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Varoth Drac
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Posted - 2014.07.09 19:56:00 -
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Stefan Stahl wrote:
How is an Amarr Scout with two high slots supposed to utilize a bonus to scan precision?
With 2 precision mods? Depends on the numbers, but currently there isn't much that can avoid a double precision Cal scout.
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Varoth Drac
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:03:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Why move the precision bonus to amarr? I mean, what does that accomplish?
Not to mention, an amarr scout can use precisions and still keep their tank. There should be a tradeoff. If you're going to give it to someone, give it to a suit where most of their tank is on the high slot side..like the minmatar. Because precision and range on Cal scouts was too strong. Amarr scouts had a terrible bonus.
Precision is good on Amarr because they can only fit 2 precision enhancers preventing their scans from being OP. Whilst they can fit armor with their precision mods they will be more effective capitalising on their scanning advantage by fitting range amps. Not to mention the ever important profile dampeners and kincats.
Range on Cal scouts is still a powerful bonus. It is true that they will probably be stacking shields but with all those highs they do have the option of precise scans if they are willing to commit lots of slots. I suspect some may take the bonus change badly since many will feel their role is changing from scout hunter to scanner which was not why they originally skilled into it. As I said before though, with 4 highs they can get quite good precision.
These changes also help Minmatar scouts who were marginalised in competitive environments by the OP Cal scans.
Hp stacking scouts is likely to always be a thing amongst some players. The main reason this is a problem is because assaults are poor in comparison. Hopefully the charlie assault changes will fix this and many "slayers" will migrate.
The important thing to remember is that this is a minor nerf to Cal scouts, who are currently the main culprit of FOTM slayer assault-scouts (after Gal scouts got a significant nerf in alpha). It is also a very small nerf to Gal scouts and a buff to Amarr scouts, who everybody agreed were poor in comparison to the others. However the Amarr scout bonus will not be as strong as the current Cal scout bonus and nowhere near as powerful as the pre-alpha Gal scout bonus. |
Varoth Drac
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:45:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:You guys make it seem like the suits actually do the shooting lol. Why wouldn't the amarr suit be as strong as the cal scout suit after this bonus?
Also...the precision on amarr is horribad because you shouldnt' be able to use modules to enhance your bonus without giving up something. On Caldari, it's ideal because most of our tank comes from shields. So, it slows cal scouts from using enhancers because it makes the suit gimpy. An amarr gets most of its tank from low slots so they can stack double enhancers (which will be more than enough) and still have most of their health.
I remember the benefit from using a min logi suit before because you could stack damage mods and still stack armor to give you over 700hp of health. You shouldn't be able to do that...it should be a give and a take. Well, the Amarr scout could fit all armor in lows but the point is that won't be as effective as fitting range amp or kincat or damps (or any combination). Even if they fit all armor mods, with two precision mods they will only have fitted 4 out of 6 slots with hp/reps which isn't going to be all that heavily tanked, not if you compare it to mediums with 7 hp mods, or even other scouts with all 6 hp mods. It's not unreasonable to expect scouts to fit some hp.
Another thing, how is an Amarr scout supposed to make use of their precision if they have all armor in lows. They only have a 30m scan range at max skills. Not enough speed to easily flank and get behind close to enemies. No damps means they will probably be scanned, making it easy for enemy scouts to avoid them, even if they did scan enemy scouts the advantage would be lost if the enemy scout also sees them on Tac-net. No range amps limits the scan radius significantly, making it predominantly useful for self defense but not much use defending your squad from low profile attacks.
They could run around shooting people across the map with a rifle, but after charlie you would be better off doing this with an assault. Arguably you'd be better off doing this with a current assault. |
Varoth Drac
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Posted - 2014.07.22 07:23:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Rattati,
Part of the reason why the feedback on the logistics/Assault suits is so divided is because you guys basically threw us a spreadsheet and said "tell us what you think about each individual change""
If you want to make large changes like this all at once do it in separate threads.
There should be an update in between Charlie and Delta that is specifically just for these changes.
For example, 5 different threads:
Assault Slot Layout Changes General Feedback
Gallente Assault Discussion
Caldari Assault Discussion
Minmatar Assault Discussion
Amarr Assault Discussion
Then once we have figured that out we can store those threads away and bring up the logistics.
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Another example:
Please discuss the Caldari Assault changes in this thread
Current stats:
(Insert stats here)
Proposed stats:
(Insert stats here) I think Rattati should have gone with your second option. I think a lot of the confusion about the assault suit changes is because different aspects were in different threads. An assault suit thread detailing the hp increase, fitting increase and slot changes together would have been better. Though I think maybe this should have been one thread about all assaults, since you need to find balance between assaults as well, much like with the scout changes.
Still, it's great we can have these discussions, whatever form they take.
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