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Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 538	Posted - 2014.07.18 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously, how is it even reasonable for heavies to strafe ridiculously and then spray and pray with the HMG? "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 117	Posted - 2014.07.18 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote They're fat. They should have a random chance of tripping. jk. (^______^ )
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3617	Posted - 2014.07.18 18:59:00 - [3] - Quote No, but all the heavies will come in here preaching that they should. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2392	Posted - 2014.07.18 19:02:00 - [4] - Quote I believe strafe speed is set to 90% of movement (not sprint) speed. So no, they don't strafe as fast as a scout. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 539	Posted - 2014.07.18 19:35:00 - [5] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: I believe strafe speed is set to 90% of movement (not sprint) speed. So no, they don't strafe as fast as a scout. Movement speed for a heavy is pretty close to a scout's....kin cats don't change movement speed. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11108	Posted - 2014.07.18 19:47:00 - [6] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I believe strafe speed is set to 90% of movement (not sprint) speed. So no, they don't strafe as fast as a scout. Movement speed for a heavy is pretty close to a scout's....kin cats don't change movement speed. Pretty sure it's not? Heavy movement speed = 3.85m/s Scout movement speed = 5.45m/s Gallente Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2393	Posted - 2014.07.18 19:50:00 - [7] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I believe strafe speed is set to 90% of movement (not sprint) speed. So no, they don't strafe as fast as a scout. Movement speed for a heavy is pretty close to a scout's....kin cats don't change movement speed. Amarr Sentinel Movement Speed 3.65 m/s Strafe Speed 3.285 m/s Amarr Scout Movement Speed 5.25 m/s Strafe Speed 4.725 m/s So the scout strafes over 40% faster. Id say thats a pretty big difference. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 20	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:00:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I believe strafe speed is set to 90% of movement (not sprint) speed. So no, they don't strafe as fast as a scout. Movement speed for a heavy is pretty close to a scout's....kin cats don't change movement speed. Amarr Sentinel Movement Speed 3.65 m/s Strafe Speed 3.285 m/s Amarr Scout Movement Speed 5.25 m/s Strafe Speed 4.725 m/s So the scout strafes over 40% faster. Id say thats a pretty big difference. Can we talk about the difference in jump height now please. My heavy cant jump a step, yet a scout can jump my heavy
Yokal Bob Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 575	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:11:00 - [9] - Quote iv come across these high strafing heavies. does using a kb/m make a difference? iv not used them so im not sure If its not anime, its not real
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2396	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:16:00 - [10] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I believe strafe speed is set to 90% of movement (not sprint) speed. So no, they don't strafe as fast as a scout. Movement speed for a heavy is pretty close to a scout's....kin cats don't change movement speed. Amarr Sentinel Movement Speed 3.65 m/s Strafe Speed 3.285 m/s Amarr Scout Movement Speed 5.25 m/s Strafe Speed 4.725 m/s So the scout strafes over 40% faster. Id say thats a pretty big difference. Can we talk about the difference in jump height now please. My heavy cant jump a step, yet a scout can jump my heavy Dude I feel you. I get that Heavies should not be able to jump like Scouts can, but I get really sick of those Suicide Uplinks because they stick them in a spot you cant get out of because theres a 12 inch ledge you cant jump over. I dont even care if it consumes all my Stamina to do it, the heavy's awful jump height is overly restrictive and should be increased a bit. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1

501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 330	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:16:00 - [11] - Quote It does. Did you get killed by a Minmatar Heavy though? From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2398	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:19:00 - [12] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: iv come across these high strafing heavies. does using a kb/m make a difference? iv not used them so im not sure No, strafe speed is locked by the movement speed of the suit an cannot be increased. It can only be decreased by putting on Armor Plates. Now Heavy Frames and Commandos do have a slightly higher movement speed than Sentinels, but its not significant enough to make them perform like a Scout. In addition the Minmatar heavies are a little bit faster. So there are ways to get a fairly quick heavy, but it doesn't even come close to Scout levels. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 77	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:32:00 - [13] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Seriously, how is it even reasonable for heavies to strafe ridiculously and then spray and pray with the HMG? there are several factors to think about 1) is the heavy using plates or reps.....no plates means no movement restrictions 2) which heavy are you talking about.....each sentinel suit has a different movement speed......min being the fastest 3) is the scout using plates.....plates equal movement restrictions 4) is the sentinel scoped with the hmg......when using the scope it lowers movement speed even more and makes strafing close to impossible. i am not a heavy, i'm a scout so im not being partial to heavies at all. especially since i believe the sentinel need to be more balanced as well as the scouts, logis and assault classes.
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:33:00 - [14] - Quote Gets beat by a heavy who isn't standing still, asks if heavies suppose to strafe like scouts Classic DUST noob. Since when do heavies have the same strafe speed as scouts? What you encountered is a heavy using his left stick to move left and right as fast as he could, and you got rekt. Deal with it. But naaaa... let's QQ and complain about heavies beating up on you. Poor baby.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2402	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:35:00 - [15] - Quote Well and there's the thing, the Heavy has such a significantly larger hitbox that even if it could strafe as fast as a scout, the benefit is still significantly smaller. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
AFK Godfather Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 173	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:40:00 - [16] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Well and there's the thing, the Heavy has such a significantly larger hitbox that even if it could strafe as fast as a scout, the benefit is still significantly smaller. Woah woah woah... get logic dafuq outa here buddy. It doesn't belong in DUST. The OP's "skill" is OBVIOUSLY not the issue here... it's clearly heavies being able to strafe as "fast as scouts"
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3623	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:41:00 - [17] - Quote A fully plated GK.0 sentinel has a movement speed of 3.14m/s and a strafing speed of 2.82m/s. A CK.0 scout has a movement speed of 5.45m/s and a strafing speed of about 4.91m/s. (no plates in the lowslots) The scout is strafing 74% faster then the heavy. If you have problems shoting a heavy that is strafing then your gungame must be horrible.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2404	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:44:00 - [18] - Quote AFK Godfather wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Well and there's the thing, the Heavy has such a significantly larger hitbox that even if it could strafe as fast as a scout, the benefit is still significantly smaller. Woah woah woah... get logic dafuq outa here buddy. It doesn't belong in DUST. The OP's "skill" is OBVIOUSLY not the issue here... it's clearly heavies being able to strafe as "fast as scouts" I am ashamed. I must commit suicide for this dishonorable act....but not in public, that's strictly prohibited. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1531	Posted - 2014.07.18 20:57:00 - [19] - Quote For the people in this thread--the heavy does not strafe as fast as a scout in a straight line or a circle, but they change directions at the same exact speed which is what I believe Bor is referring to. That makes their strafe almost as powerful as a scout's. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 673	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:01:00 - [20] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Seriously, how is it even reasonable for heavies to strafe ridiculously and then spray and pray with the HMG? They should also be able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, since they are already more powerful than a locomotive and spray thousands of speeding bullets. Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V

Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 290	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:14:00 - [21] - Quote No, but proof that CCP made a bad choice for developing DUST on the PS3 and/or are just poor developers in general. We'll see when/if Legion comes around. The strafing is just another thing that got normlized for the sake of better game performance. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 148	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:21:00 - [22] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: I believe strafe speed is set to 90% of movement (not sprint) speed. So no, they don't strafe as fast as a scout. Movement speed for a heavy is pretty close to a scout's....kin cats don't change movement speed. Amarr Sentinel Movement Speed 3.65 m/s Strafe Speed 3.285 m/s Amarr Scout Movement Speed 5.25 m/s Strafe Speed 4.725 m/s So the scout strafes over 40% faster. Id say thats a pretty big difference. Can we talk about the difference in jump height now please. My heavy cant jump a step, yet a scout can jump my heavy Dude I feel you. I get that Heavies should not be able to jump like Scouts can, but I get really sick of those Suicide Uplinks because they stick them in a spot you cant get out of because theres a 12 inch ledge you cant jump over. I dont even care if it consumes all my Stamina to do it, the heavy's awful jump height is overly restrictive and should be increased a bit. We need this
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4479	Posted - 2014.07.18 21:28:00 - [23] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: For the people in this thread--the heavy does not strafe as fast as a scout in a straight line or a circle, but they change directions at the same exact speed which is what I believe Bor is referring to. That makes their strafe almost as powerful as a scout's. No. It does not. The scout has a hitbox one third the size of a heavy. Things interact.
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 45	Posted - 2014.07.18 23:44:00 - [24] - Quote The only heavy that could strafe like a pro is by using a minmatar heavy. I'v seen amarr heavies strafe, but i think they were using kbm. Does kbm play any factor in strafing? The Blazing Intellect Machine
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2167	Posted - 2014.07.18 23:48:00 - [25] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: \ Does kbm play any factor in strafing? Allows you to instantly change directions by tapping the opposite key, instead of manually moving the stick to the other side (slightly faster). "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2510	Posted - 2014.07.19 00:04:00 - [26] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: For the people in this thread--the heavy does not strafe as fast as a scout in a straight line or a circle, but they change directions at the same exact speed which is what I believe Bor is referring to. That makes their strafe almost as powerful as a scout's. No. It does not. The scout has a hitbox one third the size of a heavy, with nearly twice the actual side speed. Things interact. Some of you boys are looking very, very desperately for things to complain about that do not benefit yourself. Were you in the FGC you would've been banned from just about every competitive forum on principle due to how annoying and uncompetitive it is to publicly whine about someone elses toolset on a regular basis. This kind of attitude is a pox in the FPS community and needs to be cleaned up. While I don't actively play scout or heavy myself you both seem to be pretty partial, for example the Heavy deals almost twice the DPS (if it's a shotgun it's a different story) and the heavy has twice if not three time the HP and can fire much longer. Though to strafe anywhere near that fast the heavy has to make huge sacrifices and is still vastly outperformed by the scout in that aspect 40% is it no small number and it gets bigger as you stack plates. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 334	Posted - 2014.07.19 00:06:00 - [27] - Quote LEAVE HEAVIES ALONE. You're ALREADY GETTING THE NERF don't complicate things! We're already going to have a ***** of a time as it is with the range nerf! DUST 514 Forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villa- er, I mean panty weights and neckbeards.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 546	Posted - 2014.07.19 00:08:00 - [28] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: For the people in this thread--the heavy does not strafe as fast as a scout in a straight line or a circle, but they change directions at the same exact speed which is what I believe Bor is referring to. That makes their strafe almost as powerful as a scout's. No. It does not. The scout has a hitbox one third the size of a heavy, with nearly twice the actual side speed. Things interact. Some of you boys are looking very, very desperately for things to complain about that do not benefit yourself. Were you in the FGC you would've been banned from just about every competitive forum on principle due to how annoying and uncompetitive it is to publicly whine about someone elses toolset on a regular basis. This kind of attitude is a pox in the FPS community and needs to be cleaned up. While I don't actively play scout or heavy myself you both seem to be pretty partial, for example the Heavy deals almost twice the DPS (if it's a shotgun it's a different story) and the heavy has twice if not three time the HP and can fire much longer. Though to strafe anywhere near that fast the heavy has to make huge sacrifices and is still vastly outperformed by the scout in that aspect 40% is it no small number and it gets bigger as you stack plates. Very true, but KB/M users with HMGs...smh "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do ... wait... I'm still outclassed by Gal scouts.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 203	Posted - 2014.07.19 13:20:00 - [29] - Quote ok, i'll bite no they shouldn't be quite as quick.... but it ain't all going your way either. scouts and assaults shouldn't be jumping around like they got springs in their boots either. in any real warfare soldiers do not jump up and down whilst shooting. nobody should be shooting from the hip, unless just firing to make others get to cover. all players should be aiming to get the bullets to hit what they want them to hit aka what they are "aiming" at. in other words you want heavys to feel heavy that's ok but for "balance" .there should be no hip fire reticule. .jumping whilst shooting should be wildly inaccurate. .scouts should be for scouting not assaulting. .shotguns should require bracing in order to shoot unless on a heavy due to high amounts of kick. .snipers should be able to go prone. .sniper headshots should ohk .heavy armour should protect it's wearer there are loads more but I've had enough, basically I'm saying that let's just leave this alone or call it what it is... another shot at nerfing the heavy that has only just become useful again.
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Bezimienni... E-R-A 141	Posted - 2014.07.19 13:36:00 - [30] - Quote I strafe with my amarr hmg. Most times against other heavies. It is possible using DS but U cannot scope fire during strafe. If it's too hard plug KB, setup strafe buttons and throw ot under your feet. Aim on DS, strafe on KB. Easy trick.

TechMechMeds Techs Laboratory 3922	Posted - 2014.07.19 14:31:00 - [31] - Quote So Ripley SHOULDNT have killed that queen alien because that powered exoskeleton she used was too heavy?. Help, I can't walk, I can't support my own muscle. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3071	Posted - 2014.07.19 15:03:00 - [32] - Quote Strafe Speeds across the board are too high. Wiggle Wiggling negates too much damage. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 196	Posted - 2014.07.19 15:12:00 - [33] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: ok, i'll bite no they shouldn't be quite as quick.... but it ain't all going your way either. scouts and assaults shouldn't be jumping around like they got springs in their boots either. in any real warfare soldiers do not jump up and down whilst shooting. nobody should be shooting from the hip, unless just firing to make others get to cover. all players should be aiming to get the bullets to hit what they want them to hit aka what they are "aiming" at. in other words you want heavys to feel heavy that's ok but for "balance" .there should be no hip fire reticule. .jumping whilst shooting should be wildly inaccurate. .scouts should be for scouting not assaulting. .shotguns should require bracing in order to shoot unless on a heavy due to high amounts of kick. .snipers should be able to go prone. .sniper headshots should ohk .heavy armour should protect it's wearer there are loads more but I've had enough, basically I'm saying that let's just leave this alone or call it what it is... another shot at nerfing the heavy that has only just become useful again. Thats just stupid. Youre telling us that scouts should be for scouting? So in your way of thinking, assaults should only assault, logis only logi, and heavies only take damage. -~-~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~-~-My CreoDron wont miss any of you
Arcturis Vanguard Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 193	Posted - 2014.07.19 15:50:00 - [34] - Quote Weak thread. A prototype tanked out heavy suit is devastating within its range. Engaging head on is ill advised. But honestly, nothing is more OP then a cloaked and fully dampened scout. I was playing around with fitting yesterday and was testing the boundaries of what I could accomplish with my ck.o scout. I was literally sitting in the open, cloaked, watching red dots run all around me and never noticed. I had other ck.o scouts inches from me with no detection what so ever. I was even decloaked at times with red dots scouts running by me facing my direction with no notice.... Scouts are amazing Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 470	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:16:00 - [35] - Quote Minmatar Heavy/Sen lives and dies by it's strafe...... we are not a stand up brawler like the Ammar or Gals . If we couldn't strafe ... we couldn't fight . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2261	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:17:00 - [36] - Quote Bethhy wrote: OMG CLICK THIS FOR ALL THE ANSWERS TO NEEDLE SPAM AND CALDARI SCOUTS AND HEAVIES!!!!!!
aaaasdff ertgfdd 158	Posted - 2014.07.19 19:24:00 - [37] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: iv come across these high strafing heavies. does using a kb/m make a difference? iv not used them so im not sure No, strafe speed is locked by the movement speed of the suit an cannot be increased. It can only be decreased by putting on Armor Plates. Now Heavy Frames and Commandos do have a slightly higher movement speed than Sentinels, but its not significant enough to make them perform like a Scout. In addition the Minmatar heavies are a little bit faster. So there are ways to get a fairly quick heavy, but it doesn't even come close to Scout levels. Too add to the answer about k /b m, yes it does make a difference. Strafing with kb m is always faster because there is no deadzone for keys. When you move your stick left to right, there is a slight delay in movement because of the area where the stick is at rest, on keyboards this is not an issue, so it doesn't increase strafe speed, but it does increase how fast you can strafe. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Lanius Pulvis SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 313	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:18:00 - [38] - Quote As someone whose Alt is and has been a heavy for about 9 months, I'd say they don't strafe anywhere near as fast as a scout. If you're having trouble hitting them because of strafing, you're probably over compensating when they change direction. If they're strafing with you as you try to dodge and you keep getting hit, it's likely the ridiculously fast turn speed of Heavies that's really killing you. Personally I think turn speed should be lowered slightly, but I wish there was some way to keep it at current levels within a certain cone from center of reticle...say 40 degrees, and past that your speed drops a certain percentage. Not new, just new to you.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 569	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:22:00 - [39] - Quote Should Scouts be able to throw on 4 Complex Plates and still jump over railings? I put on 2 Plates (doesn't matter which) and I get stuck on a pebble. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15969	Posted - 2014.07.19 20:29:00 - [40] - Quote Shouldn't be as possible considering that strafe speeds are reflected off your base speed. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Minmatar Sentinel =// Unlocked

Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 707	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:36:00 - [41] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Seriously, how is it even reasonable for heavies to strafe ridiculously and then spray and pray with the HMG? Edit: I think the point I'm trying to make across is that I find quite a few heavies who strafe pretty quickly, mostly amarr and minmatar heavies, and while there is a 40% difference in strafe speeds for scouts and heavies, it definitely doesn't seem like it when you're in CQC with a Heavy and they use KB/M. And honestly, IDGAF if heavy strafes are nerfed or not, this is really just in an inquiry. I have 3 complex kincats on my amar sentinel.....
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5362	Posted - 2014.07.19 21:59:00 - [42] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Seriously, how is it even reasonable for heavies to strafe ridiculously and then spray and pray with the HMG? Edit: I think the point I'm trying to make across is that I find quite a few heavies who strafe pretty quickly, mostly amarr and minmatar heavies, and while there is a 40% difference in strafe speeds for scouts and heavies, it definitely doesn't seem like it when you're in CQC with a Heavy and they use KB/M. And honestly, IDGAF if heavy strafes are nerfed or not, this is really just in an inquiry. Boromir. I know you are a scout. I play scout too .Most of the times.... BUt lately i've been having some weird a55 fun with My Minmatar sentinel with 2 Cx Kin Kats. Do i deserve to move at 7.7 Sprint and 4.20 walk/strafe? well lets see. I have around 550 Shields and 480 armor. I'm pretty fast and pack a HMG. But compared to a scout i lack: 2 Equipment slots MOre sprnt speed and Movement speed More scan precision , less scan profile Smaller Hitbox Lack armor rep With 1 ENH shield Energizer i have around 30 shield per sec,so EXACTLY the same i have with my Gal scout. More Rage mails. CLOAKS. See? Scotus stills have enough tools to deal with sentinels.Even the fast ones. Sentinles are ok. They are powerful and annoying. Woking as intended. Stealth Storm


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