DUST Search - Radical assault/commando buff

Bojo The Mighty wrote:

Meee One wrote:

Yes it does,logistics gets a fitting reduction to all equipment,even cloaks.

And REs fall under equipment.

And tbh scouts shouldn't have the ability to equip REs,yet they do.

"Use better" is a stupid comparison,lets look at which one specialises in equipment:
-Logistics
Can carry more:
-Logistics
Gets a fitting reduction:
-Logistics

What do scouts get?
-Intel bonuses
-Cloak fitting reduction

Which one is actually "better" with REs?

Lol such a pitiful argument. "I get EQ bonus so I use RE's better"
Scouts use RE's ten times better than Logis because we can run faster thus throw them farther and we have the best passive scanning thus we can use them from behind walls (look ma no eyes!) and the best you can come up with is a finger pointed at CPU/PG reduction.

Meanwhile if a Logistic had no suit bonus whatsoever they wouldn't be able to use any EQ better than anything. Meanwhile a scout can use remote explosives better than any suit regardless of skill bonuses.

And tbh scouts shouldn't have the ability to equip REs,yet they do.Hahahahahaha you're ideas never cease to amuse me.

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Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 911	Posted - 2014.07.18 09:35:00 - [1] - Quote Assaults are mainly being ignored because scouts (and some logistics) can do their jobs better. What if assaults and Lolmandos were the kings of small arms? My idea? -Reduce DPS from all light weapons and sidearms (except KN) by 50% (amount can change) -Give assaults and commandos a 10% damage increase bonus per level to their racial weapons(total 50%,and an additional 10% for commandos aka their current bonus) So a Lv5 Gal assault would do current damage with an AR,but anyone else would do 50% damage. (except commandos who would get an additional 10%) But if a Gal assault equipped a RR he could only do 50%, even if he has Cal assault Lv5. Thoughts?
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 322	Posted - 2014.07.18 10:00:00 - [2] - Quote so basically you're saying why don't we take all the loyal Dust players, and try to stuff them into this tiny little box and the ones that don't fit will be left behind i don't want any more radical changes that will demand full respecs again DUST 514 Forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villa- er, I mean panty weights and neckbeards.
castba Merc-0107 514	Posted - 2014.07.18 10:02:00 - [3] - Quote They would need a +20% per level to bring them up to current stats. Also, people **** and moan about heavies now, can you imagine if scout and logi light weapon damage was halved?
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 911	Posted - 2014.07.18 10:03:00 - [4] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: so basically you're saying why don't we take all the loyal Dust players, and try to stuff them into this tiny little box and the ones that don't fit will be left behind i don't want any more radical changes that will demand full respecs again Tiny box? Lolno more like defined roles. (See logistics bonuses) Scouts and logistics should never be the favored go-to suit for getting kills,assaults/commandos should.
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 911	Posted - 2014.07.18 10:07:00 - [5] - Quote castba wrote: They would need a +20% per level to bring them up to current stats. Also, people ** and moan about heavies now, can you imagine if scout and logi light weapon damage was halved? NO. If Damage were reduced by 50%, they would only get a 50% bonus NOT 100%**. I'm trying to give them an advantageous edge,not the whole sword. Also,screw scouts and slayer logis.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3921	Posted - 2014.07.18 11:48:00 - [6] - Quote Meee One wrote: Assaults are mainly being ignored because scouts (and some logistics) can do their jobs better. I think you mean Assaults have been ignored. As in, in the past. Currently they are getting a lot of attention and there will be Assault buffs in both Charlie and Delta. Edit: Also, your idea is bad. I don't think your realize how big 50% is. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 656	Posted - 2014.07.18 11:48:00 - [7] - Quote Meee One wrote: I'm trying to give them an advantageous edge,not the whole sword. ...by giving Scouts and Logis peashooters? Alt of Halla Murr.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2391	Posted - 2014.07.18 16:22:00 - [8] - Quote yeah.......so making assaults basically do double damage compared to everyone else? That's....excessive. Or we can just buff them by 2% a level, give them weapon support skills, and decent HP regen bonuses and call it a day? Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 914	Posted - 2014.07.18 23:14:00 - [9] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: yeah.......so making assaults basically do double damage compared to everyone else? That's....excessive. Or we can just buff them by 2% a level, give them weapon support skills, and decent HP regen bonuses and call it a day? 2% is the commando bonus,they have cpu/pg reduction. I'm up far more regeneration as long as logistics gets more armor. Fair is fair.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2415	Posted - 2014.07.18 23:36:00 - [10] - Quote Meee One wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: yeah.......so making assaults basically do double damage compared to everyone else? That's....excessive. Or we can just buff them by 2% a level, give them weapon support skills, and decent HP regen bonuses and call it a day? 2% is the commando bonus,they have cpu/pg reduction. I'm up far more regeneration as long as logistics gets more armor. Fair is fair. My point being you don't need to nerf the offensive abilities of every other light weapon class just to make Assaults more relevant. On that note there are a number of active discussions floating around both in this forum and GD, I suggest you check them out as there are some pretty well developed ideas out there that you can help expand on. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1

Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4208	Posted - 2014.07.18 23:37:00 - [11] - Quote Meee One wrote: Assaults are mainly being ignored because scouts (and some logistics) can do their jobs better. What if assaults and Lolmandos were the kings of small arms? My idea? -Reduce DPS from all light weapons and sidearms (except KN) by 50% (amount can change) -Give assaults and commandos a 10% damage increase bonus per level to their racial weapons(total 50%,and an additional 10% for commandos aka their current bonus) So a Lv5 Gal assault would do current damage with an AR,but anyone else would do 50% damage. (except commandos who would get an additional 10%) But if a Gal assault equipped a RR he could only do 50%, even if he has Cal assault Lv5. Thoughts? 50% is a huge margin. Basically you're saying **** scouts and logis you guys shouldn't kill anything at all even though you are forced to use a weapon. If this is so I'd say nerf RE count by 2, nerf damage by 75% but give scouts a +15% to damage per level and +1 carried/active per level. Fair is fair Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 914	Posted - 2014.07.19 00:50:00 - [12] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Meee One wrote: Assaults are mainly being ignored because scouts (and some logistics) can do their jobs better. What if assaults and Lolmandos were the kings of small arms? My idea? -Reduce DPS from all light weapons and sidearms (except KN) by 50% (amount can change) -Give assaults and commandos a 10% damage increase bonus per level to their racial weapons(total 50%,and an additional 10% for commandos aka their current bonus) So a Lv5 Gal assault would do current damage with an AR,but anyone else would do 50% damage. (except commandos who would get an additional 10%) But if a Gal assault equipped a RR he could only do 50%, even if he has Cal assault Lv5. Thoughts? 50% is a huge margin. Basically you're saying **** scouts and logis you guys shouldn't kill anything at all even though you are forced to use a weapon. If this is so I'd say nerf RE count by 2, nerf damage by 75% but give scouts a +15% to damage per level and +1 carried/active per level. Fair is fair REs are equipment,logistics is the equipment master. Scouts specialise in cloaks (hence the fitting reduction). So LOLNO on scouts being better at using equipment than the master support class (logistics).
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4210	Posted - 2014.07.19 01:01:00 - [13] - Quote Meee One wrote: REs are equipment,logistics is the equipment master. Scouts specialise in cloaks (hence the fitting reduction). So LOLNO on scouts being better at using equipment than the master support class (logistics). ***** please, since when did a logi use REs better than a scout? RE's aren't support EQ therefore the master support class does not get a bonus to them. Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 336	Posted - 2014.07.19 01:05:00 - [14] - Quote Well I wholeheartedly disagree with the racial sidearm damage reduction. I was under the impression that most of the point of sidearms was having a smaller, weaker version of the other racial weapons to counterbalance the weaknesses of your primary weapon. Hence why I have a ScP with my HMG. DUST 514 Forums. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villa- er, I mean panty weights and neckbeards.
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 914	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:08:00 - [15] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Meee One wrote: REs are equipment,logistics is the equipment master. Scouts specialise in cloaks (hence the fitting reduction). So LOLNO on scouts being better at using equipment than the master support class (logistics). *** please, since when did a logi use REs better than a scout? RE's aren't support EQ therefore the master support class does not get a bonus to them. Yes it does,logistics gets a fitting reduction to all** equipment,even cloaks. And REs fall under equipment. And tbh scouts shouldn't have the ability to equip REs,yet they do. "Use better" is a stupid comparison,lets look at which one specialises in equipment: -Logistics Can carry more: -Logistics Gets a fitting reduction: -Logistics What do scouts get? -Intel bonuses -Cloak fitting reduction Which one is actually "better" with REs?
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 914	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:14:00 - [16] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Well I wholeheartedly disagree with the racial sidearm damage reduction. I was under the impression that most of the point of sidearms was having a smaller, weaker version of the other racial weapons to counterbalance the weaknesses of your primary weapon. Hence why I have a ScP with my HMG. HMGs would be untouched. ScP does insane damage anyway. But i would consider at least lowering light weapon damage. I'm getting tired of Cal scouts with basic RRs killing me in 4 shots from 100~m. And Gal scouts with ScR. And having my Mk.0 logistics suit killed in a single shot by an invisible enemy using a MLT shotgun 12m away. (often 600+ damage)
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 331	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:35:00 - [17] - Quote Terrible suggestion. Reason being: Who would kill better then? Commando or Assault? The HMG remaining untouched is a buff. TTK doesn't need to be lower, it can already take above a whole clip to whittle down a Proto Sentinel, it's fine. There are discussions already on this topic, please don't make another. Post @ Vrain Matari's Idea on Assaults- The Perfect Solution There, we have already laid out a groundwork for Assaults: Better Regen, Max Stamina, Weapon Bonuses, and possible perks as well. From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2978	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:49:00 - [18] - Quote Are you serious? Is this thread serious? I'm having a hard time taking any of this seriously. Nobody would use any other classes. This is an FPS. In FPSs, the primary objective, above all others, is to kill. Even for Logis and Scouts. If only 2 classes can effectively kill, the others will never be used. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 332	Posted - 2014.07.19 04:54:00 - [19] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Are you serious? Is this thread serious? I'm having a hard time taking any of this seriously. Nobody would use any other classes. This is an FPS. In FPSs, the primary objective, above all others, is to kill. Even for Logis and Scouts. If only 2 classes can effectively kill, the others will never be used. This From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 914	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:13:00 - [20] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Are you serious? Is this thread serious? I'm having a hard time taking any of this seriously. Nobody would use any other classes. This is an FPS. In FPSs, the primary objective, above all others, is to kill. Even for Logis and Scouts. If only 2 classes can effectively kill, the others will never be used. Aww fizzer,of course i'm serious. CCP wants assaults used more and this would do it,while lolassault scouts and slayer logis would become extinct.

JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 68	Posted - 2014.07.19 05:19:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: Assaults are mainly being ignored because scouts (and some logistics) can do their jobs better. What if assaults and Lolmandos were the kings of small arms? My idea? -Reduce DPS from all light weapons and sidearms (except KN) by 50% (amount can change) -Give assaults and commandos a 10% damage increase bonus per level to their racial weapons(total 50%,and an additional 10% for commandos aka their current bonus) So a Lv5 Gal assault would do current damage with an AR,but anyone else would do 50% damage. (except commandos who would get an additional 10%) But if a Gal assault equipped a RR he could only do 50%, even if he has Cal assault Lv5. Thoughts? That's...too much damage cut... Max level brony. My special magic is trolling.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4230	Posted - 2014.07.19 06:57:00 - [22] - Quote Meee One wrote: Yes it does,logistics gets a fitting reduction to all equipment,even cloaks. And REs fall under equipment. And tbh scouts shouldn't have the ability to equip REs,yet they do. "Use better" is a stupid comparison,lets look at which one specialises in equipment: -Logistics Can carry more: -Logistics Gets a fitting reduction: -Logistics What do scouts get? -Intel bonuses -Cloak fitting reduction Which one is actually "better" with REs? Lol such a pitiful argument. "I get EQ bonus so I use RE's better" Scouts use RE's ten times better than Logis because we can run faster thus throw them farther and we have the best passive scanning thus we can use them from behind walls (look ma no eyes!) and the best you can come up with is a finger pointed at CPU/PG reduction. And tbh scouts shouldn't have the ability to equip REs,yet they do. Hahahahahaha you're ideas never cease to amuse me. Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
Meee One Algintal Core Gallente Federation 916	Posted - 2014.07.19 08:33:00 - [23] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Meee One wrote: Yes it does,logistics gets a fitting reduction to all equipment,even cloaks. And REs fall under equipment. And tbh scouts shouldn't have the ability to equip REs,yet they do. "Use better" is a stupid comparison,lets look at which one specialises in equipment: -Logistics Can carry more: -Logistics Gets a fitting reduction: -Logistics What do scouts get? -Intel bonuses -Cloak fitting reduction Which one is actually "better" with REs? Lol such a pitiful argument. "I get EQ bonus so I use RE's better" Scouts use RE's ten times better than Logis because we can run faster thus throw them farther and we have the best passive scanning thus we can use them from behind walls (look ma no eyes!) and the best you can come up with is a finger pointed at CPU/PG reduction. Meanwhile if a Logistic had no suit bonus whatsoever they wouldn't be able to use any EQ better than anything. Meanwhile a scout can use remote explosives better than any suit regardless of skill bonuses. And tbh scouts shouldn't have the ability to equip REs,yet they do.Hahahahahaha you're ideas never cease to amuse me. Aww banjo you're so sweet. I mean bojo. I knew you would come around to my way of seeing things.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 203	Posted - 2014.07.19 15:41:00 - [24] - Quote I'm not in complete agreement here, but the general idea is about right. assaults and commandos should do more damage than scouts and logies do with light weapons. the problem is how to boost assaults damage without stepping on the commandos and without disturbing the balance, I would suggest the same boosts for them as the commando but slightly less to offset the extra speed but I doubt that people would think it's enough. and it would still be restrictive. so I would suggest this to then separate commando and assault . assaults should have bonus grenade damage . commandos should get bonuses to equipment (I'm thinking mostly hives and uplinks but I'm not certain, particularly with it interfering with other suits) failing that I would suggest extra defensive bonuses to the commando suits but with extra damage for assaults. (possibly efficiency on damage mods?)
BLACKEST GUY WarRavens Final Resolution. 50	Posted - 2014.07.19 18:32:00 - [25] - Quote Snake Sellors wrote: I'm not in complete agreement here, but the general idea is about right. assaults and commandos should do more damage than scouts and logies do with light weapons. the problem is how to boost assaults damage without stepping on the commandos and without disturbing the balance, I would suggest the same boosts for them as the commando but slightly less to offset the extra speed but I doubt that people would think it's enough. and it would still be restrictive. so I would suggest this to then separate commando and assault . assaults should have bonus grenade damage . commandos should get bonuses to equipment (I'm thinking mostly hives and uplinks but I'm not certain, particularly with it interfering with other suits) failing that I would suggest extra defensive bonuses to the commando suits but with extra damage for assaults. (possibly efficiency on damage mods?) This is actually a good idea, but as a small role bonus. Though for the commandos it would end up having to be all equipment (I use scanners and reptools mostly on my commandos )


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