beast. The headshot bonus is needed though as its a reward for actually aiming. It separates the scrubs from those who truly love it. The ROF nerf balanced it in my opinion. Its the deagle of dust, its power matches its swag. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
RendonaSix Techs Laboratory 107	Posted - 2014.07.21 12:54:00 - [9] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: SMG is obviously a great sidearm for CQC but it is also meant to be like that. it has light weapon fitting requirements for a reason... beside that, the burst scrambler pistol is boss of a sidarm with dps like the SMG, similar range, headshot bonus and is easier to fit. Iv not used it since beta and early uprising. The lag/hit detection was so appalling back then that sometimes all three shots would do nothing. I am going to try it out again in about 20 mins. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 590	Posted - 2014.07.21 13:02:00 - [10] - Quote Buff/fix the ones you like, ruin the others? Solid, Dust logic. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard

RendonaSix Techs Laboratory 108	Posted - 2014.07.21 13:11:00 - [11] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Buff/fix the ones you like, ruin the others? Solid, Dust logic. There's no proto burst scp, nerf all the sidearms!. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1117	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:04:00 - [12] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Buff/fix the ones you like, ruin the others? Solid, Dust logic. That's usually the way, hence me not asking for any buffs, not that it would effect me I have 5 sidearms I just made this thread to add to the pile of work CCP Rattati will be getting through The ScR Pistol is still a competitive sidearm.. The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else. So realistically the SMGs need reworking to make them more of a sidearm than they currently are. As for Buffs.. I agree dust logic is some crazy Logic... but these weapons should all hold a place on the battlefield. Bolt Pistols/Ion Pistols don't provide a good enough reason to use them V SMG/ScP AND FOR THE LOVE OF DUST - BUFFING OTHERS SO THEY ARE OP AS THE REST IS NOT A FIX. I want them brought in line... SMG = same DPS for Magsec and Matari Pistols = equal headshot multiplier between Ion/Bolt/ScR. = similar DPS for variants - AssaultScR=Ion, BreachScR=BP, BurstScR=....??? On that note, does anyone know what a Burst ScR should compare to?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1117	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:08:00 - [13] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: SMG is obviously a great sidearm for CQC but it is also meant to be like that. it has light weapon fitting requirements for a reason... beside that, the burst scrambler pistol is boss of a sidarm with dps like the SMG, similar range, headshot bonus and is easier to fit. Aha just saw this... Hmmm I was thinking the same.. The Burst ScR is 'similar' to the SMG weapons.. <3 CAR-9 Burst ScR Pistol
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1514	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:36:00 - [14] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1117	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:47:00 - [15] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock. Well then the fitting should be reduced.. and it's not near as extreme as you claim.. I'm not near dust to test but here's a few examples I can think of - - Proto Bolt Pistol= 14 PG - Proto Knives= 8 PG Are they not on par with the Light weapons also?? Yes the CPU is lower I can't quote that as it causes me less hassle. Claiming that it has high fitting cost, making it viable to be OP compared to other weapons in it's class. SMG weapons should add back-up to your firepower not be a go-to take down weapon.. which it is Do not buff them!!! we just recently got rid of dual ScP assaults who could fry your brain in a few shots.. Now it's time for the SMG to be taken down a notch, not Buff the others til they reach it's level
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6623	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:47:00 - [16] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock. lol, "hard to fit" see you space cowboy...
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5688	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:52:00 - [17] - Quote The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1118	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:52:00 - [18] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Jack McReady wrote: TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock. lol, "hard to fit" ^^ This..... my thoughts exactly. just a simpler reply IMO we need things that cause fitting issues as then we are forced to choose.. You can't have it all, something in a fit should suffer at a cost of something else.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1118	Posted - 2014.07.21 14:56:00 - [19] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. Tut-tut... a Matari using his Flaylock wrong Why fire a pocket rocket at a guy you are about to finish ?? Just kill him.. no need to try be cool In PC battles, I rely on the flaylock to destroy equipment spam and harass enemys before unloading my CR It can finish guys nicely.. but c'mon it's not the most reliable weapon for getting that last shot on target
RendonaSix Techs Laboratory 109	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:05:00 - [20] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. Tut-tut... a Matari using his Flaylock wrong Why fire a pocket rocket at a guy you are about to finish ?? Just kill him.. no need to try be cool In PC battles, I rely on the flaylock to destroy equipment spam and harass enemys before unloading my CR It can finish guys nicely.. but c'mon it's not the most reliable weapon for getting that last shot on target Its matari, it shouldn't even exist and should be replaced with a spade so you scumbags can get digging for more gold. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"

TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1120	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:09:00 - [21] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. Tut-tut... a Matari using his Flaylock wrong Why fire a pocket rocket at a guy you are about to finish ?? Just kill him.. no need to try be cool In PC battles, I rely on the flaylock to destroy equipment spam and harass enemys before unloading my CR It can finish guys nicely.. but c'mon it's not the most reliable weapon for getting that last shot on target Its matari, it shouldn't even exist and should be replaced with a spade so you scumbags can get digging for more gold. lol... well that keeps things on track CCP please note the Matari need to have spades added to our dropsuits Coz when we hit up Gallente space.. we be diggin those asses
RendonaSix Techs Laboratory 110	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:15:00 - [22] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: RendonaSix wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. Tut-tut... a Matari using his Flaylock wrong Why fire a pocket rocket at a guy you are about to finish ?? Just kill him.. no need to try be cool In PC battles, I rely on the flaylock to destroy equipment spam and harass enemys before unloading my CR It can finish guys nicely.. but c'mon it's not the most reliable weapon for getting that last shot on target Its matari, it shouldn't even exist and should be replaced with a spade so you scumbags can get digging for more gold. lol... well that keeps things on track CCP please note the Matari need to have spades added to our dropsuits Coz when we hit up Gallente space.. we be diggin those asses Lol. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1514	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:18:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Jack McReady wrote: TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock. lol, "hard to fit" as expected a brainfart answer. SMGs have fitting requirements that are comparable to light weapons despite having less DPS and range. all the other sidearms require either much lower CPU, PG or both thus you can use the one that is most convenient for you in terms of fittings. in short, maybe think before brainfarting, then next time you do not make yourself look stupid.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6625	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:24:00 - [24] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Jack McReady wrote: TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock. lol, "hard to fit" as expected a brainfart answer. SMGs have fitting requirements that are comparable to light weapons despite having less DPS and range. all the other sidearms require either much lower CPU, PG or both thus you can use the one that is most convenient for you in terms of fittings. if you want a better sidearm then spent the proper CPU and PG for it. all I read is I want my favorite sidearm buffed all others nerfed. in short, maybe think before brainfarting, then next time you do not make yourself look stupid. looooooool, this guy. why even bother to take you seriously see you space cowboy...
RendonaSix Techs Laboratory 111	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:27:00 - [25] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Jack McReady wrote: TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock. lol, "hard to fit" as expected a brainfart answer. SMGs have fitting requirements that are comparable to light weapons despite having less DPS and range. all the other sidearms require either much lower CPU, PG or both thus you can use the one that is most convenient for you in terms of fittings. if you want a better sidearm then spent the proper CPU and PG for it. all I read is I want my favorite sidearm buffed all others nerfed. in short, maybe think before brainfarting, then next time you do not make yourself look stupid. I tried the burst scp and this is what I think. There's no proto variant so I'm not touching it from now on. My stuck up amarrian ways are repulsed by it and as such, I'm declaring CCP prejudice against scps. I did try it and it is much better than it used to be. Goes to wash the advanced weapon stains off hands "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1120	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:28:00 - [26] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Jack McReady wrote: TheD1CK wrote: The SMG weapons put a shadow over everything else... they are balanced by the fact that they are more expensive and harder to fit. they are still not on par with light weapons in terms of DPS, range and precision thus they are SIDEARMS. in short, there is nothing wrong about SMGs. beside that if you want to buff the other sidearms then you also need to increase their fittings requirements. the only sidearm that actually needs a buff is the flaylock. lol, "hard to fit" as expected a brainfart answer. SMGs have fitting requirements that are comparable to light weapons despite having less DPS and range. all the other sidearms require either much lower CPU, PG or both thus you can use the one that is most convenient for you in terms of fittings. if you want a better sidearm then spent the proper CPU and PG for it. all I read is I want my favorite sidearm buffed all others nerfed. in short, maybe think before brainfarting, then next time you do not make yourself look stupid. READ THE OP... THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE HERE TO REPLY TO As I stated I think we are in a good place with sidearms bar a few issues making some better than others. I use 5 sidearms.. SMG/ScP/FP/BP/NK they all kill efficiently.. I ask for nothing more than an Iron Sight on my BP By your logic my 14 PG Bolt Pistol should wreck every other sidearm 1v1... Your defense over the SMG is needless it is too good to be classed as a 'Sidearm' bar it's range which is morethan what a Sidearm SMG should be as it is. Just stop trying Dust bunny logic justifying weapons being OP.. yet people are surprised the game is Dead
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5689	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:29:00 - [27] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. Tut-tut... a Matari using his Flaylock wrong Why fire a pocket rocket at a guy you are about to finish ?? Just kill him.. no need to try be cool In PC battles, I rely on the flaylock to destroy equipment spam and harass enemys before unloading my CR It can finish guys nicely.. but c'mon it's not the most reliable weapon for getting that last shot on target Obviously I'm finishing them with a flaylock because my main weapon is out of ammo from shooting the **** out of them. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
RendonaSix Techs Laboratory 111	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:37:00 - [28] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. Tut-tut... a Matari using his Flaylock wrong Why fire a pocket rocket at a guy you are about to finish ?? Just kill him.. no need to try be cool In PC battles, I rely on the flaylock to destroy equipment spam and harass enemys before unloading my CR It can finish guys nicely.. but c'mon it's not the most reliable weapon for getting that last shot on target Obviously I'm finishing them with a flaylock because my main weapon is out of ammo from shooting the **** out of them. Minmatar must be hacking reality now, how did you escape you filthy bastard?. "For those who have seen the light, repentance you shall find, for within the heart of battle, scum you shall grind"
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1122	Posted - 2014.07.21 15:40:00 - [29] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: TheD1CK wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: The flaylock is actually a finishing weapon, not a suppression tool. Obvious due to high armor damage, and by that it's extremely front loaded. Tut-tut... a Matari using his Flaylock wrong Why fire a pocket rocket at a guy you are about to finish ?? Just kill him.. no need to try be cool In PC battles, I rely on the flaylock to destroy equipment spam and harass enemys before unloading my CR It can finish guys nicely.. but c'mon it's not the most reliable weapon for getting that last shot on target Obviously I'm finishing them with a flaylock because my main weapon is out of ammo from shooting the **** out of them. Yes that is the general use of a sidearm... to clean up the mess your primary started.. A finishing weapon? certainly not the Flaylock... the other 3 pistols do that more effectively and the SMG's have the easiest time of all sidearms when it comes to finishing off your targets. The Flaylock can provide some awesome finishing kills (not disputing this) But that is not it's greatest role. Your telling me the weakest most unreliable sidearm is the 'finishing' weapon? nah it's suppression. CCP caused this confusion by releasing the OP Flaylock way back when, people could slay with it... Until they nerfed it removing the slaying ability and putting it in a suppression role ... And there it is the most ineffective sidearm V another sidearm is the Flaylock, yet no QQ for buffs from me... Why??? Because now it fills a role, your primary is what hits hard not your sidearm (IF CCP balance them) So I never rely on my Flaylock for kills I use it to benefit my primary weapon as all sidearms should be set to do.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1515	Posted - 2014.07.21 16:57:00 - [30] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: By your logic my 14 PG Bolt Pistol should wreck every other sidearm 1v1... take a look at the CPU requirements, you argument is invalid. if you have problems with PG then dont use the bolt pistol... oh wait that would be clever use of your ressources



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