DUST Search - Why does Amarr still get the most CPU/PG?

Cody Sietz wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc...

I don't think this is in the same vain though.

It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy.

At proto level: 50CPU and 10 PG is actually nothing.

Not to mention that reducing Amarr Assaults (specifically) CPU and PG would come next to a CPU and PG decrease in cost for the SCR's.

Now im not saying the Amarr doesnt have an advantage here. But think about it.Besides More total HP and stamina, their thing is to be stronger through the use of Better Modules = More CPU and PG.

What you are asking for me is the equivalent of me saying:
Well, now amarr are the true armor tankers, when are WE getting Natural Passive Reps on all our suits?
And since all suits are close to full balance,When are Gal going to loose them?

See?

and to be honest i dont really think its that much of a problem balance wise.
Every suit has pro's and cons.

I would agree for a Slight CPU-PG increase for other suits : like 20CPU and 3 PG there by decreasing the difference vs amarr.

we are talking base here. With max stats the number becomes even larger. You also forget to mention the higher base ehp, if you'd like to compare that to Gallente it would make sense, but not CPU/PG.

Amarr are also meant to have the least amount of slots in the Assault class and they got a buff to bring them in line with the other suits, seems fair. Except the trade was they got more CPU/PG then other suits...now, there is no trade off. The ScR has a higher PG usage yes, but not enough to warrant so much more PG.

I think Caldari should 30+ base CPU and 3 base PG and Gallente 20+ CPU and 5 PG.

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Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3635	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:23:00 - [1] - Quote It made sense when they had the least slots, but now they everything is the same it just seems like they are still going to be the best assault suit. Yes I know the ScR takes the most PG, but it doesn't justify such a massive gap. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5350	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:31:00 - [2] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It made sense when they had the least slots, but now they everything is the same it just seems like they are still going to be the best assault suit. Yes I know the ScR takes the most PG, but it doesn't justify such a massive gap. Because.Reasons. Stealth Storm
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2252	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:33:00 - [3] - Quote Because no one sat down and explained the original visions for DUST in Alpha to CCP Rattati. And Logibro is way to new to know any of it. Tackling a smaller group of issues at a time is working but other side effect issues crop up as the original concepts show their face in the midst of trying to make sense of them. Probably comes with a lot of daunting sinking feelings for Rattati as he realizes it would of been easier to just complete some original concepts that just where never polished up. But he is literally Stevie Wonder walking around in a football field looking for a chair in trying to make sense of the Rat nest CCP Shanghai left with DUST 514.
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 554	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:34:00 - [4] - Quote The Amarr is the best we deserve more.One reason Feel the pain of my knives and the piercing pain your skull has felt to my pistol.I am the Assassin.
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5350	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:36:00 - [5] - Quote I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc... Stealth Storm
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3636	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:43:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc... I don't think this is in the same vain though. It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5350	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:49:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc... I don't think this is in the same vain though. It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy. At proto level: 50CPU and 10 PG is actually nothing. Not to mention that reducing Amarr Assaults (specifically) CPU and PG would come next to a CPU and PG decrease in cost for the SCR's. Now im not saying the Amarr doesnt have an advantage here. But think about it.Besides More total HP and stamina, their thing is to be stronger through the use of Better Modules = More CPU and PG. What you are asking for me is the equivalent of me saying: Well, now amarr are the true armor tankers, when are WE getting Natural Passive Reps on all our suits? And since all suits are close to full balance,When are Gal going to loose them? See? and to be honest i dont really think its that much of a problem balance wise. Every suit has pro's and cons. I would agree for a Slight CPU-PG increase for other suits : like 18CPU and 3 PG there by decreasing the difference vs amarr. Stealth Storm
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3636	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:58:00 - [8] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc... I don't think this is in the same vain though. It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy. At proto level: 50CPU and 10 PG is actually nothing. Not to mention that reducing Amarr Assaults (specifically) CPU and PG would come next to a CPU and PG decrease in cost for the SCR's. Now im not saying the Amarr doesnt have an advantage here. But think about it.Besides More total HP and stamina, their thing is to be stronger through the use of Better Modules = More CPU and PG. What you are asking for me is the equivalent of me saying: Well, now amarr are the true armor tankers, when are WE getting Natural Passive Reps on all our suits? And since all suits are close to full balance,When are Gal going to loose them? See? and to be honest i dont really think its that much of a problem balance wise. Every suit has pro's and cons. I would agree for a Slight CPU-PG increase for other suits : like 20CPU and 3 PG there by decreasing the difference vs amarr. we are talking base here. With max stats the number becomes even larger. You also forget to mention the higher base ehp, if you'd like to compare that to Gallente it would make sense, but not CPU/PG. Amarr are also meant to have the least amount of slots in the Assault class and they got a buff to bring them in line with the other suits, seems fair. Except the trade was they got more CPU/PG then other suits...now, there is no trade off. The ScR has a higher PG usage yes, but not enough to warrant so much more PG. I think Caldari should 30+ base CPU and 3 base PG and Gallente 20+ CPU and 5 PG. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5350	Posted - 2014.07.19 03:01:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc... I don't think this is in the same vain though. It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy. At proto level: 50CPU and 10 PG is actually nothing. Not to mention that reducing Amarr Assaults (specifically) CPU and PG would come next to a CPU and PG decrease in cost for the SCR's. Now im not saying the Amarr doesnt have an advantage here. But think about it.Besides More total HP and stamina, their thing is to be stronger through the use of Better Modules = More CPU and PG. What you are asking for me is the equivalent of me saying: Well, now amarr are the true armor tankers, when are WE getting Natural Passive Reps on all our suits? And since all suits are close to full balance,When are Gal going to loose them? See? and to be honest i dont really think its that much of a problem balance wise. Every suit has pro's and cons. I would agree for a Slight CPU-PG increase for other suits : like 20CPU and 3 PG there by decreasing the difference vs amarr. we are talking base here. With max stats the number becomes even larger. You also forget to mention the higher base ehp, if you'd like to compare that to Gallente it would make sense, but not CPU/PG. Amarr are also meant to have the least amount of slots in the Assault class and they got a buff to bring them in line with the other suits, seems fair. Except the trade was they got more CPU/PG then other suits...now, there is no trade off. The ScR has a higher PG usage yes, but not enough to warrant so much more PG. I think Caldari should 30+ base CPU and 3 base PG and Gallente 20+ CPU and 5 PG. GÖª I did mention the higher EHP values of the Amarr suits GÖª Im against nerfing. If your problem is the CPU/PG of the amarr COMPARED to other suits, as you proposed; it would be better to buff the CPU/PG of other suits. Stealth Storm
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3637	Posted - 2014.07.19 03:04:00 - [10] - Quote I just said the same thing! I don't want the Amarr nerfed, I just want other assault suits to get a equal buff in terms of CPU/PG. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 198	Posted - 2014.07.19 03:04:00 - [11] - Quote You didn't know? We Gallente have been given the worst of everything, and yet we still kick ass! So CCP is taking it one step further to assure Amarr dominance lol! "Anybody order chaos?"
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5350	Posted - 2014.07.19 03:07:00 - [12] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: You didn't know? We Gallente have been given the worst of everything, and yet we still kick ass! So CCP is taking it one step further to assure Amarr dominance lol! b please. Stealth Storm
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2303	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:08:00 - [13] - Quote My reasoning. I am the skybound warrior, you will know to run when you hear the music from above that make panties disappear.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3815	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:19:00 - [14] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: You didn't know? We Gallente have been given the worst of everything, and yet we still kick ass! So CCP is taking it one step further to assure Amarr dominance lol! b please. We only have 3 weapons and no vehicles. Only gold and our sheer awesomeness keep us relevant. (Also: The FOTM gallente logi, followed by it's successor the gallente scout, would like to have a word with you.) (The godfather of tactical logistics)
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5355	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:22:00 - [15] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: You didn't know? We Gallente have been given the worst of everything, and yet we still kick ass! So CCP is taking it one step further to assure Amarr dominance lol! b please. We only have 3 weapons and no vehicles. Only gold and our sheer awesomeness keep us relevant. (Also: The FOTM gallente logi, followed by it's successor the gallente scout, would like to have a word with you.) Forgot how The AR and the SG are 2 of the 5 most used light weapons. The Duvolle being FOTM for a great part of Dust 514's life time. The Gal heavy being the new Badassest Heavy out there. I could go on.But i wont. But i could. Stealth Storm
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3641	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:32:00 - [16] - Quote We also use to have the fastest stamina regain/max to make up for being slow but guess who took that O_O Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12030	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:45:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It made sense when they had the least slots, but now they everything is the same it just seems like they are still going to be the best assault suit. Yes I know the ScR takes the most PG, but it doesn't justify such a massive gap. See our weapons? Yeah they are some of the hardest to fit. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2708	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:50:00 - [18] - Quote You mean how heavy suits have a whole fleet load of CPU/PG? You can fit a MLT heavy full of proto gear and STILL have like half of your fitting reqs unused.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12031	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:56:00 - [19] - Quote Joel II X wrote: You mean how heavy suits have a whole fleet load of CPU/PG? You can fit a MLT heavy full of proto gear and STILL have like half of your fitting reqs unused. Doubt it. I can barely fit my Templar Sent "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11133	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:15:00 - [20] - Quote Because apparently SCR costs 50 more CPU and 10 more PG than my Assault Rifle. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3641	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:16:00 - [21] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It made sense when they had the least slots, but now they everything is the same it just seems like they are still going to be the best assault suit. Yes I know the ScR takes the most PG, but it doesn't justify such a massive gap. See our weapons? Yeah they are some of the hardest to fit. Yeah, I'm going with Cat Merc on this one. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11134	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:19:00 - [22] - Quote And apparently 92CPU/10PG laser is harder to fit than my 90CPU/13PG Duvolle. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3641	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:25:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: And apparently 92CPU/10PG laser is harder to fit than my 90CPU/13PG Duvolle. Wait...are you telling me...that the Duvolle takes more PG to fit!? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11134	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:26:00 - [24] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Cat Merc wrote: And apparently 92CPU/10PG laser is harder to fit than my 90CPU/13PG Duvolle. Wait...are you telling me...that the Duvolle takes more PG to fit!? Atrocious isn't it? Just for that I want my suit to get an extra 60 CPU. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4544	Posted - 2014.07.19 10:26:00 - [25] - Quote Show us your definition of the best assault fits on protofits, per race, and then we can discuss. Anecdotal chat about a single light weapon is not very interesting. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6605	Posted - 2014.07.19 11:41:00 - [26] - Quote Anecdotal is what does Forums does best! see you space cowboy...
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.19 12:03:00 - [27] - Quote does it even matter when the assault class is completely invalidated by scouts? no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave sometimes i run weak guns just to make pubstomping more of a challenge
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.19 12:09:00 - [28] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Show us your definition of the best assault fits on protofits, per race, and then we can discuss. Anecdotal chat about a single light weapon is not very interesting. here are my ak.o viziam lr fits Lr assault Trueblood 2x enhanced light damage mods 1x complex light damage mod viziam laser rifle m209 assault smg stnd flux nade ishukone gauged nano 3 complex armor plates 1 complex armor repper 150 shields 745 armor 9.37 hps 6.05 runspeed and Lr assault Heretic 1x complex damage mods 2x enhanced damage mod viziam laser rifle syndicate smg ex11 packed av nades ishukone gauged nano hives 2 complex armor plates 2 complex armor reppers 150 shield 597 armor 18.75 hps 4.33 ms 6.37 ms no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave sometimes i run weak guns just to make pubstomping more of a challenge
Dragonmeballs Better Hide R Die 46	Posted - 2014.07.19 13:36:00 - [29] - Quote Because the Amarr are the good guys?
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3641	Posted - 2014.07.19 15:10:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Show us your definition of the best assault fits on protofits, per race, and then we can discuss. Anecdotal chat about a single light weapon is not very interesting. I fit the ak.0 exactly as I would fit my gk.0, except I fitted Amarr weapons on the ak.0 and Gallente weapons on the gk.0. ak.0 http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/5584 I think that's the link. CPU 426.65 / 459.375 gF PG 91.75 / 91.875 kW Shield 150 [295.2] HP Armor 300 [448.5] HP eHP 450 [743.7] HP Shield Recharge Rate 20 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 7 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 10 [11.45] s Armor Repair Rate 0 [20.75] HP/s Movement Speed 4.8 [4.75] m/s Strafe Speed 4.32 [4.28] m/s Sprint Speed 7.06 [6.99] m/s Stamina 262.5 gk.0 http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/5585 Fitting Summary CPU 386.984375 / 393.75 gF PG 79.8125 / 78.75 kW Shield 150 [258.9] HP Armor 262.5 [411] HP eHP 412.5 [669.9] HP Shield Recharge Rate 20 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 7 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 10 [11.02] s Armor Repair Rate 2 [22.75] HP/s Movement Speed 5 [4.95] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.46] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [7.28] m/s Stamina183 So you can see that even with replacing a complex extender with a basic one, your still over the fitting limit. Even with the ScR's higher fitting requirements it's still far easier to fit the ak.0 over the gk.0/ck.0 I don't know what's best to use, but I do know the gap and far too large now that the ak.0 as the same amount of slots we have, and with the upcoming buff to the Amarr ak.0 it's going to be even larger. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire



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