DUST Search - Boundless hmg

Mikey Ducati wrote:

JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote:

Mikey Ducati wrote:

Bormir1r wrote:

Mikey Ducati wrote:

Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff.

OP, factors to consider:

HMG proficiency rating

Damage Mods

Personal Skill

I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place.

The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced.

I don't like the HMG overheat idea because the buffs prior to the Sentinel being hugely popular now were designed to make the gunfights better overall. It's not the HMG or the Sentinel's fault that they are doing what they are supposed to.

I can compromise (or better yet, get over) the possible overheat changes for HMG.

It's really unnecessary and just a catering issue to players who just plain suck.

Why am I not surprised AT ALL that you run heavy/hmg?

Because like most people, you view things in black and white. If a person is against the nerf, you and others assume the person uses it. Did you know Im skilled into all suits and run all roles, depending on the situation?

Im all about whats right. I dont seek to nerf what has bested me.

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Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 166	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:06:00 - [1] - Quote so what is going on with this? I have myself noticed a marked difference between the boundless and the mh-82. and it does not seem better! seriously. I got melted by somebody using the mh against me and I noticed that my own boundless didn't do the damage that the other guys did do. so I looked into it... sure enough my own boundless was outclassed by the mh in my own hands too. wtf? is this a hit detection issue on the boundless? I have asked around some disagree but a lot do agree with me.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10947	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:09:00 - [2] - Quote It's simple. When you're talking hundreds of DPS, to the point where an HMG can kill you faster than the human reaction time, a 5% increase in DPS isn't noticeable. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:15:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place.
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10477	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:16:00 - [4] - Quote MH-82 Heavy Machine Gun: 756 DPS Boundless Heavy Machine Gun: 792 DPS You probably found yourself out-performing with the MH-82 simply because you were in a better situation, as the DPS increase (36 HP) is negligible. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 166	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:18:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks for replying, I agree the damage that's labelled shouldn't be noticeable. but it was noticeable, in the wrong direction. I actually ran it for about half a day in case it was due to weaker opponents. then went back to my boundless, same thing. it seems to perform the same as my boundless when it has 3 damage mods equipped, but without the need for damage mods it could be a hit detection issue if more of the bullets are hitting on the mh... I find it a bit puzzling.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 493	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:36:00 - [6] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do that.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 166	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:38:00 - [7] - Quote JUST TO BE CLEAR. I run a calsent heavy BELIEVE me, in no way do I want a heavy nerf. I'm not even happy with the slight nerf were getting in Charlie. I'm an average heavy, I manage to go positive and normally am within top 7 or so it could very easily be that I just came upon a very good heavy (the round that made me question this guy went 85-4. fair play to him) followed by some bad blueberries on the morning I played with the mh, but it seemed to me like the boundless didn't do the damage it should.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 266	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:43:00 - [8] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced. I don't like the HMG overheat idea because the buffs prior to the Sentinel being hugely popular now were designed to make the gunfights better overall. It's not the HMG or the Sentinel's fault that they are doing what they are supposed to. I can compromise (or better yet, get over) the possible overheat changes for HMG. It's really unnecessary and just a catering issue to players who just plain suck.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 494	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:55:00 - [9] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced. I don't like the HMG overheat idea because the buffs prior to the Sentinel being hugely popular now were designed to make the gunfights better overall. It's not the HMG or the Sentinel's fault that they are doing what they are supposed to. I can compromise (or better yet, get over) the possible overheat changes for HMG. It's really unnecessary and just a catering issue to players who just plain suck. I really want to see how the heat buildup is on the HMG....once I see that it'll be easier to determine which direction the HMG should go. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only mk.0 Scouts do that.
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1880	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:01:00 - [10] - Quote BLARG! I'm so jaded just seeing thread title I thought this was going to be another nerfing game. Sorry Snake. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6525	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:03:00 - [11] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced. HMG is way too good but heavies are in a good place. Heavy suit = good HMG = Need to be less scrubby. see you space cowboy...
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1880	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:13:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: snip Heavy suit = good HMG = Need to be less scrubby. You used to be one of the good guys Kirk, what happened? Forum Metagaming is beneath you. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 99	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:19:00 - [13] - Quote Going against NS is how I test my weapons worth. Using boundless against Matsaki Fire i'm at 50/50. Comes down to reaction time. Fatty Fat Fat gk.0 - HMG / Duvolle Noob DS Ferryman
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6525	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:22:00 - [14] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: snip Heavy suit = good HMG = Need to be less scrubby. You used to be one of the good guys Kirk, what happened? Forum Metagaming is beneath you. and you must live underneath a rock. see you space cowboy...
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 167	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:29:00 - [15] - Quote o.k I assume then that nobody else has noticed this effect, so it's either issues for me so put in a ticket, or it's a case of my imagination in which case ignore it.
buzzzzzzz killllllllll Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 585	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:34:00 - [16] - Quote i think we all agree the hmg needs a range nerf right? i was on my scout alt using an e-war gal scout and got melted at 47 meters by an mh-82 while i was backpedaling and spamming my rs-90 at an amarr heavy. the combat rifle should most definitely win at that range, even on an untanked suit. I support a range nerf and maybe hmg overheat increase, as well as fitting space reductions on heavies, and im proto heavy with maxed hmg skills, so that says something
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 46	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:35:00 - [17] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced. I don't like the HMG overheat idea because the buffs prior to the Sentinel being hugely popular now were designed to make the gunfights better overall. It's not the HMG or the Sentinel's fault that they are doing what they are supposed to. I can compromise (or better yet, get over) the possible overheat changes for HMG. It's really unnecessary and just a catering issue to players who just plain suck. Why am I not surprised AT ALL that you run heavy/hmg?
CRNWLLC Gangsta Gank 365	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:36:00 - [18] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: ...(and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed)... They'll choose ScRs because f@ck me.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10981	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:36:00 - [19] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. Did I call for it's nerf right now? No, I did not, I stated a simple fact. When you have so much DPS, a 5% increase isn't noticeable. I can notice the damage upgrade from a GEK to a Duvolle, from an RS-90 to a Boundless, but not with the HMG. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1340	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:38:00 - [20] - Quote but the hevy soot to oil OP scount suit nurf them naow they OP but hevy hng "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10982	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:39:00 - [21] - Quote Also, you might want to look at my nerf thread history. Notice how I didn't do a single nerf thread in a month at least? So saying that all I do is call for nerfs is BS. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1729	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:24:00 - [22] - Quote Is your proficiency skills maxed out. I know mine is and if I run a MH-82 it is equal to a boundless that has few points or none skilled into proficiency. The person most likely was maxed out in skill or they are very good at the weapon. I know a few tricks to take down heavies faster, many times I have dropped a proto before he got 20% into my Armor and I run a Dren Heavy 98% of the time when I run heavy. Info fact a Dren heavy is a Tier 1 heavy or basic. Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
Rusty Shallows Caldari State 1882	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:33:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: snip Heavy suit = good HMG = Need to be less scrubby. You used to be one of the good guys Kirk, what happened? Forum Metagaming is beneath you. and you must live underneath a rock. I' m sorry for whatever made you turn out this way Kirk. Forums > Game: So here is a cookie and a Like. Please keep posting. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha! >>> GòÜ(GÇóGîéGÇó)Gò¥ >>>
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 271	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:55:00 - [24] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced. I don't like the HMG overheat idea because the buffs prior to the Sentinel being hugely popular now were designed to make the gunfights better overall. It's not the HMG or the Sentinel's fault that they are doing what they are supposed to. I can compromise (or better yet, get over) the possible overheat changes for HMG. It's really unnecessary and just a catering issue to players who just plain suck. Why am I not surprised AT ALL that you run heavy/hmg? Because like most people, you view things in black and white. If a person is against the nerf, you and others assume the person uses it. Did you know Im skilled into all suits and run all roles, depending on the situation? Im all about whats right. I dont seek to nerf what has bested me.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 46	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:40:00 - [25] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Cat Merc, you are very insistent on nerfing everything and that's all that your posts be about. Nerfing stuff. OP, factors to consider: HMG proficiency rating Damage Mods Personal Skill I've seen people beast with the basic HMG, the MH82 and the Boundless. It's all about personal skill. I know you guys are intent on nerfing the HMG (and I wonder what the wise folks of General Discussions will choose next after they get that nerfed), but its really no need. Alot of you just suck using a HMG and alot of you lie just to get the weapon and/or class nerfed. The Sentinels are in a good place. The heavies are in a good place, I just hope the HMG overheat is a reasonable enough nerf. I do think currently though that the HMG is slightly too good, (why else are there so many heavies around with HMGs?), and you can see this with people getting mowed down 50ft away...). But nonetheless heavies are pretty balanced. I don't like the HMG overheat idea because the buffs prior to the Sentinel being hugely popular now were designed to make the gunfights better overall. It's not the HMG or the Sentinel's fault that they are doing what they are supposed to. I can compromise (or better yet, get over) the possible overheat changes for HMG. It's really unnecessary and just a catering issue to players who just plain suck. Why am I not surprised AT ALL that you run heavy/hmg? Because like most people, you view things in black and white. If a person is against the nerf, you and others assume the person uses it. Did you know Im skilled into all suits and run all roles, depending on the situation? Im all about whats right. I dont seek to nerf what has bested me. I guess I dont get it because ive never been nerfed. Actually, thats not true, forge gun many moons ago. I never stopped using it though. The word "nerf" is bad. "Balance" is much better. I have yet to see anything get "nerfed" that didnt deserve it. The problem is CCP overdoes it, hence "nerf" instead of "balance". What really needs a nerf is the fotm chasing that has been the scourge of this game.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 272	Posted - 2014.07.14 23:47:00 - [26] - Quote JUDASisMYhomeboy wrote: I guess I dont get it because ive never been nerfed. Actually, thats not true, forge gun many moons ago. I never stopped using it though. The word "nerf" is bad. "Balance" is much better. I have yet to see anything get "nerfed" that didnt deserve it. The problem is CCP overdoes it, hence "nerf" instead of "balance". What really needs a nerf is the fotm chasing that has been the scourge of this game. I've seen plenty of things getting nerfed that don't deserve it. The Sentinels were nerfed before. Became a joke, now buffed and people want to nerf it again. The ARs, once the dominate rifle out of limited choices was nerfed as well. Later it would be buffed when other weapons came about. And here's the thing about FOTM that so few understand. There are players who will go with whatever is strongest due to their desire to win. So when you nerf something, they look at the stats and see its not powerful. They then look for the next powerful combination of suits and modules according to the changes. Once found, that becomes the next "FOTM". So we are doing nothing more than chasing a unicorn. In order to destroy FOTM, you would need to make a flat balance attempt. Basically, everything would have to be equal to each other.
Grimmiers 631	Posted - 2014.07.15 01:01:00 - [27] - Quote Hmg vs hmg combat is silly sometimes. Also the gallente is resistant to projectiles so that could lower your dps. I'm not asking for any nerfs, but the hmg should be more for killing medium and light frames instead of other heavies. The clip size and rof should be the perks of using the hmg, but maybe the heating changes will make sprayed less.
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers IMMORTAL REGIME 775	Posted - 2014.07.15 08:34:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: MH-82 Heavy Machine Gun: 756 DPS Boundless Heavy Machine Gun: 792 DPS You probably found yourself out-performing with the MH-82 simply because you were in a better situation, as the DPS increase (36 HP) is negligible. This. Also, was your suit fitted exactly the same or did you put the extra pg/cpu you had to work in the form of a little more HP? The tiny difference in DPS along with being able to tank a little more leads to the MH-82 being superior to the Boundless in most situations. The cost also makes it much better when you consider that you are losing very little. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4084	Posted - 2014.07.15 09:41:00 - [29] - Quote Try spooling up your HMG before you engage the enemy. While yes it shouldn't matter, it makes your reticle smaller which ends up dealing tons of damage to the enemy before they know it. Works well with any HMG, especially in combination with headshots :P 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 182	Posted - 2014.07.15 16:20:00 - [30] - Quote I'll try to answer everybody being helpful here, yes I am maxed out on proficiency hmg, I'm also aware that my calsent wouldn't be as good in sustained fire as gallente etc, I did use the same fit and only changed the hmg, it was what I wanted to find out after all. the heavy I was against when I noticed the difference was way better than me, I am definitely an average heavy, it's my secondary role which I only do for fun and according to the map, I'm under no disillusion about my prowess, lol but I noticed the difference on my own fit too, the mh seems to do more damage, it is possible that it's circumstantial illusion, after all the difference between them is minimal, against weaker enemies etc.... but I did run it for a full morning and I wasn't coming up against the same people over and over. thanks for the spool tip, I do forget to do that.

Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3588	Posted - 2014.07.15 16:24:00 - [31] - Quote Sound like lag, also could be depending on the suit. Amarr have the best defense vs the HMG and Gallente is 2nd. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4991	Posted - 2014.07.15 16:26:00 - [32] - Quote Perhaps it's something to do with spool-up? Maybe a hidden stat intended to reduce recoil for adv/proto weapons is adversly affecting the dispersement of the Boundless. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 182	Posted - 2014.07.15 16:26:00 - [33] - Quote yeah, that's what I'm thinking, but with this game wasn't sure if it was just hit detection.


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