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Talon Paetznick II wrote:

heat sink (high slot): reduce heat buildup by use of heat dissipating coolants 10 / 15 / 20

optics (high or low slot you tell me): increase weapon zoom with aid of microtelascopics 20 / 30 / 40

clip size(high slot): increase magazine capacity 5 / 15 / 25

fire rate (high slot): reduce delay between shots fired and increase RPM by accelerating internal processes 3 / 5 / 7

dispersion (low slot): provides a tighter grouping of weapons fire by improving rifling 5 / 10 / 15

kick: (low slot) reduces weapon kick using a force dispersion pad 10 / 20 / 30

safety guard (low slot): reduces blow back damage and seize time with heat redirection mechanism 20 / 30 / 45

auto loader (high maybe low slot): aids in the reload of weapons via small nanites dispensing lubricant along loading compartment 15 / 20 / 25

note all weapons and upgrades would have a soft cap for stats as well as a severe stacking penalty

assault suits would get fitting bonus

expand handheld weapons tree to have a branch pertaining to each module

and yes I do realize this would require a clientside update

even if dust does not see this (since I don't expect a 1.9) I would hope legion might (only if legion is on console otherwise f** legion)

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Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 41	Posted - 2014.07.17 04:03:00 - [1] - Quote heat sink (high slot): reduce heat buildup by use of heat dissipating coolants 10 / 15 / 20 optics (high or low slot you tell me): increase weapon zoom with aid of microtelascopics 20 / 30 / 40 clip size(high slot): increase magazine capacity 5 / 15 / 25 fire rate (high slot): reduce delay between shots fired and increase RPM by accelerating internal processes 3 / 5 / 7 dispersion (low slot): provides a tighter grouping of weapons fire by improving rifling 5 / 10 / 15 kick: (low slot) reduces weapon kick using a force dispersion pad 10 / 20 / 30 safety guard (low slot): reduces blow back damage and seize time with heat redirection mechanism 20 / 30 / 45 auto loader (high maybe low slot): aids in the reload of weapons via small nanites dispensing lubricant along loading compartment 15 / 20 / 25 note all weapons and upgrades would have a soft cap for stats as well as a severe stacking penalty assault suits would get fitting bonus expand handheld weapons tree to have a branch pertaining to each module dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 2	Posted - 2014.07.17 04:25:00 - [2] - Quote This is the part where someone is supposed to say, Ahem, "FKG GENIUS!!!!" So I thought I'd go ahead and ask where the hell this suggestion has been for the last TWO frecking years!?!? Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 2118	Posted - 2014.07.17 04:50:00 - [3] - Quote Too many and ROF is could get real OP real fast. I propose a similar addition of modules but reduced to 4 racial variants (3 more high slot modules in addition to the currently existing Damage Modifier) Gallente Weapon Module: H/L/S Damage Modifier Amarr Weapon Module: H/L/S Heat Sink Minmatar Weapon Module: H/L/S Added Magazine/Clip Caldari Weapon Module: H/L/S Rapid Reload or Zoom Increase This would make for some interesting Assault suit builds The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 2	Posted - 2014.07.17 05:22:00 - [4] - Quote Minmatar are supposedly proficient in projectile/kinetic weaponry, wouldn't dispersion redux be a viable option? Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2952	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:43:00 - [5] - Quote Deathonswift wrote: This is the part where someone is supposed to say, Ahem, "FKG GENIUS!!!!" So I thought I'd go ahead and ask where the hell this suggestion has been for the last TWO frecking years!?!? Its been thought of before. Multiple times. Kage and I have been particularly adamant about it. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2952	Posted - 2014.07.17 06:55:00 - [6] - Quote Ignoring Numbers, I'll share all of my weapon upgrade ideas. Heat Sink - Reduces Heat Buildup Heat Vent - Increase Cooldown and Feedback recovery speeds Muscle Memory Stimulant - Increases Reload Speed Weapon Cycler - Increases RoF Nanite Storage - Increases Ammo Storage capacity Gyroscope - Improves Hipfire Accuracy Targeting Software - Increases Optimal/Effective Ranges Precharger - Reduces Charge time Servo Shock Absorbers - Reduces Weapon Kick and Recoil Target Assessment Software - Increases Headshot Damage My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
Sum1ne Else Haus of Triage 1295	Posted - 2014.07.17 08:26:00 - [7] - Quote I dont agree with this. Too much customisation on any suit. One of tthe reasons you would choose a suit is for its innate bonus. This just renders all those bonuses nullified. You would be facing HP heavy suits with these modules and the weapon to go with the module. Too much COD whilst the dust servers are down OP? Impressive? Longest PLC Kill - 151.8m Logi mk.0 - Commando gk.0 - Scout gk.0 - Assault ak.0
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 42	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:44:00 - [8] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Deathonswift wrote: This is the part where someone is supposed to say, Ahem, "FKG GENIUS!!!!" So I thought I'd go ahead and ask where the hell this suggestion has been for the last TWO frecking years!?!? Its been thought of before. Multiple times. Kage and I have been particularly adamant about it. my solution is more posts a larger thread is more likely to get attention i would say at least three pages in short make this page impossible for a dev to ignore so get all of your freinds to post at least once also if i can get my entire corp to make comments on this topic it will be cake dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 42	Posted - 2014.07.17 14:46:00 - [9] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Ignoring Numbers, I'll share all of my weapon upgrade ideas. Heat Sink - Reduces Heat Buildup Heat Vent - Increase Cooldown and Feedback recovery speeds Muscle Memory Stimulant - Increases Reload Speed Weapon Cycler - Increases RoF Nanite Storage - Increases Ammo Storage capacity Gyroscope - Improves Hipfire Accuracy Targeting Software - Increases Optimal/Effective Ranges Precharger - Reduces Charge time Servo Shock Absorbers - Reduces Weapon Kick and Recoil Target Assessment Software - Increases Headshot Damage Zealot Module - prevents overheat feedback completely. User takes continuous damage for firing an overheated weapon instead. maybe a weapon melee reach for us nova knifers dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3895	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:03:00 - [10] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: Fizzer94 wrote: Ignoring Numbers, I'll share all of my weapon upgrade ideas. Heat Sink - Reduces Heat Buildup Heat Vent - Increase Cooldown and Feedback recovery speeds Muscle Memory Stimulant - Increases Reload Speed Weapon Cycler - Increases RoF Nanite Storage - Increases Ammo Storage capacity Gyroscope - Improves Hipfire Accuracy Targeting Software - Increases Optimal/Effective Ranges Precharger - Reduces Charge time Servo Shock Absorbers - Reduces Weapon Kick and Recoil Target Assessment Software - Increases Headshot Damage Zealot Module - prevents overheat feedback completely. User takes continuous damage for firing an overheated weapon instead. maybe a weapon melee reach for us nova knifers A stick and a roll of Duct Tape? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8819	Posted - 2014.07.17 15:07:00 - [11] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Too many and ROF is could get real OP real fast. ROF is very similar to a straight up damage increase, which we have now, but with the drawback of consuming more ammo (and the positive improved CQC since higher ROF is better in those situations than straight up damage). I'd say it's a pretty fair trade off. Amarr are the good guys Their way of the Commando seems right and noble
Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 2	Posted - 2014.07.17 16:23:00 - [12] - Quote Now, while we're at it, let's ditermine what slot these will go into. Personally, these are technically mods, so I propose allocating them to the high slot, or equipment. In the equipment slots, players are going to have choose carefully in order to balance the modifications with whaterver else they may want (Scouts and logistics players). This would give a better purpose for medium build Assault class players whom only have one equipment slot. In the high slot, they would need to cost more CPU and PG to counteract snipers and scouts collectively stacking these already conveinient mods. Thoughts? Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 45	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:20:00 - [13] - Quote Deathonswift wrote: Now, while we're at it, let's ditermine what slot these will go into. Personally, these are technically mods, so I propose allocating them to the high slot, or equipment. In the equipment slots, players are going to have choose carefully in order to balance the modifications with whaterver else they may want (Scouts and logistics players). This would give a better purpose for medium build Assault class players whom only have one equipment slot. In the high slot, they would need to cost more CPU and PG to counteract snipers and scouts collectively stacking these already conveinient mods. Thoughts? like I said fitting bonus and soft caps make assault the only practical user of said mods like how scouts have cloaks assault suits gain insane weapon costimizability and have a jacked up light weapon over the commandos two bland light weapons dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 6	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:41:00 - [14] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: like I said fitting bonus and soft caps make assault the only practical user of said mods like how scouts have cloaks assault suits gain insane weapon costimizability and have a jacked up light weapon over the commandos two bland light weapons I see, but you forget about those players who don't care about practicality. They'll use the mods how ever they wish. Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 45	Posted - 2014.07.18 04:51:00 - [15] - Quote Deathonswift wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: like I said fitting bonus and soft caps make assault the only practical user of said mods like how scouts have cloaks assault suits gain insane weapon costimizability and have a jacked up light weapon over the commandos two bland light weapons I see, but you forget about those players who don't care about practicality. They'll use the mods how ever they wish. and for that they will suffer fitting penalties and sacrifice tank-ability the weapon mods should be made less practical to fit but not impractical on non assault suits dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 145	Posted - 2014.07.18 05:16:00 - [16] - Quote Me likes this idea
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 45	Posted - 2014.07.18 05:17:00 - [17] - Quote Deathonswift wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: like I said fitting bonus and soft caps make assault the only practical user of said mods like how scouts have cloaks assault suits gain insane weapon costimizability and have a jacked up light weapon over the commandos two bland light weapons I see, but you forget about those players who don't care about practicality. They'll use the mods how ever they wish. why is it so bad that they have the freedom of choice would you perhaps believe assualts should have an altogether uniqe slot that allows only them to fit wepon upgrades it would be like only logis having tool slots or scouts having a cloak slot rather than going into a tool slot and those who use mods however they wish would have the option eliminated but on the same token the concept and philosophy of fitting in dust would be compromised instead of the you can fit whatever you want however you want however you want so long as it is within the capabilities of your suit it would be you can only fit certain things a certain way because this is what I (the dev or sugester of ideas) think this is best for you besides the unorthodox can easily be oddly effective I mean look at the PLC if you cant hack it don't even try the option should remain open no mater how impractical it may be dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 12	Posted - 2014.07.20 00:09:00 - [18] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: I see, but you forget about those players who don't care about practicality. They'll use the mods how ever they wish. why is it so bad that they have the freedom of choice would you perhaps believe assualts should have an altogether uniqe slot that allows only them to fit wepon upgrades it would be like only logis having tool slots or scouts having a cloak slot rather than going into a tool slot and those who use mods however they wish would have the option eliminated but on the same token the concept and philosophy of fitting in dust would be compromised instead of the you can fit whatever you want however want so long as it is within the capabilities of your suit it would be you can only fit certain things a certain way because this is what I (the dev or sugester of ideas) think this is best for you besides the unorthodox can easily be oddly effective I mean look at the PLC if you cant hack it don't even try the option should remain open no mater how impractical it may be [/quote] 1.) I don't remember saying this, nor did what I said even imply the notion, so don't stick alternative meanings on my words. 2.) My question was simple, but since you seem to overanalyze player comments, I'll type it plain. "How do you intend to make the assault class the most reasonable choice for the weapon modifications?" Since they would probably be regarded in the same manner as the weapon damage modification, were they implemented. Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 12	Posted - 2014.07.20 00:11:00 - [19] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: like I said fitting bonus and soft caps make assault the only practical user of said mods like how scouts have cloaks assault suits gain insane weapon costimizability and have a jacked up light weapon over the commandos two bland light weapons To reiterate. Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 47	Posted - 2014.07.21 02:07:00 - [20] - Quote Deathonswift wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: like I said fitting bonus and soft caps make assault the only practical user of said mods like how scouts have cloaks assault suits gain insane weapon costimizability and have a jacked up light weapon over the commandos two bland light weapons To reiterate. I see your point perhaps insane fitting requirements that only assault suits are exempt from or get a fitting bonus for, just like cloaks, possible but impractical dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!

Deathonswift SINISTER DEVELOPMENTS 12	Posted - 2014.07.21 03:15:00 - [21] - Quote How about adding some 'odd' debuffs tothe mods, such as movement speed penalties, since they would technically be a attachment to the weapon, it would add to the total weight you are hauling. This would make it distastful to run on other loadouts. Ex. Heavies are slow enough, if they were to get even slower due to a mod, even slightly, some players would chose to refrain from the mods. A huge part of the scout's build is his speed, if he has to give a bit of it in order to gain improvements on his weapons? And logis? If they want to give up on supportive mods to increase the capabilities of their personal weapon, let 'em. They'll be slower and easier for me to snipe. Of course, to any assault worth his ISK, a little change in weight in exchange for the improvement of his weapon won't mind the change, especially since you'd have found how wonderous Ferroscale can be. Thoughts? Darkness shrouds as Fire purges. I am the Wraith.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 12062	Posted - 2014.07.21 03:44:00 - [22] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: heat sink (high slot): reduce heat buildup by use of heat dissipating coolants 10 / 15 / 20 optics (high or low slot you tell me): increase weapon zoom with aid of microtelascopics 20 / 30 / 40 clip size(high slot): increase magazine capacity 5 / 15 / 25 fire rate (high slot): reduce delay between shots fired and increase RPM by accelerating internal processes 3 / 5 / 7 dispersion (low slot): provides a tighter grouping of weapons fire by improving rifling 5 / 10 / 15 kick: (low slot) reduces weapon kick using a force dispersion pad 10 / 20 / 30 safety guard (low slot): reduces blow back damage and seize time with heat redirection mechanism 20 / 30 / 45 auto loader (high maybe low slot): aids in the reload of weapons via small nanites dispensing lubricant along loading compartment 15 / 20 / 25 note all weapons and upgrades would have a soft cap for stats as well as a severe stacking penalty assault suits would get fitting bonus expand handheld weapons tree to have a branch pertaining to each module and yes I do realize this would require a clientside update even if dust does not see this (since I don't expect a 1.9) I would hope legion might (only if legion is on console otherwise f** legion) Modules relating to targeting traditionally go in Medium Slots which in Dust 514 are high slots. Damage modules and would fit into the lows as well as modules that alter fundamental weapons functions while the rest can fit in the highs. Kick, Dispersion, and Optics are high slots. Auto Loader, Fire rate, Safety Guard, Clip Size, and any other function altering modules are all lows. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 788	Posted - 2014.07.21 04:45:00 - [23] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: heat sink (high slot): reduce heat buildup by use of heat dissipating coolants 10 / 15 / 20 optics (high or low slot you tell me): increase weapon zoom with aid of microtelascopics 20 / 30 / 40 clip size(high slot): increase magazine capacity 5 / 15 / 25 fire rate (high slot): reduce delay between shots fired and increase RPM by accelerating internal processes 3 / 5 / 7 dispersion (low slot): provides a tighter grouping of weapons fire by improving rifling 5 / 10 / 15 kick: (low slot) reduces weapon kick using a force dispersion pad 10 / 20 / 30 safety guard (low slot): reduces blow back damage and seize time with heat redirection mechanism 20 / 30 / 45 auto loader (high maybe low slot): aids in the reload of weapons via small nanites dispensing lubricant along loading compartment 15 / 20 / 25 note all weapons and upgrades would have a soft cap for stats as well as a severe stacking penalty assault suits would get fitting bonus expand handheld weapons tree to have a branch pertaining to each module and yes I do realize this would require a clientside update even if dust does not see this (since I don't expect a 1.9) I would hope legion might (only if legion is on console otherwise f** legion) Not a fan of all on the list but the idea is awesome and should be looked at immediately. but Can you image them trying to balance with all of these things in play?


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