DUST Search - Why does Amarr still get the most CPU/PG?

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc...

I don't think this is in the same vain though.

It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy.

At proto level: 50CPU and 10 PG is actually nothing.

Not to mention that reducing Amarr Assaults (specifically) CPU and PG would come next to a CPU and PG decrease in cost for the SCR's.

Now im not saying the Amarr doesnt have an advantage here. But think about it.Besides More total HP and stamina, their thing is to be stronger through the use of Better Modules = More CPU and PG.

What you are asking for me is the equivalent of me saying:
Well, now amarr are the true armor tankers, when are WE getting Natural Passive Reps on all our suits?
And since all suits are close to full balance,When are Gal going to loose them?

See?

and to be honest i dont really think its that much of a problem balance wise.
Every suit has pro's and cons.

I would agree for a Slight CPU-PG increase for other suits : like 20CPU and 3 PG there by decreasing the difference vs amarr.


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Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3635	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:23:00 - [1] - Quote It made sense when they had the least slots, but now they everything is the same it just seems like they are still going to be the best assault suit. Yes I know the ScR takes the most PG, but it doesn't justify such a massive gap. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3636	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:43:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc... I don't think this is in the same vain though. It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3636	Posted - 2014.07.19 02:58:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: I think the CPU/PG increase the amarr suits have is one of those ''stealth racial traits'' suits have.Like Minmatar always having faster speed and better stamina regen or caldari having better shield recharge/delay or GAl having innate Armor rep.etc... I don't think this is in the same vain though. It made sense before, but now I think CPU/PG levels should be within a few points. Yes the Amarr can have more, but 50 CPU and 10 more PG is a tad crazy. At proto level: 50CPU and 10 PG is actually nothing. Not to mention that reducing Amarr Assaults (specifically) CPU and PG would come next to a CPU and PG decrease in cost for the SCR's. Now im not saying the Amarr doesnt have an advantage here. But think about it.Besides More total HP and stamina, their thing is to be stronger through the use of Better Modules = More CPU and PG. What you are asking for me is the equivalent of me saying: Well, now amarr are the true armor tankers, when are WE getting Natural Passive Reps on all our suits? And since all suits are close to full balance,When are Gal going to loose them? See? and to be honest i dont really think its that much of a problem balance wise. Every suit has pro's and cons. I would agree for a Slight CPU-PG increase for other suits : like 20CPU and 3 PG there by decreasing the difference vs amarr. we are talking base here. With max stats the number becomes even larger. You also forget to mention the higher base ehp, if you'd like to compare that to Gallente it would make sense, but not CPU/PG. Amarr are also meant to have the least amount of slots in the Assault class and they got a buff to bring them in line with the other suits, seems fair. Except the trade was they got more CPU/PG then other suits...now, there is no trade off. The ScR has a higher PG usage yes, but not enough to warrant so much more PG. I think Caldari should 30+ base CPU and 3 base PG and Gallente 20+ CPU and 5 PG. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3637	Posted - 2014.07.19 03:04:00 - [4] - Quote I just said the same thing! I don't want the Amarr nerfed, I just want other assault suits to get a equal buff in terms of CPU/PG. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3641	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:16:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It made sense when they had the least slots, but now they everything is the same it just seems like they are still going to be the best assault suit. Yes I know the ScR takes the most PG, but it doesn't justify such a massive gap. See our weapons? Yeah they are some of the hardest to fit. Yeah, I'm going with Cat Merc on this one. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3641	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:25:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: And apparently 92CPU/10PG laser is harder to fit than my 90CPU/13PG Duvolle. Wait...are you telling me...that the Duvolle takes more PG to fit!? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3641	Posted - 2014.07.19 15:10:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Show us your definition of the best assault fits on protofits, per race, and then we can discuss. Anecdotal chat about a single light weapon is not very interesting. I fit the ak.0 exactly as I would fit my gk.0, except I fitted Amarr weapons on the ak.0 and Gallente weapons on the gk.0. ak.0 http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/5584 I think that's the link. CPU 426.65 / 459.375 gF PG 91.75 / 91.875 kW Shield 150 [295.2] HP Armor 300 [448.5] HP eHP 450 [743.7] HP Shield Recharge Rate 20 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 7 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 10 [11.45] s Armor Repair Rate 0 [20.75] HP/s Movement Speed 4.8 [4.75] m/s Strafe Speed 4.32 [4.28] m/s Sprint Speed 7.06 [6.99] m/s Stamina 262.5 gk.0 http://www.protofits.com/fittings/view/0/5585 Fitting Summary CPU 386.984375 / 393.75 gF PG 79.8125 / 78.75 kW Shield 150 [258.9] HP Armor 262.5 [411] HP eHP 412.5 [669.9] HP Shield Recharge Rate 20 HP/s Shield Recharge Delay 7 s Shield Dep. Rec. Delay 10 [11.02] s Armor Repair Rate 2 [22.75] HP/s Movement Speed 5 [4.95] m/s Strafe Speed 4.5 [4.46] m/s Sprint Speed 7.35 [7.28] m/s Stamina183 So you can see that even with replacing a complex extender with a basic one, your still over the fitting limit. Even with the ScR's higher fitting requirements it's still far easier to fit the ak.0 over the gk.0/ck.0 I don't know what's best to use, but I do know the gap and far too large now that the ak.0 as the same amount of slots we have, and with the upcoming buff to the Amarr ak.0 it's going to be even larger. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3643	Posted - 2014.07.19 16:25:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Anecdotal is what does Forums does best! I'm still not sure how more CPU/PG then any other assault suit is Anecdotal. It's totes true! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3648	Posted - 2014.07.20 00:44:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It made sense when they had the least slots, but now they everything is the same it just seems like they are still going to be the best assault suit. Yes I know the ScR takes the most PG, but it doesn't justify such a massive gap. See our weapons? Yeah they are some of the hardest to fit. Yeah, I'm going with Cat Merc on this one. Then I'll take my weapons fitting reductions and go on home thank you very much. Run away! It's what your race is good at! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3657	Posted - 2014.07.20 20:27:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Then I'll take my weapons fitting reductions and go on home thank you very much. Run away! It's what your race is good at! Compares Minmatar cowardice speed to Amarrian speed..... Minmatar run much faster.[/quote] They are also made out of tin cans and sadness. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3659	Posted - 2014.07.21 16:13:00 - [11] - Quote I would still like to know. The Amarr has nearly 100 PG in Charlie. Give Caldari 15 more base CPU and Gallente 3 more base PG. Then I will be happy. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3660	Posted - 2014.07.21 17:45:00 - [12] - Quote RendonaSix wrote: Because you need a bit more to power that much swag. While I agree that the heavy is one of the best looking suits in the game, the mediums and lights on the other hand...I'm not a fan of snakes. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3665	Posted - 2014.07.22 14:26:00 - [13] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: (Also: The FOTM gallente logi, followed by it's successor the gallente scout, would like to have a word with you.) You missed the GalSentinel. Though 2/3 is good enough. Got me there to an extent, but the advantages it has over the Amarr sentinel are not quite as large as was/is the case with the scout and logi. Nonetheless, the point stands, the Gallente have no grounds to complain. Only the reputed Caldari master race had even close to as much time as OP FOTM. The GalSentinel gets beat by Amarr hands down. No ifs ands or buts. Run a Gallente sentinel and try to 1v1 a Amarr sentinel. We had a OP Logi and so did Caldari, but honestly all Logis were OP. It just so happened that Gallente had the most low slots to stack those damn plates. Again, we had a OP scout. F-ing plate stackers got that nerfed. At least it's beingn replaced by the Amarr scout(which people will defend by saying "it's Amarr! It should have a ton of ehp!) And our assault has always been awful. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3665	Posted - 2014.07.22 15:06:00 - [14] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Luis rules 1st wrote: First of all, let's make this straight, it is wrong that they have more CPU/PG. And don't give the pathetic "SR (Or ScR) used more CPU/PG", because then that means they cannot use any other weapon and use better those extra points. Then give them a part of that bonus if they fit a scramble rifle. Otherwise, no extra CPU/PG. We had fewer slots and assaults haven't been rebalanced yet. Also our rifle takes seven PG more than yours does and fitting something else is pointlessly silly. 7 More PG doesn't seem to explain why the suit gets 70 more CPU and 13 more PG in charlie(max skills) Not to mention, with max skills, the ScR and AR have a 4 point difference in PG. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire