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KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5272	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:35:00 - [1] - Quote Why exactly is the CAl scout getting a nerf now? EVERYONE is using them? I cant hide from them with a proper fit? Is it OP? NO. Please elaborate why make useless something that is working as intended. You finally have something here CCP.I consider the game is pretty close to balanced TBQH. But you keep scr3wing things up nerfing things without reason while NOT giving the players a RESPEC to use their hard earned SP in something that works and that they want. Give every player with a CAL scout a RESPEC on Cal Light Dropsuits.This is a POOR strategy to sell more boosters BTW. Stealth Storm
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10429	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:38:00 - [2] - Quote Your back? The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5273	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:40:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Your back? MAybe. Depends on what CCP does to the CAL SCOUT. Stealth Storm
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2941	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:40:00 - [4] - Quote This is now a respec thread. +1 for respecs
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5273	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:41:00 - [5] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: This is now a respec thread. +1 for respecs I would prefer the Cal scout to remain untouched. But hey! If they are going to nerf it i might as well ask for a respec no? Stealth Storm
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 532	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:42:00 - [6] - Quote I run a proto Cal Scout....and I love it. But the kid in me wants the nerf so more people will spec into that ***** head shaped Amarr scout for the LOLz Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10429	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:43:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Atiim wrote: Your back? MAybe. Depends on what CCP does to the CAL SCOUT. They're lowering it's Scan Precision and giving it to the Amarr Scout. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1305	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:44:00 - [8] - Quote Amarr scout is soon to be FoTM "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5273	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:45:00 - [9] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: I run a proto Cal Scout....and I love it. But the kid in me wants the nerf so more people will spec into that ***** head shaped Amarr scout for the LOLz I would naturally defend the Amarr. But im not in the mood anymore. I will always support strong E-war suits. Its always been my thing. MAG/BF3+4 i've always been light with E-war equipment. I really wanted to use a CAL scout to detect other scouts and my Gal scout to infiltrate. Guess the dream is going to end soon.... Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5273	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:48:00 - [10] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Amarr scout is soon to be FoTM And after everyone is skilled into it, soon to be Nerfed. CCP, just give us a solid Respec Option and watch as people stop caring about what you nerf/buff. Stealth Storm

Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 85	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:49:00 - [11] - Quote how aboout instead of asking for a respect we make a convincing case on why CalScouts should continue to have precision as a racial trait (considering that the CalScout was marketed as a scout hunter). Personally, I think it would be better if we lost the precision bonus, but had our suit's natural precision scan start at 35 db. That way when all scouts are at lvl 1 only the gallente scout can hide under our scans. From there, if we continue to level up the scout suits, eventually amarr will beat us with their precision, but we can continue to be quite formidable as hunter scouts by stacking precision enhancements. We'll never be able to match galscouts but that's ok because that's how the scouts (and precision enhancers vs profile dampners) were designed but we can still be good scanners if we decide to skill and fit in that direction.
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5273	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:51:00 - [12] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: how aboout instead of asking for a respect we make a convincing case on why CalScouts should continue to have precision as a racial trait (considering that the CalScout was marketed as a scout hunter). Because i started playing again about 3 days ago. I dont know the specifics, and the people who do dont care enough to do so. So i ask for a respec. ; P Stealth Storm
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 175	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:54:00 - [13] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: how aboout instead of asking for a respect we make a convincing case on why CalScouts should continue to have precision as a racial trait (considering that the CalScout was marketed as a scout hunter). Personally, I think it would be better if we lost the precision bonus, but had our suit's natural precision scan start at 35 db. That way when all scouts are at lvl 1 only the gallente scout can hide under our scans. From there, if we continue to level up the scout suits, eventually amarr will beat us with their precision, but we can continue to be quite formidable as hunter scouts by stacking precision enhancements. We'll never be able to match galscouts but that's ok because that's how the scouts (and precision enhancers vs profile dampners) were designed but we can still be good scanners if we decide to skill and fit in that direction. Interesting thought but ultimately the modules need to have the same percentages. Dampening grows exponentially over scanability on top of base stats. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 87	Posted - 2014.07.13 05:02:00 - [14] - Quote Arcturis Vanguard wrote: Zelda Harkinian wrote: how aboout instead of asking for a respect we make a convincing case on why CalScouts should continue to have precision as a racial trait (considering that the CalScout was marketed as a scout hunter). Personally, I think it would be better if we lost the precision bonus, but had our suit's natural precision scan start at 35 db. That way when all scouts are at lvl 1 only the gallente scout can hide under our scans. From there, if we continue to level up the scout suits, eventually amarr will beat us with their precision, but we can continue to be quite formidable as hunter scouts by stacking precision enhancements. We'll never be able to match galscouts but that's ok because that's how the scouts (and precision enhancers vs profile dampners) were designed but we can still be good scanners if we decide to skill and fit in that direction. Interesting thought but ultimately the modules need to have the same percentages. Dampening grows exponentially over scanability on top of base stats. yeah, that's kind of the problem because lets say this did go through, a CalScout would have to devote two slots to counter a scout who is using 1 slot with a complex profile dampner. But Since CalScouts have the highest number of high slots, it allows a Calscout to completely specialize in precision without having to gimp the suit too badly... I don't know. I thought it was kind of a good idea to have us start at 35 db to at least retain some sort of hunter status against other scouts that haven't taken the time to specialize in profile dampening.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1708	Posted - 2014.07.13 05:43:00 - [15] - Quote Wait....I'm confused, you say players should get a respect because CCP is nerfing the call scouts passive scans but then you say passive scans can be removed cause there is no sp investment. My mind....what are you saying? Also I speced cal scout because I wanted a cal scout. Shields fit my play style and I'm caldari through and through. Wanting a respec because they balanced a broken aspect of the game is just silly.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3240	Posted - 2014.07.13 05:52:00 - [16] - Quote It's funny when people feel like Cal scout is the god suit. Only special thing about it was the passive scans.....now it's being passed to the amarr scout and all is well in the world lulz > Check RND out here
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3610	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:13:00 - [17] - Quote I'd rather have range amps for a bonus on the A-scout Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! The eyes of God compelles you!!!
pegasis prime PROTO WOLVES 1782	Posted - 2014.07.13 07:48:00 - [18] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait....I'm confused, you say players should get a respect because CCP is nerfing the call scouts passive scans but then you say passive scans can be removed cause there is no sp investment. My mind....what are you saying? Also I speced cal scout because I wanted a cal scout. Shields fit my play style and I'm caldari through and through. Wanting a respec because they balanced a broken aspect of the game is just silly. He is saying players should get a respec because the bonuses are being removed or changed and thusly not what folks skilled into . He is also suggesting the removal of passive scanning because their is no war point gain involved. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1708	Posted - 2014.07.13 08:17:00 - [19] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait....I'm confused, you say players should get a respect because CCP is nerfing the call scouts passive scans but then you say passive scans can be removed cause there is no sp investment. My mind....what are you saying? Also I speced cal scout because I wanted a cal scout. Shields fit my play style and I'm caldari through and through. Wanting a respec because they balanced a broken aspect of the game is just silly. He is saying players should get a respec because the bonuses are being removed or changed and thusly not what folks skilled into . He is also suggesting the removal of passive scanning because their is no war point gain involved. Still confusing, he's saying he didn't want the bonus changed but the bonus that's being changed was to the passive scans and apparently he doesn't care !much for that so what's the big deal? As far as we know they aren't changing any of the suits stats so its still a cal scout.
calvin b Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 1724	Posted - 2014.07.13 10:22:00 - [20] - Quote The problem is the scout is more assault than scout. Its not supposed to be able to do what it does. To solve this get rid of the cloak and buff assaults. Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique

Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 188	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:04:00 - [21] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Why exactly is the CAl scout getting a nerf now? EVERYONE is using them? I cant hide from them with a proper fit? Is it OP? NO. Please elaborate why make useless something that is working as intended. You finally have something here CCP.I consider the game is pretty close to balanced TBQH. But you keep scr3wing things up nerfing things without reason while NOT giving the players a RESPEC to use their hard earned SP in something that works and that they want. Give every player with a CAL scout a RESPEC on Cal Light Dropsuits.This is a POOR strategy to sell more boosters BTW. -IF THE PROBLEM is Passive scanning, REMOVE IT. We are not getting any SP for it anyways. I also spected for caldari because : It was caldari and i have everything caldari maxed It is/was anti scout scout. Removing this bonus removes the only thing cal scout was done for... Without passive scans, cal is just no role suit. Its like taking away speed and hack speed from minmatar etc. And now CCP (ratata) is being a douche and change bonuses like he want...
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1627	Posted - 2014.07.13 13:47:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Why exactly is the CAl scout getting a nerf now? EVERYONE is using them? I cant hide from them with a proper fit? Is it OP? NO. Please elaborate why make useless something that is working as intended. You finally have something here CCP.I consider the game is pretty close to balanced TBQH. But you keep scr3wing things up nerfing things without reason while NOT giving the players a RESPEC to use their hard earned SP in something that works and that they want. Give every player with a CAL scout a RESPEC on Cal Light Dropsuits.This is a POOR strategy to sell more boosters BTW. -IF THE PROBLEM is Passive scanning, REMOVE IT. We are not getting any SP for it anyways. Don't know if anyone has already covered this. But... Specifics: Cal scouts solo is not the problem. Cal scouts in a group is. They've become the new 360 scanner, but worse. Worse because, unlike active scanners, there's no warning, no cool down, and no way to avoid it outside of very specific fits (in effect, just the Gal scout). Everyone in competitive play is either using the Cal scout as a hyper scanner in a 6 man squad, or the Gal at max dampening to counter it. The Amarr scout continues to lack a defined role and the Minmatar is being sidelined to the point that it is no longer appearing in competitive play. CCP has stats to back it up. Removal of passive scanning has been requested, but is not technically feasible at this time. Check footnotes for hot-fix Charlie. This change is a short term solution while the technical details of removing shared passive scans is worked out, along with implementing module efficacy bonuses to replace the current passive bonuses (also in the footnotes for Charlie). With the expected changes, all scouts will be able to reasonably drop off tac net (2 damps + cloak, or 3 damps), and will all have viable range and precision (though Amarr and Cal will excel). In effect it gives the Amarr scout a worthwhile bonus (and hopefully a worthwhile role), and makes the Minmatar scout viable in competitive play again, while normalising EWAR. It also re-intoduces the Gal logi as the go to battlefield scanner, with all the pro's and con's of active scanning (better range, very high precision, but time limited, alerts the target, and exposes the user). Feel free to ask if you want more info. Knowledge is power
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 188	Posted - 2014.07.13 17:53:00 - [23] - Quote They are taking away caldari role and thats sad. They can take away shared passive scans. But theyre not doing this, instead they mess with bonuses. So caldari will be left to scan mediums? Because every scout can do it. And few meters of scan more, doesnt change much. -~-~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~-~-My CreoDron wont miss any of you
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 79	Posted - 2014.07.13 18:10:00 - [24] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait....I'm confused, you say players should get a respect because CCP is nerfing the call scouts passive scans but then you say passive scans can be removed cause there is no sp investment. My mind....what are you saying? Also I speced cal scout because I wanted a cal scout. Shields fit my play style and I'm caldari through and through. Wanting a respec because they balanced a broken aspect of the game is just silly. i run all complex precision mods in the highslots of my warden "neo ck.o" calscout its kinda squishy but it prevents the invisible death i havent run the numbers to see if i will notice a difference but im only to 3 on the calscout tree i have trouble getting kills with this fit because the slayers i run with are ocd about red dots on the mini map but it makes me oh so happy to see that shimmer with the red arrow over it, and the assist i get even when i start shooting first Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
Henrietta Unknown Sooper Speshul Ponee Fors 290	Posted - 2014.07.13 18:49:00 - [25] - Quote Point is, there is little to back up the Amarr's proposed precision bonus in the lore. The Cal Scout was The Scout Hunter, and by reducing its bonus, simply makes way for more Gk.0's. (Shield scouts are typically easier to kill than armor ones). You're giving the A-1 two advantages: tanking and eWar, plus a decent amount of low slots for speed tanking/cardiac regs. It could very well be the new FOTM. If you really wanted to hunt down the Cal Scouts, note that they are pretty easy to detect. An eWar fitted Gal Scout with damps and precision enhancers can hunt a Cal down. I suggest giving the A-Scout damage resists, similar to those of the Sentinel. Therefore, it can go toe-to-toe with other scouts combat-wise and endure more, but lacks in eWar. Fair enough? Henrietta Reborn
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5278	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:07:00 - [26] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait....I'm confused, you say players should get a respect because CCP is nerfing the call scouts passive scans but then you say passive scans can be removed cause there is no sp investment. My mind....what are you saying? Also I speced cal scout because I wanted a cal scout. Shields fit my play style and I'm caldari through and through. Wanting a respec because they balanced a broken aspect of the game is just silly. He is saying players should get a respec because the bonuses are being removed or changed and thusly not what folks skilled into . He is also suggesting the removal of passive scanning because their is no war point gain involved. Wow someone with a brain. Nice. Stealth Storm
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5278	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:10:00 - [27] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Why exactly is the CAl scout getting a nerf now? EVERYONE is using them? I cant hide from them with a proper fit? Is it OP? NO. Please elaborate why make useless something that is working as intended. You finally have something here CCP.I consider the game is pretty close to balanced TBQH. But you keep scr3wing things up nerfing things without reason while NOT giving the players a RESPEC to use their hard earned SP in something that works and that they want. Give every player with a CAL scout a RESPEC on Cal Light Dropsuits.This is a POOR strategy to sell more boosters BTW. -IF THE PROBLEM is Passive scanning, REMOVE IT. We are not getting any SP for it anyways. I also spected for caldari because : It was caldari and i have everything caldari maxed It is/was anti scout scout. Removing this bonus removes the only thing cal scout was done for... Without passive scans, cal is just no role suit. Its like taking away speed and hack speed from minmatar etc. And now CCP (ratata) is being a douche and change bonuses like he want... Yes.the Role of non profile dampened Scout Hunter/Med frame hunter would stay even without the passive scan. The passive scan is what breaks the game. in a 5 Heavy squad,all of them having the scan of the Cal scout its whats wrong, not the fact the cal scout can track down (almost) any suit. PLUS,in order to effectively run the Cal scout as a powerful Radar, the EHP sacrifice is so much that running around in a proto cal scout with 200+ shields and 87 armor is no surprise. You think its still a lot? how about a 150k+ ISK price per fit going with it...? Stealth Storm
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5996	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:43:00 - [28] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Amarr scout is soon to be FoTM And after everyone is skilled into it, soon to be Nerfed. CCP, just give us a solid Respec Option and watch as people stop caring about what you nerf/buff. Or just choose a suit and freaking stick by it. Min Scout since 1.1. That will NEVER change. How I Imagine I look when running Minmatar Scout PSN: EVL_Elgost105
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5996	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:44:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: pegasis prime wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Wait....I'm confused, you say players should get a respect because CCP is nerfing the call scouts passive scans but then you say passive scans can be removed cause there is no sp investment. My mind....what are you saying? Also I speced cal scout because I wanted a cal scout. Shields fit my play style and I'm caldari through and through. Wanting a respec because they balanced a broken aspect of the game is just silly. He is saying players should get a respec because the bonuses are being removed or changed and thusly not what folks skilled into . He is also suggesting the removal of passive scanning because their is no war point gain involved. Wow someone with a brain. Nice. We wanted Passive Scans gone, CCP said that they can't do that. Removing the OP precision was the next step. Now all scouts can dampen enough to dodge scans. How I Imagine I look when running Minmatar Scout PSN: EVL_Elgost105
KING CHECKMATE Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5278	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:45:00 - [30] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Amarr scout is soon to be FoTM And after everyone is skilled into it, soon to be Nerfed. CCP, just give us a solid Respec Option and watch as people stop caring about what you nerf/buff. Or just choose a suit and freaking stick by it. Min Scout since 1.1. That will NEVER change. Nope.Because im not being blindly loyal to a suit. Im looking for a certain Game style, e-war superiority in this case, and im spending my SP(that equals MY TIME) in order to be in this role. CCP is changing the suit i chose for its role without giving me the option to respec into another suit that now has the role i was looking for in the first place. Stealth Storm



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