DUST Search - Modded controller + Adv ScR = 50/0

Happy Violentime wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

Lea Silencio wrote:

Zindorak wrote:

Lea Silencio wrote:

Modded controllers serve no purpose and have no benefit other than helping the user overheat faster...and more often.

If you are spamming R1 during your engagements with an ScR, you are doing it wrong.

Then im doing it wrong lol. Can you teach me how to doug i mean use it

Engage at your optimal. Place your shots instead of just spamming the trigger. Learn to manage your heat. Know when and when not to engage. Throwing yourself in a enemy infested resupply is an example of a "no no".

Pick off one enemy at a time, as the ScR is the best 1v1 weapon out there.

Works perfect for modded controllers with sense? lol.

Put aim on target... Let your crosshair or LDS turn "Red" Hold down the fire button... Max ROF no recoil. rinse repeat.

Also? It negates the heat build up mechanics which allows you to get more shots off before you overheat..

Charge shots with a scrambler just require you to set your turbo macro.. or toggle a switch.

Now imagine a Kaalakoita RR.. and no the charge up mechanic is easy to set around.

Nothing is complicated with understanding how turbos work... They had them on the Original Nintendo console that developers THEN had to start developing around so their games where still challenging and not easy to beat.

No recoil is No recoil.. Pair it with how you can see people through walls, have an aim assist.... and common? this is a hackers video from a PC FPS game. lol.

Please oh wise one explain how a turbo controller can get around the charge up time of the rail rifle, oh and explain how that would also work for the bolt pistol, forge gun, large railgun and railgun installation.

I'm waiting with baited breath.

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KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1159	Posted - 2014.07.16 14:09:00 - [61] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Yeah but no other FPS will ever have a weapon half so satisfying as the Laser Rifle and Scrambler Rifle..... Oh wait...... DMR and Fusion Rifle.... ASMD Core rifle, both modes+combo... <3 <3 <3 People would enjoy Dust a lot more if they accepted the fact that EVERYTHING is subject to change
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 4041	Posted - 2014.07.16 14:30:00 - [62] - Quote I think it goes on a LOT more than people admit. I was talking with a dude the other day and he said there are dudes that run macros that perform the crazy 2 ft back and forth straffing. I guess there is an adapter that makes the PS3 think the KB/M is a DS3??? I've stood next to a person and watched him switch his turbo on and off at a supply depot while firing different weapons. He no longer plays Dust, but I'm not going to drop names. There is also talk of somehow running the PS3 through a flash drive instead of the HD? Supposedly this allows you to spawn in much faster than a SSD. That one seems weird. I don't like to QQ about that kind of stuff though. If people are that desperate to be good at a video game then I guess congrats to them. But there are simple things like making the ROF somewhere in the realm of human limitations to prevent it where you can. Level 4 Forum Warrior Currently on a quest to get all suits to ADV (8 remaining) PSN: wbrom42
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1495	Posted - 2014.07.16 14:35:00 - [63] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: Bethhy wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: Zindorak wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: Modded controllers serve no purpose and have no benefit other than helping the user overheat faster...and more often. If you are spamming R1 during your engagements with an ScR, you are doing it wrong. Then im doing it wrong lol. Can you teach me how to doug i mean use it Engage at your optimal. Place your shots instead of just spamming the trigger. Learn to manage your heat. Know when and when not to engage. Throwing yourself in a enemy infested resupply is an example of a "no no". Pick off one enemy at a time, as the ScR is the best 1v1 weapon out there. Works perfect for modded controllers with sense? lol. Put aim on target... Let your crosshair or LDS turn "Red" Hold down the fire button... Max ROF no recoil. rinse repeat. Also? It negates the heat build up mechanics which allows you to get more shots off before you overheat.. Charge shots with a scrambler just require you to set your turbo macro.. or toggle a switch. Now imagine a Kaalakoita RR.. and no the charge up mechanic is easy to set around. Nothing is complicated with understanding how turbos work... They had them on the Original Nintendo console that developers THEN had to start developing around so their games where still challenging and not easy to beat. No recoil is No recoil.. Pair it with how you can see people through walls, have an aim assist.... and common? this is a hackers video from a PC FPS game. lol. Please oh wise one explain how a turbo controller can get around the charge up time of the rail rifle, oh and explain how that would also work for the bolt pistol, forge gun, large railgun and railgun installation. I'm waiting with baited breath. A macro controller would only work with the Charge shot of the ScrR because the ScrR also has a semi auto fire mode, the other weapons you mentioned do not. You would simply set the Macro to hold the first button press for how long the ScrR takes to charge around 2 sec I think, then to switch to turbo. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Master Jaraiya Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1495	Posted - 2014.07.16 15:04:00 - [64] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: I think it goes on a LOT more than people admit. I was talking with a dude the other day and he said there are dudes that run macros that perform the crazy 2 ft back and forth straffing. I guess there is an adapter that makes the PS3 think the KB/M is a DS3??? I've stood next to a person and watched him switch his turbo on and off at a supply depot while firing different weapons. He no longer plays Dust, but I'm not going to drop names. There is also talk of somehow running the PS3 through a flash drive instead of the HD? Supposedly this allows you to spawn in much faster than a SSD. That one seems weird. I don't like to QQ about that kind of stuff though. If people are that desperate to be good at a video game then I guess congrats to them. But there are simple things like making the ROF somewhere in the realm of human limitations to prevent it where you can. Most likely it does. Yes there are indeed. I've seen them for sale at different retailers. IDK How, but a few days ago I was playing and on my initial spawn of a Domination, I spawned on the ground, moved about 2m to the right and was killed by a remote explosive. I agree 100% "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 739	Posted - 2014.07.16 15:12:00 - [65] - Quote http://youtu.be/h4fpctrVSTk first overheat with turbo 2nd without.
Spaceman-Rob Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 456	Posted - 2014.07.16 15:24:00 - [66] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: http://youtu.be/h4fpctrVSTk first overheat with turbo 2nd without. Holy mother of God, that was some rapid fire using turbo, wouldn't stand a chance against that. Wow!
aaaasdff ertgfdd 147	Posted - 2014.07.16 15:45:00 - [67] - Quote Victor889 wrote: This kind of blatant use of cheating mechanics is disgusting. I just saw a guy (on my team) using a proto Cal Scout and the advanced ScR, clearly and blatantly using a modded controller, yes I know you can't stop or moderate it but it's just a real shame people feel the need to abuse game mechanics like that. you know who you are. (and in case you don't it was some guy, something about throwing a cat - Prima Galactus I think... bender..) Modded controllers are legit input methods, it sucks, but they are legal, you can purchase one as well. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect Dark Taboo 1511	Posted - 2014.07.16 15:54:00 - [68] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: http://youtu.be/h4fpctrVSTk first overheat with turbo 2nd without. Thanks, I added this to the thread in the 'features and ideas' section. Hopefully we can get this fixed in Charlie.
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 741	Posted - 2014.07.16 16:03:00 - [69] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: boba's fetta wrote: http://youtu.be/h4fpctrVSTk first overheat with turbo 2nd without. Holy mother of God, that was some rapid fire using turbo, wouldn't stand a chance against that. Wow! it does appear that the scrmabler is the weapon most suited to use with a modded controller.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3076	Posted - 2014.07.17 23:48:00 - [70] - Quote Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I've used a modded controller before with scrambler rifle and it aint really all that good. close range it can destroy folk but unless your on a proto amarr assault it'll explode in second or so. everyone thinks modded controllers are the 'WIN' button but they're really not. only gun i found benefit was the boundless combat rifle and it makes iron sight shooting on AR/ACRs more accurate other than that may as well save moeny and just learn to control your firing A second or 2 at 700 DPS is enough to kill most targets, the only exception being higher tanked sentinels. It doesn't matter how quickly it overheats, if your opponent is already dead. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11995	Posted - 2014.07.17 23:56:00 - [71] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I've used a modded controller before with scrambler rifle and it aint really all that good. close range it can destroy folk but unless your on a proto amarr assault it'll explode in second or so. everyone thinks modded controllers are the 'WIN' button but they're really not. only gun i found benefit was the boundless combat rifle and it makes iron sight shooting on AR/ACRs more accurate other than that may as well save moeny and just learn to control your firing A second or 2 at 700 DPS is enough to kill most targets, the only exception being higher tanked sentinels. It doesn't matter how quickly it overheats, if your opponent is already dead. Probably at the cost of your own life though. That seize up mechanism is a killer. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2246	Posted - 2014.07.18 00:00:00 - [72] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Happy Violentime wrote: Please oh wise one explain how a turbo controller can get around the charge up time of the rail rifle, oh and explain how that would also work for the bolt pistol, forge gun, large railgun and railgun installation. I'm waiting with baited breath. A macro controller would only work with the Charge shot of the ScrR because the ScrR also has a semi auto fire mode, the other weapons you mentioned do not. You would simply set the Macro to hold the first button press for how long the ScrR takes to charge around 2 sec I think, then to switch to turbo. You can set a turbo macro to hold the charge up time on the RR then the turbo input keeps it firing with no recoil. Works this way with SCR too.. set the macro to hold input for 1-2 seconds, then lets out a burst of rapid fire turbo. You can even set it so it quits before you overheat. Like I said Macros have been around since computers.. Nothing should be complicated to understand about how to set one. 6 Year olds do 15 skill macros in World of Warcraft that have different timings each skill goes off.. Complex Bots in Videogames that level and gather stuff for you is ran off a series of macros. We can argue ignorance all we want, The fact that a simple Macro negates the entire Recoil Mechanics of DUST 514 is messed up.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11998	Posted - 2014.07.18 00:18:00 - [73] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: http://youtu.be/h4fpctrVSTk first overheat with turbo 2nd without. Interesting..... I can fire faster than your second example.... but when I do I'm not that accurate. Still I'm miles of the turbo. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 20	Posted - 2014.07.18 00:38:00 - [74] - Quote I love the people saying they can get 10+ shots per second period, let alone without overheating. Unless you are using a maxed amarr assault it is impossible. Btw you should go pro. The AVERAGE MLG shots/sec is 7. Thats right 7. And contrary to what many have said, the ScR overheats faster the faster you shoot. It has a heat per shot, not so many seconds before it overheats. I have heard some say they get 12-16 shots per heat cycle on a non amarr assault. I get about 10-12, and thats pretty fast. I do agree though, modded controllers are an issue, especially for the combat rifle. No weapon in dust should have a rof above 7 shots per second. The scr has 9, the combat rifle has 12 (bursts not bullets.) This needs to be fixed.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11998	Posted - 2014.07.18 01:16:00 - [75] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: I love the people saying they can get 10+ shots per second period, let alone without overheating. Unless you are using a maxed amarr assault it is impossible. Btw you should go pro. The AVERAGE MLG shots/sec is 7. Thats right 7. And contrary to what many have said, the ScR overheats faster the faster you shoot. It has a heat per shot, not so many seconds before it overheats. I have heard some say they get 12-16 shots per heat cycle on a non amarr assault. I get about 10-12, and thats pretty fast. I do agree though, modded controllers are an issue, especially for the combat rifle. No weapon in dust should have a rof above 7 shots per second. The scr has 9, the combat rifle has 12 (bursts not bullets.) This needs to be fixed. Heat is not per shot. This was confirmed months ago. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 20	Posted - 2014.07.18 01:19:00 - [76] - Quote True Adamance wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: I love the people saying they can get 10+ shots per second period, let alone without overheating. Unless you are using a maxed amarr assault it is impossible. Btw you should go pro. The AVERAGE MLG shots/sec is 7. Thats right 7. And contrary to what many have said, the ScR overheats faster the faster you shoot. It has a heat per shot, not so many seconds before it overheats. I have heard some say they get 12-16 shots per heat cycle on a non amarr assault. I get about 10-12, and thats pretty fast. I do agree though, modded controllers are an issue, especially for the combat rifle. No weapon in dust should have a rof above 7 shots per second. The scr has 9, the combat rifle has 12 (bursts not bullets.) This needs to be fixed. Heat is not per shot. This was confirmed months ago. Damn, I missed the memo.. so what is it based on?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11999	Posted - 2014.07.18 01:23:00 - [77] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: True Adamance wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: I love the people saying they can get 10+ shots per second period, let alone without overheating. Unless you are using a maxed amarr assault it is impossible. Btw you should go pro. The AVERAGE MLG shots/sec is 7. Thats right 7. And contrary to what many have said, the ScR overheats faster the faster you shoot. It has a heat per shot, not so many seconds before it overheats. I have heard some say they get 12-16 shots per heat cycle on a non amarr assault. I get about 10-12, and thats pretty fast. I do agree though, modded controllers are an issue, especially for the combat rifle. No weapon in dust should have a rof above 7 shots per second. The scr has 9, the combat rifle has 12 (bursts not bullets.) This needs to be fixed. Heat is not per shot. This was confirmed months ago. Damn, I missed the memo.. so what is it based on? Its kind of like the Laser Rifle Basically the gist is the faster you press the bumper the more shots you get before over heat. "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 20	Posted - 2014.07.18 01:30:00 - [78] - Quote Thx for the info TA. I had no clue, I always wondered how modded controllers got by overheating so fast.
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1543	Posted - 2014.07.18 01:38:00 - [79] - Quote B145PH3M3R wrote: True Adamance wrote: B145PH3M3R wrote: I love the people saying they can get 10+ shots per second period, let alone without overheating. Unless you are using a maxed amarr assault it is impossible. Btw you should go pro. The AVERAGE MLG shots/sec is 7. Thats right 7. And contrary to what many have said, the ScR overheats faster the faster you shoot. It has a heat per shot, not so many seconds before it overheats. I have heard some say they get 12-16 shots per heat cycle on a non amarr assault. I get about 10-12, and thats pretty fast. I do agree though, modded controllers are an issue, especially for the combat rifle. No weapon in dust should have a rof above 7 shots per second. The scr has 9, the combat rifle has 12 (bursts not bullets.) This needs to be fixed. Heat is not per shot. This was confirmed months ago. Damn, I missed the memo.. so what is it based on? The question is whether the heat per shot always depends on the charge status of the respective shot or if anything below a certain charge threshold is considered an "uncharged shot" or something. Autofire controllers send a clocked signal of the shortest duration the console will reliably recognize. For all we know this might as well be 1ms or less. I can almost guarantee that a human finger will squeeze the fire button for significantly longer than that. Without some kind of threshold this would mean that human caused shots generally build up more heat than machine triggered ones. Confirming the lack of such a threshold mechanic would completely explain this odd behavior and offer a solution to the heat buildup shenanigans at the same time. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2101	Posted - 2014.07.18 02:11:00 - [80] - Quote I've always wondered: WHY IS HEAT BUILD UP PER SECOND AND NOT PER SHOT "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32

Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1544	Posted - 2014.07.18 02:57:00 - [81] - Quote Harpyja wrote: I've always wondered: WHY IS HEAT BUILD UP PER SECOND AND NOT PER SHOT Well, is it? The UI displays it as an instant heat increase with every shot varying with the amount of charging. Now while I believe True Adamance is right in that the heat build up is not just "per shot" because I faintly remember myself seeing a dev post confirming the SCR heat algo to be a bastardized version of the laser rifle code, it certainly isn't identical to the laser rifle in practice. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5329	Posted - 2014.07.18 02:58:00 - [82] - Quote Victor889 wrote: This kind of blatant use of cheating mechanics is disgusting. I just saw a guy (on my team) using a proto Cal Scout and the advanced ScR, clearly and blatantly using a modded controller, yes I know you can't stop or moderate it but it's just a real shame people feel the need to abuse game mechanics like that. you know who you are. (and in case you don't it was some guy, something about throwing a cat - Prima Galactus I think... bender..) Just one question How can you be Full time Heavy if you are Part time logi. Stealth Storm
Dauth Jenkins Merc-0107 552	Posted - 2014.07.18 09:56:00 - [83] - Quote Aardicus wrote: so is this the new 'thing', run around and spam ScR's? I've seen this fit alot more recently, calscout + ScR. Seems quite effective. so one should just find target and then hit fire as fast as possible? while hip firing I presume? think I'll go buy some militia ScRs and try this out sometime... Yea it works pretty well until they run into a bigger suit running a scrambler who returns the favor... and then they switch to the boundless CR -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
The Eristic Dust 90210 572	Posted - 2014.07.18 10:32:00 - [84] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: Yea it works pretty well until they run into a bigger suit running a scrambler who returns the favor... and then they switch to the boundless CR I can confirm this anecdotally, at least. A squad (I would assume, since they were all running seemingly identical fits) of brick-y Cal scouts with CRWs were annoying the hell out me in an Ambush recently. I'd started out running PlC + Breach ScP on a fully speed-tanked Scout G-1 because fun, but finally spawned my fully slowness-tanked Assault ak.0 with Viziam ScR out of, well, pretty much just spite and instagibbed them a few times. 1200 HP is a real ***** when you have no heat reduction bonus, I guess. Suddenly, they're all shotguns and CRs...and a militia heavy frame with RR. They shotgunned me eventually, but it was still pretty chuckle-worthy. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Dark Taboo 1661	Posted - 2014.07.18 11:09:00 - [85] - Quote Lol, It is almost time again to scratch that Dust Itch with my Scrambler rifle after reading some posts on here :p Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
B145PH3M3R The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 20	Posted - 2014.07.18 11:22:00 - [86] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Lol, It is almost time again to scratch that Dust Itch with my Scrambler rifle after reading some posts on here :p Its no better than it ever was. People just started realizing its potential I guess. Also; CK.0...
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3080	Posted - 2014.07.18 11:33:00 - [87] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Nirwanda Vaughns wrote: I've used a modded controller before with scrambler rifle and it aint really all that good. close range it can destroy folk but unless your on a proto amarr assault it'll explode in second or so. everyone thinks modded controllers are the 'WIN' button but they're really not. only gun i found benefit was the boundless combat rifle and it makes iron sight shooting on AR/ACRs more accurate other than that may as well save moeny and just learn to control your firing A second or 2 at 700 DPS is enough to kill most targets, the only exception being higher tanked sentinels. It doesn't matter how quickly it overheats, if your opponent is already dead. Probably at the cost of your own life though. That seize up mechanism is a killer. Well let's look shall we? The imperial vizam Scrambler Rifle can reach 846 DPS when modded this kills my 700 EHP Proto Suit in about 0.93 seconds, I usually run a SixKin ACR which can manage 420 DPS, assuming my enemy also has 700 EHP I must deal at least 650dmg to him before I die, in order for him to die from overheat. You may notice that is a physical impossibility, even if we say he has 60% accuracy so about 1.20 seconds to kill me, I must still achieve over 100% accuracy to kill him from the overheat. So overheat is onlt a factor in your death with a modded controller if you are a poor shot. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 752	Posted - 2014.07.18 13:54:00 - [88] - Quote that is ofc it you fire long enough for it to seize. players who know how to control thier heat build up are a nightmare to fight. i dont know where people got the idea that you have to fire till it over heats because you simply do not.
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 153	Posted - 2014.07.18 18:07:00 - [89] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: http://youtu.be/h4fpctrVSTk first overheat with turbo 2nd without. Thank you for evidence. So what I'm saying is the guy was just firing full auto, clearly using a modded controller up to the point of almost overheat, letting it cool and then carrying on. The fact that it was so brazen is what annoyed me the most, there was no attempt to hide it, and as per the title, he went 50/0 in that particular match. Part time Logi, Full time heavy.
Victor889 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 153	Posted - 2014.07.18 18:12:00 - [90] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Victor889 wrote: This kind of blatant use of cheating mechanics is disgusting. I just saw a guy (on my team) using a proto Cal Scout and the advanced ScR, clearly and blatantly using a modded controller, yes I know you can't stop or moderate it but it's just a real shame people feel the need to abuse game mechanics like that. you know who you are. (and in case you don't it was some guy, something about throwing a cat - Prima Galactus I think... bender..) Just one question How can you be Full time Heavy if you are Part time logi. Hehe I used to always play heavy, and then changed to logi when needed, like spawn pads/ammo. I mainly use scout now mind so I should probs change that.. Part time Logi, Full time heavy.



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