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FLAY LOCKED
Condotta Rouvenor
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:34:00 -
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I do not know how to use mouse and keyboard and I don't plan to learn. I will stick to what I'm familiar with and controllers are where my strengths lie. However, when Legion is green lit and all is up and running smoothly, will I be at a disadvantage against mouse and keyboard users? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.07.14 03:56:00 -
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To be absolutely honest with you, and I have experience using controllers and Mouse & Keyboard on a single PC when I say this, it's all up to you to decide that for yourself. Some people are just naturally better with the controller even on a PC shooter. The same can be said for those who are naturally better with the M&KB. So I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question.
However, I can't deny the convenience provided by the mouse and keyboard along with the incredible flexibility offered with it. Number wise, a keyboard will always be better than a controller because it has more buttons than the controller. The mouse also offers more than what the stick on a controller offers including the fact that you don't have to hurt your thumb as often compared to a controller.
So maybe you are at a disadvantage just by looking at which is more flexible.
Now let's mix things up a bit here. Let's bring up something that no one has thought of yet. WACOM (or similar) tablets. These are accessories to computers but provide an alternative input method to the controller and mouse. It won't replace the keyboard however. For those of you who don't know, Wacom Tablets are input devices used by digital artists. It allows them to draw on the computer using a special pen that has more functionality and control than that of a mouse. However, it's not really designed for PC shooters at all. It's an art tool after all but it is an alternative that I like to see people debate about in its effectiveness in a FPS setting.
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:25:00 -
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Re wacom: I've tried playing L4D with my intuos 4 for fun. It should be absolutely great for making videos because you can make ridiculously smooth pans but fast arm movements of 20+cm build up so much inertial force that serious game play is pretty much impossible.
So no. For the price of several hundred bucks, they really aren't good gaming peripherals. 
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:11:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Re wacom: I've tried playing L4D with my intuos 4 for fun. It should be absolutely great for making videos because you can make ridiculously smooth pans but fast arm movements of 20+cm build up so much inertial force that serious game play is pretty much impossible. So no. For the price of several hundred bucks, they really aren't good gaming peripherals.
Interesting. I use the Wacom Intuos4 as well although my tablet's pen area a little less than 11 inches so I don't move around as much. Of course it might not be practical for shooters, but it's pretty nifty to have for Eve Online.
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Forlorn Destrier
Havok Dynasty
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:22:00 -
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I will most likely stick with a controller - I never played FPS before Dust because I can't do M/KB
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.14 15:33:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Re wacom: I've tried playing L4D with my intuos 4 for fun. It should be absolutely great for making videos because you can make ridiculously smooth pans but fast arm movements of 20+cm build up so much inertial force that serious game play is pretty much impossible. So no. For the price of several hundred bucks, they really aren't good gaming peripherals. Interesting. I use the Wacom Intuos4 as well although my tablet's pen area a little less than 11 inches so I don't move around as much. Of course it might not be practical for shooters, but it's pretty nifty to have for Eve Online. It indeed is.
I've only tried absolute positioning with L4D. The game felt like using a huge analog stick basically. Great for smooth and fine/tiny movements but once you try to make a quick 180 you're essentially flailing your arm around to get to the edge and back to the center of the tablet in splitseconds.
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:26:00 -
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If you are exceptionally good with a controller, you might do ok. Otherwise, yeah, you'll get destroyed.
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Grizzled Masshole Closed Beta Vet
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Syeven Reed
G0DS AM0NG MEN
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:58:00 -
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McFurious wrote:If you are exceptionally good with a controller, you might do ok. Otherwise, yeah, you'll get destroyed.
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FLAY LOCKED
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 01:37:00 -
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I appreciate the replies. From how things look, I guess picking up a m&kb might be necessary if I want to stay competitive. |
McFurious
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:32:00 -
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FLAY LOCKED wrote:I appreciate the replies. From how things look, I guess picking up a m&kb might be necessary if I want to stay competitive.
You'll get the hang of it. Probably love it after a while. 
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:38:00 -
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You'd do well against anyone who isn't good with a k/b and mouse.
You get much more reaction from smaller, simpler gestures on a k/b and mouse than out of a controller.
If you would like to test it yourself, try planetside 2 or any other game that supports controller and duel a PC gaming vet, you'll get two shotted in the head before you can even react.
Granted though, you'll have no problem vs k/b and mouse newbs.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.07.15 02:40:00 -
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FLAY LOCKED wrote:I appreciate the replies. From how things look, I guess picking up a m&kb might be necessary if I want to stay competitive.
Yes and it may take a while, always set up the buttons to suit you and get an 18 button gaming mouse. I only have to use the keyboard for walking/strafing.
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.16 19:39:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:FLAY LOCKED wrote:I appreciate the replies. From how things look, I guess picking up a m&kb might be necessary if I want to stay competitive. Yes and it may take a while, always set up the buttons to suit you and get an 18 button gaming mouse. I only have to use the keyboard for walking/strafing. I disagree. These 18 button atrocities are called "MMO" mice for a reason. There's no real need for one as an FPS player unless you have a fetish for mapping every weapon and trivial action to the mouse (which there's no need to). I'd even go as far and say that the extra buttons are a distraction when you want to get into m/kb at first.
OP, keep it simple before you are well accustomed with the device and understand your preferences. Also don't let yourself talked into buying some $100+ "gaming" mouse . Any average rodent for half of that (or less) will work just fine and it will take a long time before you can appreciate the "features" of the high end stuff.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.07.16 19:52:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:FLAY LOCKED wrote:I appreciate the replies. From how things look, I guess picking up a m&kb might be necessary if I want to stay competitive. Yes and it may take a while, always set up the buttons to suit you and get an 18 button gaming mouse. I only have to use the keyboard for walking/strafing. I disagree. These 18 button atrocities are called "MMO" mice for a reason. There's no real need for one as an FPS player unless you have a fetish for mapping every weapon and trivial action to the mouse (which there's no need to). I'd even go as far and say that the extra buttons are a distraction when you want to get into m/kb at first. OP, keep it simple before you are well accustomed with the device and understand your preferences. Also don't let yourself talked into buying some $100+ "gaming" mouse . Any average rodent for half of that (or less) will work just fine and it will take a long time before you can appreciate the "features" of the high end stuff.
Yeah I used to think the same though.
My buttons are on the side so I can use my thumb to reload, use, jump or ability. I can also turn my sensitivy up and down like a volume switch. So for example, I turn it down a bit for a sniper.
Nice assumption as well BTW. Been playing fps since they came out, literally.
And the mouse was -ú39.99.
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:11:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Nice assumption as well BTW. Been playing fps since they came out, literally. So I was right that you do have substantial experience and know your preferences very well.
What we're talking about is preference here of course and I wasn't trying to attack yours. I'm just saying that many people get along without the extra buttons very well and that simple 6-8 button mice a have lower learning curve attached to them.
TechMechMeds wrote:And the mouse was -ú39.99. I wasn't referring to your advice but to the manufacturers who, for example, advertise 7200dpi mice as necessary investments when in reality pretty much all users settle with 1000-3000dpi (FPS pros go down to 400 sometimes). As with all gaming products, there's a lot of voodoo going on in their advertisements and one can save hard cash by not "buying" it. Literally.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.07.16 21:15:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Nice assumption as well BTW. Been playing fps since they came out, literally. So I was right that you do have substantial experience and know your preferences very well. What we're talking about is preference here of course and I wasn't trying to attack yours. I'm just saying that many people get along without the extra buttons very well and that simple 6-8 button mice a have lower learning curve attached to them. TechMechMeds wrote:And the mouse was -ú39.99. I wasn't referring to your advice but to the manufacturers who, for example, advertise 7200dpi mice as necessary investments when in reality pretty much all users settle with 1000-3000dpi (FPS pros go down to 400 sometimes). As with all gaming products, there's a lot of voodoo going on in their advertisements and one can save hard cash by not "buying" it. Literally.
Ah fair play.
Its a ridiculous 16,400dpi at max. I don't know why the fk anyone would need that much lol.
I am high, sorry lol.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.19 05:07:00 -
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I actually got around to trying out the Wacom Tablet Pen while playing World of Tanks as an experiment just now. There is a setting in the Wacom Tablet Properties program that comes with every Wacom and I can easily set it to move like a regular mouse instead of a pen. This way, the pen can move the camera around without forcibly jumping back to center every time the pen gets near the center of the Pen Area.
Although you'll need to save at least one profile for the game and make sure you load up the profile before you run the game you want to play. Also, you'll need to adjust the acceleration and speed of cursor because the default settings seems to make the screen move around too fast if you don't tune it down a bit.
Overall, it's doable to use at least in a game like WoT.
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.19 12:29:00 -
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For me - KB/M is like an addiction. To begin with, going from using a controller to the KB/M feels awkward and strange. Over time however you will soon get used to it and then before long, it will feel vastly more comfortable than a controller.
This is just my opinion but I used to only use controllers for games consoles as a kid growing up, I got my first PC in the mid to late 90`s and since then I have never looked back.
For me the controller is much better when operating vehicles, flying, driving games, puzzle/platform games etc... but for FPS games I feel much more at home on the Mouse and Keyboard.
But then again ive been using this setup now since the good old Quake / Unreal / Unreal Tournament days.
P.S
And while you can have some customisation with contollers, the Mouse and Keyboard control option offers SO MUCH choice. So many variations, gaming mouse, custom keyboards, different ergonomics etc....
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SponkSponkSponk
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2014.07.20 03:44:00 -
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tbh you'll probably do better learning MKB in Legion than in Dust.
The lobotomised MKB controls in Dust have basically ruined my mouse aiming in other games. It's like I'm stuck in a ghetto atm.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.20 07:46:00 -
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SponkSponkSponk wrote:tbh you'll probably do better learning MKB in Legion than in Dust.
The lobotomised MKB controls in Dust have basically ruined my mouse aiming in other games. It's like I'm stuck in a ghetto atm.
I was actually thinking of playing Legion one day with the X360 controller first as I have already ordered a third-party wireless receiver for the X360 controller. Just install the necessary driver from Microsoft, plug in the receiver, sync your controller and you're good to go.
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