An increase in ROF will definitely see a movement back to assaults, at least for me.

Rate of fire modification is bad. The game uses rate of fire to determine a pseudo minimum range to weapons. Low rate of fire is poor at short range, this mechanic is part of what makes the Rail Rifle perform badly in CQC. Increasing the fire rate for weapons would completely throw this mechanic off and make weapons perform too well in ranges that it shouldn't.

Regeneration of Ammo devalues an important role that Logistics perform, and I dont think it really adds much to offense in the way that Assaults should. Its an interesting idea, but I don't think it's good for this application.

when i run ambushes, i never see anyone drop hives. either because they get used up too fast, fluxed, or the guy dies too fast and never gets to use it.

when i run out of ammo, i spend whole matches looking for hives. im not saying ammo regen at hive levels but itd be nice in the same way the 1hp/s was great on min assault when it had it. it also gives it something no other suit gets.

1-5 ammo a second? slow enough that logis are still useful, but enough for an assault with no support, to stay in the fight.

EDIT: why dont i use hives? because i find injectors more useful. like i said, i could die before i need to use a hive, but an injector is always in demand lol

It would, but for the wrong reasons. The goal is to balance the class, not make it the next FotM by breaking TTK.

I'd love to fire my RR as fast as an AR, but that's not going to generate balance.

I actually think the layouts need to be swapped for the Minmatar and Caldari suits so the Caldari can properly shield tank and the Minmatar can run proper lows (kincats, regs, whathaveyou) It's hard to be the versatile race with only 2 slots available to use for the modules that mean the most to versatility.

swap slots. but then reduce the caldari shield delay to 4 seconds. THEN give a 5% per level to cal assault as their assault bonus.

yes

I like the light weapon fitting bonus we have, honestly. Really helps fitting Scramblers, Lasers, Plasma Cannons.

I don't think a ROF bonus would work as an overall Assault bonus, but it might be a nice one for the GalAss. Would need to crunch the numbers, but I don't *think* it would break the AR.

Gal 3-4 Proto, 2% per level RoF bonus to Plasma weapons, 5-7% per level to Armor Rep efficacy

Amarr 2-5 Proto, 5% reduction to Laser heat build up, 2 or 3% per level to Armor Plate efficacy OR x% reduction to Armor Plate speed penalty

Caldari 5-2 Proto, 5-7% increased zoom fidelity on Rail weapons OR 5% less charge up time (though that does affect most snipers and RR charge would need to be increased for it to even be noticeable), 5% efficacy to all shield modules (or maybe just extenders and regs?)

Minmatar 4-3 Proto, 5% Projectile Clip Size (I'd possibly think about the explosive clip buff again, too, but maybe at .6 rounds/level, so it gains 3 at V), maybe 5% to all biotics modules OR 5-7% to all regen modules

I also agree that both Min and Cal need their shield regen rates and delays buffed, though, before any bonuses. Amarr and Gal are *almost* there, imo. Better bonus would go a long way for the Gal, plus maybe a touch more PG.

5% reduction to charge up time would be completely and utterly ******** with a dash of retardation with a cherry on top. it would buff :

bolt pistol (this is a dps increase of 25% at lvl 5)

magsec

rail rifle

nova knives

charge sniper rifle.


id love that bonus. and id also love to get that 5% per level to shield module efficiency too.

though ill warn everyone now... i crunched the numbers last night.

a cal assault with a 5/2 layout and those bonuses would look like this:

3 complex extenders

2 complex energizers

1 complex regulator

1 complex cpu mod

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just over 500 shield hp

105 hp/s recharge

2.08 shield delay

and you get a proto light weapon, sidearm, and either grenades or equipment..


with all extenders youd have almost 700 shields lol. so idk if that should become a thing

The assault class should get the ROF bonus for all assault suits.

Amarr - bonus to laser heat buildup

Caldari - increase to shield regen per level. (let the bonus be one that makes sense for the suit and is useful).

Gallente - increase to armor repair rate per level

Minmatar - increase to number of bullets (same bonus it has now)

so are we looking more towards:

1. better regen for assaults

2. a review of slot layouts

3. bonuses that enhance the "feel" of weapons without necessarily increasing their damage output

4. better racial bonuses for gallente and caldari

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so far these are the things that have come up generally

This actually started in a Logi discussion thread, but it involves Assaults as well.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18i0Z93RGQbZD-_OMwXmYDJk4ORDBml5Xq_2k_4sF8UY/edit?usp=sharing

Thoughts? Its a very rough, preliminary proposal but its a starting point to getting the ball rolling.

This actually started in a Logi discussion thread, but it involves Assaults as well.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18i0Z93RGQbZD-_OMwXmYDJk4ORDBml5Xq_2k_4sF8UY/edit?usp=sharing

Thoughts? Its a very rough, preliminary proposal but its a starting point to getting the ball rolling.

Assault's need to fill the "Light Assault" Function on the battlefield. not the Cal and Gallente Scout.... The Ability to be a fast moving, High damage suit with a little more health then a scout. Something with a more effective indirect damage bonus.. like RoF or something more Racial specific to the class. Basically sacrificing the ability to be "Tanky" for damage and mobility, and eliminating the need for scouts to fit and try and half fill this role.

Where Commandos Fulfill the "Heavy Assault" Role on the battlefield. Having a Straight damage bonus and the ability to be "Tanky" but at the sacrifice of mobility.. They still have an equipment slot alowing them to setup on outside perimeters and be the masters of toe to toe at medium range gun fights.

**P.S.**I think both classes have to be tweaked together or the balance will be off.**

so are we looking more towards:

1. better regen for assaults

2. a review of slot layouts

3. bonuses that enhance the "feel" of weapons without necessarily increasing their damage output

4. better racial bonuses for gallente and caldari

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so far these are the things that have come up generally

"enhance the "feel" of weapons"??? CCP don't waste your time with recoil or kick bonuses....ROF for all assaults

rof doesnt apply equally or logically for all weapons. whats a rof bonus do for Scr and LR for Amarr?

what about the RR and ARR? 5% per level to rof would put the ARR at a 750 rpm and 500 dps with a 100m range lol

suuure. i wish we would get a rof bonus lol

there needs to be a second equipment slot at proto (like in the beta)

For shield assaults:

shield delay needs a huge improvement. Regs are pointless.

shield regen needs a buff (and energisers need to be worth it). E.g. Cal assualt should have better shield regen than the cal scout

For assaults in general:
Most importantly passive scans and precision for assaults needs to be improved - otherwise there will be no reason to shift from the scout. Knowing where people are (cal) or being invisible (gal), combined with speed, is too big a gimme.

LR would be beastly. ScR would be no better than it is now. If we're increasing DPS, do it via raw damage bonuses like commando. Otherwise leave it alone.

there needs to be a second equipment slot at proto (like in the beta)

For shield assaults:

shield delay needs a huge improvement. Regs are pointless.

shield regen needs a buff (and energisers need to be worth it). E.g. Cal assualt should have better shield regen than the cal scout

For assaults in general:
Most importantly passive scans and precision for assaults needs to be improved - otherwise there will be no reason to shift from the scout. Knowing where people are (cal) or being invisible (gal), combined with speed, is too big a gimme.

would a second equipment slot diminish the role for logi support though? i think less people would use them.

about the shield delay for assaults... its already 3 seconds with one reg. 2 seconds with two regs. i like 2 seconds, but i also know that 1 second would preferable. and if cal assault loses its third low then we really wont be able to get even that 2 second delay.

so what do we do? drop base delays to 3 or 4 seconds? it isnt enough on just one low slot when the 2nd low need to be a cpu mod. a bonus to shield mod would do it but only at 5% per level and only if we dropped the delay to 4 seconds.

the question we should ask, is how short of a delay should we get? 1 second delays? 2 seconds always felt fair to me, but ive had mine at 1.6 seconds before too and it was sweet but i couldne get my shield recharge high enough to make it useful.

The scout assaults won't leave because they still have passive scan, cloaks, more speed, two equipment slots, and same dps output as assaults, logis, and heavies when using light weapons.

Scouts need a reduction in firepower. Either by increasing light weapon fitting costs or by removing their light weapon slot

I think removing or nerfing weapons is too far

Yes. they need to improve passive scan and base range. I wont move from Scout Assault if perma scans with range are still a thing